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Werent we strongly linked with him about 10 years ago?
We were, I think maybe we signed Thompson instead.
I'm pretty sure we were linked with ivor pecker
David Badwillie. Good on her for withdrawing sponsorship. Wouldn’t want a known rapist playing for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK
Yes. I'm not sure if Jones tried to sign him around the same time as we ended up with Willo Flood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hilts
Malky had a bid of £2m accepted for him in 2011 as he tried to turn us into Scotland's B team. Think he went somewhere else at the last minute, Rangers maybe? We ended up with Kenny Miller.
Didn't he used to play for Oldham Down Athletic?
Blackburn I thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
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"Denise Clair said she was raped by Goodwillie and another player at a flat in Armadale, West Lothian, in 2011 after a night out in nearby Bathgate.
Both Goodwillie and Dundee United player David Robertson accepted that they had sex with her but maintained it was consensual."
No criminal charges?
Wasn't Ched Evans cleared after admitting consensual sex when the woman claimed rape?
I am not defending him before the usual doo gooder brigade lump on me, but I can't see where he was convicted or admitted to anything?
Jessica Ennis Hill had enough to say about Evans too, nothing after he was cleared though, funnily enough. To my knowledge no apology from her once he was cleared..
He was found guilty in a civil trial. Rape is notoriously difficult to prove and 96% don't make it to criminal trials.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
I'm no fan of ennis, but interested as to why you think Evans deserved an apology. His actions were a disgraceQuote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Bloody Doo Gooder brigade not wanting to shag people pissed out of their heads.
Because he didn't commit rape.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
She babbled on about a rapist being at the club blah blah. Said nothing when he was cleared, as far as I can see.
The fact him and a mate have had sex with a girl at the same time though may not be whatnot call perfect behaviour from a public figure, but its hardly a disgrace, happens in every town and village up and down the country where people have sex with more than one person. Its not just in them xxx videos :thumbup:
He deserved an apology for the way she came out and spoke about him.
I don’t want to go through this for the 1000 time but she was too pissed to walk. He snuck in through the fire escape of a hotel and started shagging her while his mate already was.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
No one thinks the threesome is the bad part of it.
Im not saying whether he’s a rapist or not but I can see why he was charged initially and I can see why people who know the circumstances still think they wouldn’t want him at the club.
so much for Scottish law
Criminal convictions and rape judgment
In June 2008, Goodwillie was convicted of assaulting a man in a Stirling nightclub,[62] and was fined £250.[63]
In September 2009 Goodwillie was arrested after a nightclub doorman was knocked unconscious.[64] Two months later, Goodwillie was convicted of assault and received a £200 fine.[65][66]
In 2012, Goodwillie was convicted of assault for striking John Friel after the latter had launched an unprovoked attack from behind on Goodwillie's teammate Danny Swanson at a late-night takeaway in Glasgow in 2010.[67] He was sentenced to a 12-month probation order and to carry out 80 hours of unpaid work.[67] Friel was ordered to carry out 240 hours of unpaid work for his part in the incident.[67]
Goodwillie and David Robertson, who was then a teammate of Goodwillie, were accused of committing rape in January 2011.[68] Goodwillie was charged with rape, but the Scottish legal authorities decided not to pursue a criminal prosecution.[68] The complainer instead took civil action against Goodwillie and Robertson, whom the judge ruled to be rapists,[68] ordering them to pay £100,000 in compensation.[68] The civil case was judged on the balance of probabilities and did not need corroboration of evidence, unlike in a Scottish criminal case.[68] Goodwillie left his club, Plymouth Argyle, soon after the case concluded.[39] A club statement said that Goodwillie had asked to leave as he was considering an appeal.[39] In November 2017, three appeal judges at the Court of Session upheld the ruling.[69]
Greenwood, Goodwillie, Evans.... they'll be able to put a team together soon.
Sponsored by Predator!Quote:
Originally Posted by tforturton
With Greenwood & Mendy, Strangeways has had a better transfer window than Newcastle United.
I shouldn't but :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Who would have thought that Benjamin Mendy and Mason Greenwood would appear on the same wing together.
rumors' of Ryan Giggs joining up but nothing confirmed yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I mean, a Judge of the Supreme Courts of Scotland said that he raped her, so there's that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
"she was incapable of giving meaningful consent, and that they each raped her"
How you get from that to him deserving an apology I have no idea but I don't really want to get into it because it's pretty f**ked up
The way not to get into it is by not reyplying in the first place :thumbup: we can all live happily after then.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
First Minister of Scotland has stepped in now urging RR to change their stance.
They’ve lost their main sponsor, half the women’s team and the supporters are not happy.
He’s ****ed. Should have just stayed with Clyde.
Just wanted to make sure that you knew you were saying a rapist should have been apologised to by the victim, seems like you did :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
He didn’t say that at all to be fair. You are wide of the mark and just trying to push his buttons.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
He was replying to a post about Jessica Ennis and saying she’d should have apologised to Ched Evans when he was cleared of rape.
Actually it wasn't the woman in the Ched Evans case that claimed she was raped. The female was encouraged to go the police by her friends. The police then said that she was pissed so therefore didn't consent and therefore Evans was charged with rape, and later acquitted on appeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Despite numerous attempts by newspapers to dig up more sexual dirt on Evans, they failed to find any.
Actually I wasn't, genuinely misunderstood but cheers for pointing it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Don't necessarily agree with his sentiment still but I accept I was accusing him of worse so apologies for that @dembe
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
I don’t see how that really changes anything tbh. Not calling him guilty but the behaviour was at best strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by neilw65
Sober waiting for him mate to pick up pissed girls, sneaking in and out of the back door etc.
The video of her falling down outside of the kebab place, I wouldn’t have shagged a girl that pissed when I was pissed let alone stone cold sober.
The mad thing is people on here are only interested in defending him because he’s Welsh.
What Ched Evans? The lad cleared in a court of law?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
A rapist is he?
What do you mean cleared?Quote:
Originally Posted by dembethewarrior
Remember in convictions there are differences between not guilty and innocent. Again I wouldn’t want to say either way but find it crazy how quick people are to white knight him.
Especially with how hard a rape conviction actually is to find enough evidence for.
I wouldn’t be confident enough with the evidence to say he’s completely innocent.
No one should white knight Ched Evans, and I don't think they are, but he was ultimately found not guilty, and missed out on five years or so of his career for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
It's not asking much for the rule of law to be respected, whether you think he should have been found guilty or not - if you weren't in the hotel room or the jury box, it's best to just respect the decision really.
As for Badwillie, as some said above - he should have seen this coming and stayed at Clyde, where he seems to have been doing very well. Taking into account Raith's sponsor, this was always a very likely outcome.
I don’t think anyone is white knighting him but you can’t go around calling someone a rapist when he’s had his conviction quashed in the court of law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
One thing that’s never sat right with me, and I also say this as the father of two daughters, is why does it only seem to be how inebriated the woman is that gets taken into account? What about the man? Why couldn’t they both be too drunk to make a rational decision? If two drunken people get it on why is the man automatically a rapist and the woman the victim?
Why do people keep replying when you don't respond to them?
Evans getting a good reception was one of the low points of the CCS history. It wasn't as if he was a big Welsh hero, he has 13 caps.