NATALIE ELPHICKE: Asks When will The Left admit this is no refugee crisis... but simply illegal immigration ..
It's a cracking question ..
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NATALIE ELPHICKE: Asks When will The Left admit this is no refugee crisis... but simply illegal immigration ..
It's a cracking question ..
When will the right admit, they have been in power for 13 years and still are no nearer sorting out this problem.
We will take back control of our borders after Brexit they said :hehe:
Oct 2020: Home Secretary Priti Patel says the asylum system is broken.
Oct 2022: Home Secretary Suella Braverman says the asylum system is broken.
Look at these two statements:
"Most of the Channel crossings are economic migrants from Albania"
"75% of asylum applicants are successful." (Home Office stats)
If right-wingers could do maths, they'd spot that something doesn't add up.
Useless right wing nut jobs.
It's a stupid question and idiot fodder, which is why you like it so much.
- 'the left' isn't some homogeneous group who all think the same thing
- anybody who enters the country illegally is an illegal immigrant, they can also be a refugee. The two things are not mutually exclusive
Maybe we could get Natalie Elphicke to stand on the shore and point out the bad ones to immigration officials. She has such a good track record, after all it only took her 25 years to work out her husband was a deviant.
https://www.indy100.com/politics/mp-...n-you-chant-po
Conservative MP Natalie Elphicke was heckled by members of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers union in Dover following the company's decision to fire 800 workers this week.
“You voted for fire and re-hire,” the crowd can be heard saying in the footage, before the chant of “shame on you” started.
Elphicke joined in the chant, not clocking at first that it was aimed at her.
And this is why politicians particularly those in the cabinet need to be very careful with their right wing facist views and language.
https://hopenothate.org.uk/2022/11/0...r-right-links/
The Albanians are slowly but surely taking over ALL the drug markets in this country, and they are notoriously 'effective' at enforcing them. They need manpower, hence all these guys flocking over here. You can guarantee that those 'political refugees' are all bound for some safe drug house, sooner or later.
I would sort it by only allowing asylum seekers only from war torn countries.
And as we seem to see 80 % being young males I'd not give them priority.. in fact I'd like to to process them off shore.
Those men passing would work and not be able to enable full families to follow.
Women and children from established war countries straight in by passing complicated checks.. they would then by full prosssed at a later stage ..
UK has thousands of job vacancies. We need labour. This crisis is Tory manufactured as it’s pretty much the only issue left they can draw any support on.
Reading this thread, they are a long way off admitting it.
The stock argument used until even a week or two ago that people are desperate and fleeing war' has been debunked by the largest group being from Albania - an imperfect country no doubt, but a peaceful european country with a democratically elected socialist government.
The irony is, in turning a blind eye to what in time will (i believe) be seen as mass abuse of the system, they are merely reducing the countries faith in what is a really important process designed to help the most needy. On every level, it's a mess. And yes, the government are in a large part responsible, but at least they acknowledge a problem exists, which is more than many on the other side of the political divide.
A fair point Sludge.
Mine is more that 12,000 Albanians arrived by boat this year compared to 50 in 2020 and 800 in 2021 .
Was clear to anyone that some kind of mass exploitation of the system has been occurring yet people will still hide behind the shield that you can't say anything about the most vulnerable people etc, even when it's people taking the places of the most vulnerable! It's Orwellian!
Hold on a minute, there has been thread after thread where people have given their alternative take on the situation, their reasons (ethical or practical) for not supporting the Rwanda policy and their ideas for how to resolve the illegal migration in the channel (depending on their view of what the problem is). Off the top of my head - increase official routes, work more closely with the French/EU (a few months back our policy seemed to be to blame them), increase staffing/processing speed, bypass lengthy checks when country of origin is known and claim is clearly invalid. You choose to ignore any nuanced take and pretend everybody who doesn't agree exactly with you 'supports the criminal gangs' or is saying that every migrant crossing the channel is a legitimate asylum seeker. In short, you are acting like a child.
To add to that you spend a lot of time telling people they should respect other peoples opinions as not everybody agrees on how to solve a problem. That goes out the window of course when it comes to your own behaviour.
If they obviously have no claim to asylum why can't they just be processed quickly and sent back to their own country? Why is that beyond our government to deliver and why do we have to resort to policies which a) break international law and b) treat every migrant as if they have no claim to asylum and c) obviously won't work. Not expecting an answer.
You need to get a grip.
Tories been in power 12 years, but the problem is the left won't acknowledge it?
Own it tories.
50,000 a year is hardly a crisis, stop being reactionary.
What we should be asking is why it takes a year to process an asylum application or why we house these people in conditions you wouldn't keep a dog?
Whether they are bona fide asylum seekers or just chancers looking for a better life, they are people, and deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.
On R4's today, the CEO of Great Yarmouth council (I think) was presenting her reasons why they are taking the government to court - the government have sequestered two hotels in the touristy areas and we can't have that. Oh no, put them out of sight. What a dippy bitch.
Ah, “lefty lawyers” - the anti growth coalition is still alive and well it seems.
If you care to Google migrants ,life rafts ,channel then select images ,one can see the majority of migrants are young fit men. Not woman and children..
And yes lawyers make a fortune out of this ..
If you lived in that area you'd be well pissed off..
And it's fairly reasonable to assume these young male migrants have past through safe European countries ..
You can also assume the public purse will bulge even further when the relatives join the migrants if they stay ..
It's got to stop we have to think of our own people's needs and welfare first we have many folk who are in need of the very housing health , education financial aid and support that migrants seek and pull on ..
Paying 2 billion a year on asylum seekers is maddness ..
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-b1035392.html
"And yes lawyers make a fortune out of this .."
No they don't.
https://www.checkasalary.co.uk/salar...-rights-lawyer
No thanks.. the ladies of Iran shouldn't run they need to fight as to the Chinese dissidents nothing gained from.fleeing they need to do whats right and protest anyways its one hellva a way in a dingy ....
Good to see Sir Kier Tory go all right Farage at PMQ's today with this quote:
""No one wants open borders on this side of the house.""
At least he's seen the light on how to win back Boris Labour voters , and now admits to people smugglers being the big issue , which suggests these men crossing the channel are not refugees ..
Pointless thread, the country is going to collapse whatever happens, so get out while you can!
In my own words " yes I would proritise folks In need in the UK before the people illegally coming to UK feed , I'd educate , house ,provide health and care to those nearest to us even more so my friends and relatives .. ..well before young male fortune seekers , and yes criminals who only harm genuine asylum seekers..
In the words of Sir Bier we want safe borders "" was that from the UKIP manifesto.??
And I'd like safe passage routes set up in France.. to do the asylum process properly, and France to partner wirh us the reparation of those many young males back to thier country of origins .
If that's right wing so be it .I'd suggest millions would agree , and vote for it .. hence Sir Biers current language as he knows that reflects public opinion.
I've never in my life come across anyone ever saying this. Any of it. Never heard anyone say to stop all immigration. Never heard anyone say people should starve.
This is such a strawman argument, concocted because the real arguments are difficult to counter / argue against perhaps?
Can't say I've read those posts. Most people want managed immigration and for starving people to be fed.
It's not helpful in understanding the issues for extreme examples to be made of it.
No different to taking someone saying they want to renationalise the railways and then implying they want to set up a gulag in Snowdonia.
What planet are you on? Did you not see the amount of people criticising the extra food hungry kids got during the pandemic? Only had to log onto Facebook or the dailymail comments section. 'Why should I pay for others choices', this was extremely common not just one or two people.
They are the exact same people who are losing their shit at asylum seekers. You've really never ever seen anyone say stop immigration?
Delusional and blind.
No I haven't. I don't doubt a small minority say that. Those that do will likely argue that it is a parents responsibility to do this - rightly or wrongly, and that removing that responsibility doesn't help the child. I don't really agree with that but can see the rationale.
What I did see was people on the left claiming that "the govt want to kill hungry kids" Which is clearly inflammatory bollocks.
People aren't losing their shit at asylum seekers. They are angry because it seems there is a mass exploitation of the system from people from a country that is a democratic, peaceful European state. Thats the anger and it's why people ignoring the issue is so dangerous, because the anger that follows is so predictable.