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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
I'd stick with the 20 if Drippy retired instead, but signed again.
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It's on 133,000. Quite something for a petition to the senedd.
I heard Lee Waters on the radio yesterday, the day of its launch, and already sounded like he was rowing back on it..saying some roads may go back to 30 etc.
They know theyve messed up tbh
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's on 133,000. Quite something for a petition to the senedd.
I heard Lee Waters on the radio yesterday, the day of its launch, and already sounded like he was rowing back on it..saying some roads may go back to 30 etc.
They know theyve messed up tbh
Their argument is fewer people die if hit at 20mph no shit, why not make it 3mph then and on the motorways too if that's the case?
90% of people are ignoring anyway, it's a waste of money and time.
Motorways to 50 or 40 will be next if they get away with this.
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North Cardiff Blue
Their argument is fewer people die if hit at 20mph no shit, why not make it 3mph then and on the motorways too if that's the case?
90% of people are ignoring anyway, it's a waste of money and time.
Motorways to 50 or 40 will be next if they get away with this.
It wouldn’t be the first time !
In the 70’s, when the fuel crisis was on, motorways were reduced to 50mph, actually I don’t think that’s ever been repealed !!!
I still got my petrol ration book, never got around to using it
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's on 133,000. Quite something for a petition to the senedd.
I heard Lee Waters on the radio yesterday, the day of its launch, and already sounded like he was rowing back on it..saying some roads may go back to 30 etc.
They know theyve messed up tbh
Spent 15 mins just now queuing to get through the lights on allensbank rd by the hospital/ wedal rd. avoid at all costs unless you need a quick Power Nap in the car, in which case not moving at all for 10 mins is perfect. Another great job by cardiff council putting in the bike lane but completely screwing up the lights so now constant engines running and traffic jams all along allensbank rd.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Their argument is fewer people die if hit at 20mph no shit, why not make it 3mph then and on the motorways too if that's the case?
90% of people are ignoring anyway, it's a waste of money and time.
Motorways to 50 or 40 will be next if they get away with this.
They didn’t say how many died in the 30 zones though did they? Just a load of political guff as usual
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Originally Posted by
goats
They didn’t say how many died in the 30 zones though did they? Just a load of political guff as usual
Or, perhaps more importantly, how fast the vehicle was travelling.
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Signed. For what it's worth I'm fully supportive of introducing 20mph in selected spots. But it needs to be the exception.
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goats
They didn’t say how many died in the 30 zones though did they? Just a load of political guff as usual
Some doctors have dismissed this as total codswallop, they say at 30mph, the car will hit a person and the person will bounce off (obviously still injuring themselves)
At 20mph, the car will actually run over the person, squashing them.
Doctors saying this, not me !
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BLUETIT
Some doctors have dismissed this as total codswallop, they say at 30mph, the car will hit a person and the person will bounce off (obviously still injuring themselves)
At 20mph, the car will actually run over the person, squashing them.
Doctors saying this, not me !
the doctors saying this are full of shit.
lots of evidence to show that collisions at 20mph are a lot less dangerous than those at 30, not to Mention the fact that they happen much less frequently
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Some doctors have dismissed this as total codswallop, they say at 30mph, the car will hit a person and the person will bounce off (obviously still injuring themselves)
At 20mph, the car will actually run over the person, squashing them. :hehe::hehe:
Doctors saying this, not me !
Fair play, that cracked me up.
This is a happening all around the country right now in that case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Pr...nnel=MacBarron
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Some doctors have dismissed this as total codswallop, they say at 30mph, the car will hit a person and the person will bounce off (obviously still injuring themselves)
At 20mph, the car will actually run over the person, squashing them.
Doctors saying this, not me !
If the person bounces off the car at 30 then they'll hit the road with greater force, than if they got hit by a car going 20. A couple of broken legs won't kill you, but smacking your head on some tarmac at 30 will.
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The Bloop
If the person bounces off the car at 30 then they'll hit the road with greater force, than if they got hit by a car going 20. A couple of broken legs won't kill you, but smacking your head on some tarmac at 30 will.
This.
One of the things that did stick with me from a speed awareness course was that it's not just the impact you hit someone that hurts them, it's the height you send them to and how much they flip to come down on either their leg or head.
More people aren't getting squashed at 20mph that's one of the most daftest posts i've read on here :hehe:
In terms of the gov "rowing back", I'm pretty sure that this was always the plan. Blanket 20 then councils have more power to individually change certain roads. That seems sensible
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The Bloop
If the person bounces off the car at 30 then they'll hit the road with greater force, than if they got hit by a car going 20. A couple of broken legs won't kill you, but smacking your head on some tarmac at 30 will.
Isn't it better for them not to step into the road at all though?
They don't make the trains travel at 20, because some idiots may want to cross the track before the train comes.
How about the planes are Cardiff airport, shouldn't they try and take off at twenty as if they hit someone on the runway they will be less hurt?
It's a load of bollox and abuse of power!
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North Cardiff Blue
Isn't it better for them not to step into the road at all though?
They don't make the trains travel at 20, because some idiots may want to cross the track before the train comes.
You do know that roads and train tracks are different, right?
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superfeathers
You do know that roads and train tracks are different, right?
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Some doctors have dismissed this as total codswallop, they say at 30mph, the car will hit a person and the person will bounce off (obviously still injuring themselves)
At 20mph, the car will actually run over the person, squashing them.
Doctors saying this, not me !
Don’t know if you are having a laugh, but it was me who quoted that the other day talking to my knowledgeable Doctor next door. Of course I was shot down but that’s par for the course with some….
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superfeathers
This.
One of the things that did stick with me from a speed awareness course was that it's not just the impact you hit someone that hurts them, it's the height you send them to and how much they flip to come down on either their leg or head.
More people aren't getting squashed at 20mph that's one of the most daftest posts i've read on here :hehe:
In terms of the gov "rowing back", I'm pretty sure that this was always the plan. Blanket 20 then councils have more power to individually change certain roads. That seems sensible
Wait until people have points mounting up and fines, then people will really start to kick off
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Isn't it better for them not to step into the road at all though?
They don't make the trains travel at 20, because some idiots may want to cross the track before the train comes.
How about the planes are Cardiff airport, shouldn't they try and take off at twenty as if they hit someone on the runway they will be less hurt?
It's a load of bollox and abuse of power!
Last time I looked there weren't pavements full of pedestrians alongside runways or rail tracks, with vehicles parked up blocking their view.
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30 new cameras set up around cardiff overnight I hear, around the lake, heathwood rd, mainly all the routes I fkn use.:shrug:
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goats
30 new cameras set up around cardiff overnight I hear, around the lake, heathwood rd, mainly all the routes I fkn use.:shrug:
Wait until their insurance premiums go up because of 20mph “SPEEDING TICKETS”, who will love Ducky then
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Apparently the power to choose which roads go back to 30mph lies with the relevant local councils the road belongs to. Maybe pressure on out local councils to revert roads might be a way around it.
Again, probably like lots of others, 20mph zones are a great idea for certain areas, near schools, places with lots of pedestrians etc but for a good 75% it seems bonkers to blanket set it to 20.
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PhyllisStant
Apparently the power to choose which roads go back to 30mph lies with the relevant local councils the road belongs to. Maybe pressure on out local councils to revert roads might be a way around it.
Again, probably like lots of others, 20mph zones are a great idea for certain areas, near schools, places with lots of pedestrians etc but for a good 75% it seems bonkers to blanket set it to 20.
Thornhill, Caerphilly Roads, were like a car park this morning :facepalm:
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BLUETIT
Thornhill, Caerphilly Roads, were like a car park this morning :facepalm:
I ve driven from north Cardiff to splott the last 2 days and it's been basically normal rush hour traffic
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BLUETIT
Thornhill, Caerphilly Roads, were like a car park this morning :facepalm:
In what way? Full of cars driving slowly because there's too many of them on the road, irrespective of what the signs say?
Got to be careful in car parks though as there's pedestrians about, although NCB would probably prefer people not to walk around in car parks.
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Isn’t the whole point that it’s easier to brake and avoid a collision altogether at 20mph?
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I've heard a lot of people saying that they've found a lot more congestion and traffic today and yesterday.
I don't understand why that would be down to people doing 20 rather than 30, but no doubt I'm missing something really obvious?
I haven't noticed it being any different, but if I had, I'd have put it down to the fact that it's pissing down
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superfeathers
You do know that roads and train tracks are different, right?
The logic is the same he's slowing the country's economy down, because if people are hit by moving vehicles at 20mph they are less likely to die, so he could do the same with trains, as I said if you don't step onto the road you won't get hit.
Of course, there will still be the odd drink/drug driver, speed limits won't apply to lawbreakers, but they will still plow off the road and into people and kill them.
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superfeathers
I've heard a lot of people saying that they've found a lot more congestion and traffic today and yesterday.
I don't understand why that would be down to people doing 20 rather than 30, but no doubt I'm missing something really obvious?
I haven't noticed it being any different, but if I had, I'd have put it down to the fact that it's pissing down
That’s true, Cardiff traffic grinds to a halt in the pissing down rain. More people, obviously, take the car. It’s been that way for ever.
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North Cardiff Blue
The logic is the same he's slowing the country's economy down, because if people are hit by moving vehicles at 20mph they are less likely to die, so he could do the same with trains, as I said if you don't step onto the road you won't get hit.
Of course, there will still be the odd drink/drug driver, speed limits won't apply to lawbreakers, but they will still plow off the road and into people and kill them.
Right so just to double check that I'm following you:
1) People regularly need to cross train tracks, they run parallel to everyone's houses, schools, shops and so on
2) People should not cross the road unless they want to get knocked down
that's right?
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I've heard a lot of people saying that they've found a lot more congestion and traffic today and yesterday.
I don't understand why that would be down to people doing 20 rather than 30, but no doubt I'm missing something really obvious?
I haven't noticed it being any different, but if I had, I'd have put it down to the fact that it's pissing down
It suits the argument to blame congestion this week on the new limits, at the same time conveniently ignoring bad weather, and people returning to school and work after the holidays. Poor little Chardonnay can't possibly walk to school in the rain either, so they rather sit in the Caerphilly Rd car park instead aswell.
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I've heard a lot of people saying that they've found a lot more congestion and traffic today and yesterday.
I don't understand why that would be down to people doing 20 rather than 30, but no doubt I'm missing something really obvious?
I haven't noticed it being any different, but if I had, I'd have put it down to the fact that it's pissing down
Could be little things like traffic light synchs not being looked at causing big knock on effects. The whole thing has been pretty poorly thought out.
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splott parker
Isn’t the whole point that it’s easier to brake and avoid a collision altogether at 20mph?
No the whole point is control and gimmicks, that's the excuse, otherwise why not 5mph, there would be less deaths again and it's far safer, or why not make cars illegal, no deaths?
It's nonsense, you know it, if Boris had suggested it you'd have had a heart attack, as it's drippy you're trying to make reasons to defend it.
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superfeathers
Right so just to double check that I'm following you:
1) People regularly need to cross train tracks, they run parallel to everyone's houses, schools, shops and so on
2) People should not cross the road unless they want to get knocked down
that's right?
Two lefty defenders on this thread that's all, all the rest the rest have more brains and sense than to try and defend idiotic ideas.
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I think give it a month and people will be fine with it, it's barely making any difference to 99% of journeys and it will save lives.
it also has some ancillary benefits, it does mean lower pollution, despite what some people have written on here and it also studies have shown it encourages more interactions across roads I e. people in trial areas more often interacted with people and shops across roads in 20mph areas than they did when it was 30mph, where interactions are far more concentrated on immediate neighbours on the same side.
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
I've heard a lot of people saying that they've found a lot more congestion and traffic today and yesterday.
I don't understand why that would be down to people doing 20 rather than 30, but no doubt I'm missing something really obvious?
I haven't noticed it being any different, but if I had, I'd have put it down to the fact that it's pissing down
I did observe yesterday going at 20mph along quite a main road that cars wanting to come out of side roads were finding it more difficult , especially those wanting to cross the traffic, as there were fewer “gaps” with everyone crawling at exactly the same speed, nobody going faster or slower than 20mph . May have been just a coincidence though
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Don Corleone
I did observe yesterday going at 20mph along quite a main road that cars wanting to come out of side roads were finding it more difficult , especially those wanting to cross the traffic, as there were fewer “gaps” with everyone crawling at exactly the same speed, nobody going faster or slower than 20mph . May have been just a coincidence though
that makes no sense
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North Cardiff Blue
Two lefty defenders on this thread that's all, most of the rest have more sense than to try and defend idiotic ideas.
I don't know what being left or right has to do with it, you literally just told me that I shouldn't cross the road if I don't want to get knocked down.
Coming from someone who blames lockdown at every turn, yet I can't go out without you running me over :hehe:
And now it turns out I've got to look out for the bloody trains too!!
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
I did observe yesterday going at 20mph along quite a main road that cars wanting to come out of side roads were finding it more difficult , especially those wanting to cross the traffic, as there were fewer “gaps” with everyone crawling at exactly the same speed, nobody going faster or slower than 20mph . May have been just a coincidence though
i think you just need time to get adjust to it, people just dont like change and blame whoever brought it in :biggrin: