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Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
Lose next Sunday and there's no way back for you
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
I wasn’t over the moon with his appointment, and it hasn’t been great, but you’re off your rocker if you think he’s getting sacked any time soon.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
Not a chance he'll get sacked, he's not even had a transfer window yet
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Captain_Sensible
Lose next Sunday and there's no way back for you
Not sure if you’ve chosen the right user name.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
City123
Not a chance he'll get sacked, he's not even had a transfer window yet
Try five windows. He can't surely change the playing style until that time.
He's got to ship out the Warnock style players to buy Warnock style players to play Harris' version of Warnockball yet.
I for one can't wait.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Captain_Sensible
Lose next Sunday and there's no way back for you
Do you actually think that a manager who's record reads W4, D5, L2 and who's team are 4 points off the playoffs is going to get fired if he loses on Sunday?
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Worse than Arsenal TV some of you lot.
Get a grip ffs.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
Swansea will rip our sorry lot apart.
I wouldn't even give Harris another 90 mins to find excuses. Awful appointment and the players don't appear to care.
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Changing the manager all the time isn’t the answer. The players are not good enough. End of story.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Captain_Sensible
Lose next Sunday and there's no way back for you
This doesn't sound like Happy Talk to me :shrug:
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
I think there's every chance that they'll sack him if there are a few more results like this. Reason - this appears to be a serious meltdown rather than a bit of bad luck, and Mr Tan's massive investment could be very quickly reduced to nothing if it continues.
Under the previous management we might have been dissapointed sometimes, but it never looked as if we were in danger of slipping into the third or fourth tiers. Even under RS we ticked along.
At this point though, theyve entirely lost the plot giving away six goals to QPR then just about getting a home draw against a league two team. It's a total Fred Carno's on the field at the moment which I haven't seen for a very long time, and once that happens very urgent and decisive action is required or you'll end up like Sunderland.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
Further to that, a heavy home defeat to Swansea of all teams would bring particular pressure
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
I think there's every chance that they'll sack him if there are a few more results like this. Reason - this appears to be a serious meltdown rather than a bit of bad luck, and Mr Tan's massive investment could be very quickly reduced to nothing if it continues.
Under the previous management we might have been dissapointed sometimes, but it never looked as if we were in danger of slipping into the third or fourth tiers. Even under RS we ticked along.
At this point though, theyve entirely lost the plot giving away six goals to QPR then just about getting a home draw against a league two team. It's a total Fred Carno's on the field at the moment which I haven't seen for a very long time, and once that happens very urgent and decisive action is required or you'll end up like Sunderland.
He has only lost 2 though, few decent results, some disappointing performances, qpr was either a sign or something to come or one of those matches which happen to every club at some point.
The cup game is irrelevant, the result today is on par with our cup results over the last six, seven years.
We aren't challenging the top 6 soon but also no worry of relegation. Very much a slade sort of feeling.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Captain_Sensible
Lose next Sunday and there's no way back for you
Wow.
Just
Wow.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
blueblade
Swansea will rip our sorry lot apart.
I wouldn't even give Harris another 90 mins to find excuses. Awful appointment and the players don't appear to care.
Steady on. We've been patchy at best since November.
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Agree that is unlikely but Trollope only lasted 12 games. In fairness to Harris, his record to date is somewhat better.
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Today’s match day squad showcased over £30m of ‘talent’ brought in by Warnock. If you fancy pointing the finger that’s probably the place to start
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Delbert
Today’s match day squad showcased over £30m of ‘talent’ brought in by Warnock. If you fancy pointing the finger that’s probably the place to start
I wasn't enthused by the appointment of Harris and from what i've seen. i'm still not, although i'm going to refrain from being too critical at the moment. I hope that people can see the damage Warnock has done, the wasted millions on dross for players who were brought in to suit his Anti Football tactics. I hope people can now see that whatever Warnock was trying to do was never going to evolve, it wasn't sustainable, it was and is detrimental.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Changing the manager all the time isn’t the answer. The players are not good enough. End of story.
Changing the manager can be the right answer providing you appoint the right manager. Anyone with any sense can predict how this appointment ends.
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Originally Posted by
Joe Gillis
Changing the manager can be the right answer providing you appoint the right manager. Anyone with any sense can predict how this appointment ends.
Totally agree with this.
See Trollope for the best example.
If given a choice between having Trollope in charge or Harris to take us in the 'new direction' the club are talking of I would have more faith in Trollope producing it. That is how much I rate Harris. Nothing he has achieved up to this point tells me otherwise.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Trigger
He has only lost 2 though, few decent results, some disappointing performances, qpr was either a sign or something to come or one of those matches which happen to every club at some point.
The cup game is irrelevant, the result today is on par with our cup results over the last six, seven years.
We aren't challenging the top 6 soon but also no worry of relegation. Very much a slade sort of feeling.
Not so much the loss of 2 games, but the manner of the QRR loss and following that up with a lucky home draw with Carlisle. He could have lost six games by the odd goal without any danger of the sack, but sometimes unfortunate circumstances coincide and cause a crisis.
SIX goals in a game followed by a draw with a league 2 team are bad enough. The fact that on this form we're likely to be hammered at home by Swansea of all teams must pile the pressure on.
Such a thing could destroy all confidence and open the way to a horrible run which could rapidly become a relegation struggle, and my point is that only a drastic move could halt that.
I certainly don't wish it on Neil Harris, but I can easily see him being the fall guy if it goes that way.
More than anything I can see Mr Tan intervening quickly if it looks as if his investment is losing value
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
Totally agree with this.
See Trollope for the best example.
If given a choice between having Trollope in charge or Harris to take us in the 'new direction' the club are talking of I would have more faith in Trollope producing it. That is how much I rate Harris. Nothing he has achieved up to this point tells me otherwise.
I’m so glad I’ve stopped being reactive to every result. Can’t be healthy.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
Sadly I fear the atmosphere will be ugly next week if we lose, and that will be the point of no return for Harris (with some of our fanbase). A few have been against him from the off because the board set him up with Dalman's stupid comments about wanting to change the direction of the club then went and appointed a non-flashy manager. They should have been honest from the off about what the next managers job needed to be.
But he's not getting sacked regardless of what some drama queens are saying. This squad is ****ing shit, I don't care if some of them were PL last season or that they got promoted, the core of the first 11 is different, key players ageing and some of them play like they don't want to be here. A new manager isn't going to improve that despite some fans pie in the sky dream about us playing good football, it's not happening with this side.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
The current situation is entirely predictable, and is directly related to Warnock's decision not to step down after we got relegated last season. There was absolutes no case that could be made for him to stay on for just one season.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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William Treseder
Not sure if you’ve chosen the right user name.
Damned good reply...
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
Try five windows. He can't surely change the playing style until that time.
He's got to ship out the Warnock style players to buy Warnock style players to play Harris' version of Warnockball yet.
I for one can't wait.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
The current situation is entirely predictable, and is directly related to Warnock's decision not to step down after we got relegated last season. There was absolutes no case that could be made for him to stay on for just one season.
Yes there was, he wanted a ninth promotion and had, seemingly, made up his mind that it would be achieved with a team full of over priced players who would produce Warnockball at a level and intensity never seen before - we got that, but without the belief, spirit and teamwork you'd associate with his better sides..
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Joe Gillis
Changing the manager can be the right answer providing you appoint the right manager. Anyone with any sense can predict how this appointment ends.
Can you tell me who you think would do a better job? As far as I can tell 50% of the fans want passing football and 50% want a return to Warnock-ball but make it more successful, 50% want a longer term plan and 50% aren't going to be patient enough for that, those who want a manager who takes a more possession based style are ignoring that Warnock built a squad primarily based on character rather than technical ability.
Can anyone remind me how Pep did his first season at Man City? Didn't results and style only pick up after second summer window where he could spend a massive whack on two full-backs?
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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the other bob wilson
Yes there was, he wanted a ninth promotion and had, seemingly, made up his mind that it would be achieved with a team full of over priced players who would produce Warnockball at a level and intensity never seen before - we got that, but without the belief, spirit and teamwork you'd associate with his better sides..
There's a skill involved in taking a very good promotion winning team and spending many millions on it to make it significantly worse. It's akin to a government promising in an election that it will put this right and that right, even though it caused those problems to begin with. Surely nobody would fall for that old chestnut....
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Originally Posted by
surge
Can you tell me who you think would do a better job? As far as I can tell 50% of the fans want passing football and 50% want a return to Warnock-ball but make it more successful, 50% want a longer term plan and 50% aren't going to be patient enough for that, those who want a manager who takes a more possession based style are ignoring that Warnock built a squad primarily based on character rather than technical ability.
Can anyone remind me how Pep did his first season at Man City? Didn't results and style only pick up after second summer window where he could spend a massive whack on two full-backs?
Maybe it's the people I talk to, but that's not the impression I get, I'm surprised at how many seem to have just had enough of the sort of stuff Cardiff City have become "renowned" for.
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the other bob wilson
Maybe it's the people I talk to, but that's not the impression I get, I'm surprised at how many seem to have just had enough of the sort of stuff Cardiff City have become "renowned" for.
Who wants to watch that football for however many years? I don't. I'm not sure I've met anybody that does.
50% is beyond stretching it.
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Yes there was, he wanted a ninth promotion and had, seemingly, made up his mind that it would be achieved with a team full of over priced players who would produce Warnockball at a level and intensity never seen before - we got that, but without the belief, spirit and teamwork you'd associate with his better sides..
Even if he got the team promoted he wouldn't be here to manage them. Somebody else would have to step in and try to survive in the PL with a team players they never chose. I don't know how the top brass at the club came to the conclusion that this might be a good idea. And that was the best case scenario!
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Wales-Bales
Even if he got the team promoted he wouldn't be here to manage them. Somebody else would have to step in and try to survive in the PL with a team players they never chose. I don't know how the top brass at the club came to the conclusion that this might be a good idea. And that was the best case scenario!
We appear to be run like a league 1 club, makes me think we’re more likely to end up there
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goats
We appear to be run like a league 1 club, makes me think we’re more likely to end up there
Things will only change if people vote with their wallets. If we go on a dismal run and end up nearer the relegation zone than the play offs by the end of the season, I feel as many as up to ten thousand might not renew their season tickets next year. Especially if we continue to play at home in the extremely poor manner we have. Tan is a businessman first and foremost, and will be horrified at the number of "customers" he will have lost. Then and only then, will he act accordingly.
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Originally Posted by
Mr Soul '68
Things will only change if people vote with their wallets. If we go on a dismal run and end up nearer the relegation zone than the play offs by the end of the season, I feel as many as up to ten thousand might not renew their season tickets next year. Especially if we continue to play at home in the extremely poor manner we have. Tan is a businessman first and foremost, and will be horrified at the number of "customers" he will have lost. Then and only then, will he act accordingly.
What should he be doing? We clearly don't have the players to fast-track a more possession based, technical style so either nothing changes or things change slowly with mixed results until the summer. Some quotes to consider from Wayne Routledge:
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"What he is doing with the club is the right thing to do," Routledge told BBC Sport Wales.
"It's not as easy as picking up a team and saying do this and do that and it works.
"You have managers like Pep Guardiola and Jose Mourinho who can go out and buy £50m, £60m or £70m players and maybe it's a bit easier.
"Here it's different. Sometimes you have to have a bit more patience and realise it's not a short-term process. It's going to be a long-term process but if that process gets you to where you need to be, it's worth sticking with."
Do our fans have the patience required? Some grumble when ball is passed back to the keeper to reset...
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Originally Posted by
surge
Do our fans have the patience required? Some grumble when ball is passed back to the keeper to reset...
Only because we know its going be wellied 70 yards back up the field
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
surge
What should he be doing? We clearly don't have the players to fast-track a more possession based, technical style so either nothing changes or things change slowly with mixed results until the summer. Some quotes to consider from Wayne Routledge:
Do our fans have the patience required? Some grumble when ball is passed back to the keeper to reset...
One thing that did get my goat yesterday was the fact that we still hoofed it up from the back to the forwards, thus bye-passing our midfield. I was kind of hoping, perhaps way too optimistically, that Harris would have been training with the players during the week, to actually play a much more passing route from the defence up to attack considering the lowly position of our opponents. Hoofball is all well and good when you are winning games, but when you are not, it's diabolical and embarrassing to watch
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Re: Harris - you've got 90 minutes to save your job
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Originally Posted by
Mr Soul '68
One thing that did get my goat yesterday was the fact that we still hoofed it up from the back to the forwards, thus bye-passing our midfield.
We all knew when Harris was appointed he was Warnock-lite. He managed that way at Millwall, his only prior managerial experience to date, and there is nothing to suggest he will change that approach at Cardiff. Warnock certainly has a lot to answer for re the unbalanced and pedestrian current squad, but if Harris is given the time to add to/change the squad, I'll be stunned if he significantly deviates from a "let's bypass midfield (other than Tomlin)" approach.