The penny's starting to drop
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The penny's starting to drop
https://twitter.com/LeaveHQ/status/1...265734147?s=20
The pound too.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
That’s made my day.
I remember when all that was called Project Fear.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
They won, I thought they were pleased.
There's gonna be an awful lot of regretful people around who ignored all the facts. And on top of that we're saddled with the worst government in living memory...times are bleak!
Anecdotal, but one "friend" of mine who has been proudly boasting his Brexit vote, and the fact he won, has suddenly started claiming he actually voted to remain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Give it 2 years, and you'll be hard pushed to find anyone who voted for Brexit. It is going to be a cluster****, and straight after a pandemic (or possibly in the midst of one) too.
I agree totally!Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I've yet to hear a coherent argument for voting for this madness. It's usually old farts, talking about a war they never lived in, bemoaning German supremacy that doesn't exist, sitting on comfortable pensions, huge profits on houses, and Gawd Bless the Kween,Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
In reality it is "We had it really good for the last 50 years, we'll be ****ed if you're getting it so easy offspring"
I have yet to speak to a Brexit supporter who didn't show themselves up as anything other than xenophobic, ideological wankers within 2 minutes.
Interesting. I have spoken to dozens if not hundreds of Brexit supporters and very few of them have shown up as you describe. A few, but not many. Maybe I just live in the wrong place?Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
They have all sorts of reasons for voting Brexit - with 1970s opposition to the Common Market and frustration with what they have been told is a global/Brussels elite shafting working class communities at the top of the list. Some also fell for the NHS lie on the side of the bus. Hardly any of them came across as racist or xenophobic, and a lot despised Farage, Gove and Johnson. I would describe most of the Brexiteers I have spoken to in recent years as 'Dennis Skinner Leavers'.
I voted Remain.
I know a lot of business people who voted for Brexit they don't appear as described, old xenophobic, racists, they believe in wanting their own laws, secure border control , freedom of movement stopped ,it doesn't make them evil ,just a different viewpoint ,17 million plus people is a lot, they can't all be as described.
PS I voted to remain, willing to accept democratic decision
You're right. However, I reckon most of them believe that Britain had no power to make its own laws (bollocks), had no control over our borders (bollocks) and probably believed illegal immigrants were better off than UK citizens (more bollocks). Such concerns don't happen overnight. We know Boris Johnson used to invent bullshit about bogus EU legislation when he wrote for a national newspaper. One constant I had with virtually everyone I know who voted leave was that they believed the things I posted above. I spent countless hours debating this on social media, trying to get people to see that what they thought was true was utter horseshit. Sadly, most didn't care if it was true or not, they were on the winning side.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Well the people I know who voted brexit were on the whole xenophobic rule Britannia types but all is not what it sometimes seems
There is a charity in barry that gives advice to people on housing and benefits etc and I met two of their workers at a food bank
These people were working for an organisation that got most of its funding from the EU, including paying the wages of the workers
I was staggered when they said they had voted leave
Turkeys voting for xmas ff sake
They are probably on the dole now
They will blame it on immigrants
I know a lady who lost her job as a result of Brexit. Similar story, it survived on EU funding.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The night that we finally left, another woman I know (early 40s), lives a few doors away, works in the local supermarket. She was on self service and said to me how she was going to have a party. I asked her what she was celebrating and would she be celebrating those who would be out of work or worse off because of Brexit. I mentioned the story about the other lady. Her response was "If she knew she was going to lose her job she should have found another one". I did point out that whoever took over would have been in that position, someone would have lost that job. Her response was that everyone needs to look out for themselves and not to be concerned about others. I asked again what she was celebrating. Freedom was the answer. I shook my head.
I haven't spoken to her since.
Perhaps the ‘a lot of business people’ were annoyed with the employees rights that the EU introduced.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Yes, always a bugger to give employees more rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating because it's interesting and a little surprising - after Millennials, the generation which were most supportive of remain was the one old enough to remember the Second World War, the people who had actually experienced it, as opposed to the rose tinted glasses crowd.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO
I can honestly say I don't know anyone in my personal or working life that carries those traits , are we in danger of lumping all people into a category just because they voted to leave , surely its a mix of things ,not just immigration ,and a lot of them who voted to leave were and are not Tory ??.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
What we also don't know its how other ares are effected /conflicted by the European model , look at Wales who did well from European funding , and has a strong socialist , surely they are not anti immigration or Boris fans ????
well it includes the workers not just the ownersQuote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I also wonder how many of these rights were actually introduced by the EU and how many were invented in order to find some nonsense to blame the EU for. We all know there are countless stupid laws and legislations that don't actually exist, yet some believe the EU foisted on us.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I see that the planned Ineos car factory in Bridgend now appears to be in jeopardy, in favour of an exiting Daimler-Benz one in France.
The main guy in Ineos is a prominent Brexit supporter.
It's amazing how many Brexit supporting Brits are preferring to work overseas.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Hooded Claw
whatever rights we had, it will be a brave government to take them away.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Or a government with a huge majorityQuote:
Originally Posted by TISS
Covid 19 and it’s financial implications may make a perfect cover for an erosion of rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
I voted leave and I still would again.
Which bit are you most looking forward to?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Any reasons?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...t-border-plans
Is it me but I thought they both worked for the same Project Optimism these days