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Brains Beer Up For Sale
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
The WAG?
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life on mars
I've not got any sympathy for Brains owners. There has been mo investment in their estate for years and they have either sold off pubs already or converted them to coffee shops(now owned by Cafe Nero).
They will use the pandemic as an excuse. I reality its bad management.
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J R Hartley
The WAG?
Indeed, perhaps he will nationalise them , or would he then close them down :biggrin:
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Former Labour leader
I've not got any sympathy for Brains owners. There has been mo investment in their estate for years and they have either sold off pubs already or converted them to coffee shops(now owned by Cafe Nero).
They will use the pandemic as an excuse. I reality its bad management.
Damn right, I started a thread the other week about them. They’ve got a cheek blaming the WAG and covid etc, they’ve been shutting decent pubs for years, bunch of tosses.
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splott parker
Damn right, I started a thread the other week about them. They’ve got a cheek blaming the WAG and covid etc, they’ve been shutting decent pubs for years, bunch of tosses.
Haven't most breweries been shutting once decent pubs over the last decade?
If they don't make a profit then they shut, people pre covid drank far less in pubs than they once did and there's only so many pub grub type places that are needed.
Post covid it's far worse.
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splott parker
Damn right, I started a thread the other week about them. They’ve got a cheek blaming the WAG and covid etc, they’ve been shutting decent pubs for years, bunch of tosses.
Their pubs are no longer that attractive to the paying public I find there beer awful , the food on offer is not good and over priced, will be intresting to see what Casttell Howell do now as they are their food supplier .
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The UK has moved on from pubs.
Youngsters as a mass don’t really care about going to the pub as much as 40+ do
Cheap alcohol and WhatsApp has offset its biggest selling points
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WJ99mobile
The UK has moved on from pubs.
Youngsters as a mass don’t really care about going to the pub as much as 40+ do
Cheap alcohol and WhatsApp has offset its biggest selling points
The younger generation don't drink as much,either. They're not culturally programmed to sit and drink in a pub like generations before. Pubs were great for the community on plenty of levels, sadly, that side of community is almost gone, especially is the poorer areas of the City. In the more affluent areas there is still a 'Pub culture' although probably not like it was 20 years ago.
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life on mars
Selling them off individually would be good
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life on mars
Their pubs are no longer that attractive to the paying public I find there beer awful , the food on offer is not good and over priced, will be intresting to see what Casttell Howell do now as they are their food supplier .
Castell Howell were hitting big problems a few months ago. Highly geared, dont fancy a lot their chances.
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Tuerto
The younger generation don't drink as much,either. They're not culturally programmed to sit and drink in a pub like generations before. Pubs were great for the community on plenty of levels, sadly, that side of community is almost gone, especially is the poorer areas of the City. In the more affluent areas there is still a 'Pub culture' although probably not like it was 20 years ago.
I know a fella who is getting on now but back in the day he used to help folk buy up pubs , he would always say only buy a pub if you can see lots of burning chimney stacks .
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Horrible beer , throw it in the taff
Pubs have had it anyway , apart from the ones that do good food in the one room and have the boozers in the other
No money in a few old fellas coming in for a couple of pints , bars , cocktails are where the money is now
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Horrible beer , throw it in the taff
Pubs have had it anyway , apart from the ones that do good food in the one room and have the boozers in the other
No money in a few old fellas coming in for a couple of pints , bars , cocktails are where the money is now
I’d say the booze aisle in the supermarket is where the money is now, unfortunately.
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life on mars
Developers with an eye to building on the pub car parks/converting the pubs into houses/flats. Of 9 pubs in our village, 5 have gone for housing. It's the way things are going. A great shame as the concept of "your local" continues to decline.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Horrible beer , throw it in the taff
Pubs have had it anyway , apart from the ones that do good food in the one room and have the boozers in the other
No money in a few old fellas coming in for a couple of pints , bars , cocktails are where the money is now
it's hardly horrible, it's unremarkable at worst.
Otley in pontypridd made some excellent beers and they went out of business a few years ago, brains won't be the last to go in this current climate.
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splott parker
I’d say the booze aisle in the supermarket is where the money is now, unfortunately.
hard Seltzer's will be the next big thing.
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Dear me, shopping online, gambling online, drinking in the house, more and more televised sport, working from home, Just Eat!I’m glad I lived in the era I lived in, we’re heading into a world full of strangers, no bugger will be mixing with anyone else.
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splott parker
Damn right, I started a thread the other week about them. They’ve got a cheek blaming the WAG and covid etc, they’ve been shutting decent pubs for years, bunch of tosses.
They are a business in a declining sector. That hardly makes them 'tosses'
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I find sitting in a pub boring
And drunk people very boring
I would rather sit in a coffee shop
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Isn't Bales place opposite the Castle a Brain's Pub?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I find sitting in a pub boring
And drunk people very boring
I would rather sit in a coffee shop
I like going in the pub occasionally .
I raise you with .....
I cant stand coffee shops .
such an interesting debate.
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Originally Posted by
IanD
Developers with an eye to building on the pub car parks/converting the pubs into houses/flats. Of 9 pubs in our village, 5 have gone for housing. It's the way things are going. A great shame as the concept of "your local" continues to decline.
You had nine pubs... in a village? If you've still got four pubs left, then that sounds reasonable... for a village.
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Jimmy the Jock
I like going in the pub occasionally .
I raise you with .....
I cant stand coffee shops .
such an interesting debate.
I find pub life fascinating.
I find drunk people amusing.
Hate Coffee shops they are so sensible
Interesting debate
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Jimmy the Jock
I like going in the pub occasionally .
I raise you with .....
I cant stand coffee shops .
such an interesting debate.
Exactly the same, you can go out for an evening, take in a few pubs and be out for a good few hours meeting different people, enjoying different venues. Go in a coffee shop, have a coffee, ten minutes tops, so what do you do then? Go to another coffee shop, then another and another, dear God you’d be awake for f*ckin* days with all that caffeine. You’d be skint as well, they’re a right rip off.
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They can’t possibly sell up - We Need Our Brains!!!
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Taunton Blue Genie
They are a business in a declining sector. That hardly makes them 'tosses'
Well I hope they show honesty and say this is the reason for their culling and not play the covid card. In my opinion they’ve accelerated the decline by actually making a lot of their pubs unattractive to punters, then using the inevitable falling sales the reason for turning them into blocks of flats.
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splott parker
Well I hope they show honesty and say this is the reason for their culling and not play the covid card. In my opinion they’ve accelerated the decline by actually making a lot of their pubs unattractive to punters, then using the inevitable falling sales the reason for turning them into blocks of flats.
And making a tidy personal buck .
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splott parker
Exactly the same, you can go out for an evening, take in a few pubs and be out for a good few hours meeting different people, enjoying different venues. Go in a coffee shop, have a coffee, ten minutes tops, so what do you do then? Go to another coffee shop, then another and another, dear God you’d be awake for f*ckin* days with all that caffeine. You’d be skint as well, they’re a right rip off.
And all those damaging sugar's in cake and biscuits, far better off with your real ale , pork scratchings which goes towards yer five a day , you try saying feck it in a Coffee shop , they never got horse racing on either, whats that all about ??
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Bought out by Marston's
Good news for jobs in the short term
Good news for Brains
Good news for Brains beer that will be continue to be sold
Bad news for homogenous **** pubs
Bad news for beer
Won't be surprised if some will be sold off and redeveloped
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
Well I hope they show honesty and say this is the reason for their culling and not play the covid card. In my opinion they’ve accelerated the decline by actually making a lot of their pubs unattractive to punters, then using the inevitable falling sales the reason for turning them into blocks of flats.
Do you think that they deliberately made their pubs unattractive in order to make their business fail in order to sell of the premises as property? And do you think that Covid has not made it far more difficult for pubs to maintain profitability?
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splott parker
Exactly the same, you can go out for an evening, take in a few pubs and be out for a good few hours meeting different people, enjoying different venues. Go in a coffee shop, have a coffee, ten minutes tops, so what do you do then? Go to another coffee shop, then another and another, dear God you’d be awake for f*ckin* days with all that caffeine. You’d be skint as well, they’re a right rip off.
I've found going for a beer in my (now old) local up the road, the boys are generally sat there on their phones. You can't beat a raucous Sunday afternoon session, but these are becoming fewer and farther between. Always manage a good session on a lads trip, can't tell you when the next one will be!
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Brains pubs have just been sold to Marston's.
I hope no employees will lose their jobs.
Brains estate has suffered from a singular lack of investment over many years. I dont know the actual reason for this but can I suggest bad management.
A cursory look at the accounts show the firm as being highly geared and not in a position to survive the pandemic, despite having pocketed large sums from the sale of their coffee shops to Cafe Nero.
Brains tried blaming the WG's response to the pandemic initially. Seems a bit hollow now.
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“...this transaction enables Brains to recapitalise its balance sheet and continue its long heritage as an independent entity, preserving this great Welsh business for generations to come.”
I’m interested to understand more about the future intentions of a local brewing company that doesn’t own any pubs.
The deal was needed "to address Brains' immediate funding requirements".
What are they going to do with the money?
Anyway the CEO blames Drakeford for the demise and as pointed out earlier they take no blame for years of poor management and lack of strategic intent
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light up the darkness
“...this transaction enables Brains to recapitalise its balance sheet and continue its long heritage as an independent entity, preserving this great Welsh business for generations to come.”
I’m interested to understand more about the future intentions of a local brewing company that doesn’t own any pubs.
The deal was needed "to address Brains' immediate funding requirements".
What are they going to do with the money?
Anyway the CEO blames Drakeford for the demise and as pointed out earlier they take no blame for years of poor management and lack of strategic intent
Presumably the pubs will all serve marstons at some point in the near future.
What are Brains going to do then?
Concentrate on cans and bottles?
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WJ99mobile
The UK has moved on from pubs.
Youngsters as a mass don’t really care about going to the pub as much as 40+ do
Cheap alcohol and WhatsApp has offset its biggest selling points
I think you are right, there has been a huge cultural swing away from sitting in pubs. At my age, memories of Brains beers and pubs were the norm until you had 30-40 brands of lager coming on the scene. No difference in taste and freezing cold. Never been my cup of tea ?
Can’t say I know much of Marstons beers but let’s hope the economic impact on Wales and jobs is minimised.
God knows we are getting more than our share of bad news
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Former Labour leader
Brains pubs have just been sold to Marston's.
I hope no employees will lose their jobs.
Brains estate has suffered from a singular lack of investment over many years. I dont know the actual reason for this but can I suggest bad management.
A cursory look at the accounts show the firm as being highly geared and not in a position to survive the pandemic, despite having pocketed large sums from the sale of their coffee shops to Cafe Nero.
Brains tried blaming the WG's response to the pandemic initially. Seems a bit hollow now.
Did they own the site by the river they sold a few years ago? Must have been worth a fortune if they did
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goats
Did they own the site by the river they sold a few years ago? Must have been worth a fortune if they did
Hancock's wasn't it , opposite the glorious In On The River .
Marston's beers in my opinion than Brians , presume they mix both brands ??
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In May 2020, it was announced that subject to competition law and shareholder approval, Marston's would merge its brewing business with Carlsberg UK (the United Kingdom arm of Carlsberg Group), into a joint venture valued at £780m. Marston's will take a 40% stake in the joint venture and receive up to £273m in cash. The deal will involve Marston's six breweries and distribution depots, but not its 1,400 pubs.[16][17] The merger was approved by the Competition and Markets Authority on 9 October 2020. The new brewing company will be headquartered in Wolverhampton and be known as Carlsberg Marston's Brewing Company. It was also announced that the transaction was expected to be completed by the end of October 2020.[18] The same month, the company announced that it will cut over 2,150 jobs (a fifth of their employees) as a result of the strict UK government measures to fight the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic.[19]
From Marston's wiki page.
Looks like they got a wedge of cash by merging its brewing business with Carlsberg UK, laid off a fifth of the workforce and blamed it on the government