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Petition against 20mph blanket speed limit
Not sure if this has been posted before, but if you're against this proposal, then below is the link to the Change website, where you can register your disapproval. Not sure it will make any difference, but every little helps. Go to the site, complete as required, and log your protest.
https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-we...-wales-by-2023
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Was in Benidorm Mon-Fri just gone, 20kph zones all over, main roads through the town as well. It’s not a local scheme by any means.
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ToTaL ITK
20kph is 12.4 mph tho
That’s what it was, the transfer coach crawled along once we got off the motorway from Alicante.
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splott parker
Was in Benidorm Mon-Fri just gone, 20kph zones all over, main roads through the town as well. It’s not a local scheme by any means.
I'm in Alicante as we speak, no sign of anyone slowing down to 32.187 kilometres per hour
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Thought this was something to do with Aladdin.
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life on mars
I'm in Alicante as we speak, no sign of anyone slowing down to 32.187 kilometres per hour
Nip into Benidorm. 20 signs everywhere.
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Just read on a ‘Benidorm site’, 60 traffic cameras gone up recently as well, with fines ranging from €100 to €600 depending on how much over you’re going.:yikes:
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splott parker
Nip into Benidorm. 20 signs everywhere.
I am tomorrow on the brilliant Tram service ( L4) from Alicante, presume you mean 32.187 KPH.
Not seen any speed restrictions in neighbouring resorts like Torrevieja, Teulada-Moraira, Javea, Calpe, Altea, Denia, Santa Pola, San Juan Player, still hammering around, tooting horns in their dusty cars and scooters.
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life on mars
I am tomorrow on the brilliant Tram service ( L4) from Alicante, presume you mean 32.187 KPH.
Not seen any speed restrictions in neighbouring resorts like Torrevieja, Teulada-Moraira, Javea, Calpe, Altea, Denia, Santa Pola, San Juan Player, still hammering around, tooting horns in their dusty cars and scooters.
No, I mean 20 signs, me and the missus remarked on them, ‘There’s another one, there’s another one’:hehe:
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Currently in France and there's plenty of 30kph roads around through towns and villages. Not such a big deal.
Not sure if this is the same petition, but there's also one doing the rounds organised by the Welsh Conservatives. Ironic really when all but one of their Senedd members voted in favour of it.
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I’m in Normandy at the moment, and all the villages/towns are 20 mph and nearly everyone is sticking to it. I have to say, it doesn’t seem to be too big a problem.
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I don't drive in Cardiff often but wanted to go to Ikea and thought I'd see what it's like driving through constant 20mph zones as far as Upper Boat, so went through Canton, Radyr and Taffs Well, before hitting the A470.
I encountered one car going through Radyr at around 17 mph. If someone doing 27 in a 30 zone is a tad frustrating, 17 in a 20 zone is infinitely worse.
After a while, because I was driving so slowly, my mind was wandering as I didn't feel I needed as much concentration on the road. I started looking at other things as I was driving, something I wouldn't really do at 30. Will driving more slowly cause drivers to lose concentration? I wonder.
At one point I had a slight battle with 2 cyclists, both of which were doing roughly the same speed as me, but out of habit, I wanted to get past them. They had a small cycle lane, so it wasn't as if I was trying to overtake on the other side of the road, but seeing them overtake me at times was more than a bit disconcerting. Drivers will have to be more vigilant of cyclists going faster on the nearside.
I also found that it felt more exhausting trying to stick to 20mph going along long sections of road.
I might be wrong, but I fear this new 20mph limit will cause more accidents as drivers, pedestrians and cyclists get used to it. It'll make some drivers more impatient and make more risks in a bid to get somewhere. It'll mean more cars on our roads as it'll take everyone longer to get somewhere.
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I don’t think doing 20mph is a problem
The problem is c**** who tailgate
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superfeathers
I don’t think doing 20mph is a problem
The problem is c**** who tailgate
Though at 20mph, they're far less of a risk than tossers who tailgate on much faster roads. The numbers of drivers I see totally ignoring the 2 second rule on dual carriageways and motorways is staggering.
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went to Brentford the other day, loads of 20mph streets there too
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Rjk
went to Brentford the other day, loads of 20mph streets there too
Drakefords fault.
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Originally Posted by
tforturton
Not sure if this has been posted before, but if you're against this proposal, then below is the link to the Change website, where you can register your disapproval. Not sure it will make any difference, but every little helps. Go to the site, complete as required, and log your protest.
https://www.change.org/p/stop-the-we...-wales-by-2023
Why are you opposed to it?
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Rjk
went to Brentford the other day, loads of 20mph streets there too
But was it the default speed limit on all roads?
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stevo
Why are you opposed to it?
Because the blanket approach is stupid and clearly hasn't been thought through properly. We've already got bus companies in Wales cutting services because of increased journey times. Delivery drivers are going to be trundling along at 20 mph on empty roads in the early hours of the morning as well.
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I read somewhere the other day that bus and coach companies will have significantly increased maintenance costs because the gearing systems on those vehicles aren't designed for a top speed of 20 mph.
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I don’t think doing 20mph is a problem
The problem is c**** who tailgate
Tailgate at twenty :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
Because the blanket approach is stupid and clearly hasn't been thought through properly. We've already got bus companies in Wales cutting services because of increased journey times. Delivery drivers are going to be trundling along at 20 mph on empty roads in the early hours of the morning as well.
Some of these pensioners love it, they've forgotten what it's like to be busy and the need to get around at a reasonable pace, whats the rush Let's trundle around at 15MPH to be on the safe side no rush!
Again we have a polorising and people splitting Drakeford power crazy decision to argue over!
90% or people are against it, who cares we are doing it anyway!
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LeningradCowboy
I read somewhere the other day that bus and coach companies will have significantly increased maintenance costs because the gearing systems on those vehicles aren't designed for a top speed of 20 mph.
Yes and cut the number of buses because they can't move around quickly enough.
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I don't see a problem with 20mph in estate roads, or around schools.
But Newport Road? other "artery" roads? Stupid.
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bobh
I don't see a problem with 20mph in estate roads, or around schools.
But Newport Road? other "artery" roads? Stupid.
Exactly this.
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It's not a blanket 20mph speed limit. Not even all 30mph roads are dropping to 20mph so I take issue with this misinformation.
I do object to artery roads being lowered apart the parts that pass by schools, care homes and other higher risk areas.
Residents have the right to petition their local Council to have roads left at or reinstated to 30mph. The problem with that approach is when my Council sought views those who wanted more artery roads dropped to 20mph made the most noise and more roads dropped to 20mph.
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
But was it the default speed limit on all roads?
pretty much the same as here, main through roads were not 20, residential areas were
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I don't drive in Cardiff often but wanted to go to Ikea and thought I'd see what it's like driving through constant 20mph zones as far as Upper Boat, so went through Canton, Radyr and Taffs Well, before hitting the A470.
I encountered one car going through Radyr at around 17 mph. If someone doing 27 in a 30 zone is a tad frustrating, 17 in a 20 zone is infinitely worse.
After a while, because I was driving so slowly, my mind was wandering as I didn't feel I needed as much concentration on the road. I started looking at other things as I was driving, something I wouldn't really do at 30. Will driving more slowly cause drivers to lose concentration? I wonder.
At one point I had a slight battle with 2 cyclists, both of which were doing roughly the same speed as me, but out of habit, I wanted to get past them. They had a small cycle lane, so it wasn't as if I was trying to overtake on the other side of the road, but seeing them overtake me at times was more than a bit disconcerting. Drivers will have to be more vigilant of cyclists going faster on the nearside.
I also found that it felt more exhausting trying to stick to 20mph going along long sections of road.
I might be wrong, but I fear this new 20mph limit will cause more accidents as drivers, pedestrians and cyclists get used to it. It'll make some drivers more impatient and make more risks in a bid to get somewhere. It'll mean more cars on our roads as it'll take everyone longer to get somewhere.
Ultimately a car is something that can kill you.
Driving a car should be a real responsibility.
Impatience at 27 mph , looking at other things at 20 battling with cyclists.
Not good.
If you went to say the police and asked them to put this through as an argument I think they are far more likely to take you off the road. 🤣🤣🤣
Saying that I see all the points you make being something plenty of others will do. Its really just bad driving though.
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PontBlue
I do object to artery roads being lowered apart the parts that pass by schools, care homes and other higher risk areas.
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They tried this where I lived in Poland (30kmh) and it became far more dangerous, those who kept to the previous speed limit continued to comply but it noticeably led to a lot more overtaking, especially on zebra crossings. They had to add large speed bumps in as a result. In my 2 mile journey to work, I had to go over 8 bumps each way.
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Des Parrot
They tried this where I lived in Poland (30kmh) and it became far more dangerous, those who kept to the previous speed limit continued to comply but it noticeably led to a lot more overtaking, especially on zebra crossings. They had to add large speed bumps in as a result. In my 2 mile journey to work, I had to go over 8 bumps each way.
Ive seen plenty of overtaking in 20s already. Seriously dangerous. It should be backed up by average speed cameras.
The old road from Treharris to Merthyr is virtually all covered by cameras. Everyone has to stick to the limit.
Without it we are going to see seriously poor and dangerous driving by a significant minority.
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Living in North Cardiff I have come to accept its use sadly it creates other behaviours when folk get onto a larger stretch of road they immediately push onto higher speeds .
There's a lot written about its benefit to the environment and road casualties but no real impact proof.
Reduced speeds can cause excessive engine idling which in my humble view creates as much harmful chemicals, gases and particle pollution, I think the 50mph Newport limit is barmy .
20 mph through heavily built up areas like Ely is a good thing for the elderly, disabled and children .
Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?
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life on mars
Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?
I think thats a fair comment. Care for others not being the no.1 priority. So many impatient , reckless and bad drivers on the road.
Ill be out today and I guarantee I will see more than 1 tw@t with a mobile to their ear.
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Living in North Cardiff I have come to accept its use sadly it creates other behaviours when folk get onto a larger stretch of road they immediately push onto higher speeds .
There's a lot written about its benefit to the environment and road casualties but no real impact proof.
Reduced speeds can cause excessive engine idling which in my humble view creates as much harmful chemicals, gases and particle pollution, I think the 50mph Newport limit is barmy .
20 mph through heavily built up areas like Ely is a good thing for the elderly, disabled and children .
Sadly a lot of road causilties are in deprived areas according to one report I read, suggesting care for others is not always a number one priority for some ?
why on your view does reduced speed Create harmful chemicals and particles?
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
pretty much the same as here, main through roads were not 20, residential areas were
It won't be like that here in a few weeks though.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I don't drive in Cardiff often but wanted to go to Ikea and thought I'd see what it's like driving through constant 20mph zones as far as Upper Boat, so went through Canton, Radyr and Taffs Well, before hitting the A470.
I encountered one car going through Radyr at around 17 mph. If someone doing 27 in a 30 zone is a tad frustrating, 17 in a 20 zone is infinitely worse.
After a while, because I was driving so slowly, my mind was wandering as I didn't feel I needed as much concentration on the road. I started looking at other things as I was driving, something I wouldn't really do at 30. Will driving more slowly cause drivers to lose concentration? I wonder.
At one point I had a slight battle with 2 cyclists, both of which were doing roughly the same speed as me, but out of habit, I wanted to get past them. They had a small cycle lane, so it wasn't as if I was trying to overtake on the other side of the road, but seeing them overtake me at times was more than a bit disconcerting. Drivers will have to be more vigilant of cyclists going faster on the nearside.
I also found that it felt more exhausting trying to stick to 20mph going along long sections of road.
I might be wrong, but I fear this new 20mph limit will cause more accidents as drivers, pedestrians and cyclists get used to it. It'll make some drivers more impatient and make more risks in a bid to get somewhere. It'll mean more cars on our roads as it'll take everyone longer to get somewhere.
What did your mind start to wander about?
Whether we had more corners between 1973 and 1977 in the opening games than we had between 2019 and 2023?
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LeningradCowboy
It won't be like that here in a few weeks though.
yes it will you mentalist
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Father Dougal
What did your mind start to wander about?
Whether we had more corners between 1973 and 1977 in the opening games than we had between 2019 and 2023?
No. That's for the laptop on the dashboard.