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European Superstate Imminent?
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We haven't avoided anything.. yet :hehe:
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Mrs Steve R
We haven't avoided anything.. yet :hehe:
My head can't keep up :hehe:
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Surprising that France seem to be going along with this idea of a German-led super-state, considering they were the most against a 'neutral' Germany in the decades after WW2.
Someone should tell the Germans that the last time they tried to 'spread their influence' across the European continent, it didn't go down too kindly with The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Poland etc etc...they shouldn't really be trying to alienate large swathes of Europe again.
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Wales-Bales
My head can't keep up :hehe:
I wonder how many of the remain voters would want to remain in that? not sure I really want the answer tbh :hehe:
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Mrs Steve R
I wonder how many of the remain voters would want to remain in that? not sure I really want the answer tbh :hehe:
As long as the young people can live and work in Europe who cares about any consequences :thumbup:
Personally, I can't seeing this being true, surely the people in charge are not that mad :hehe:
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Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein EU...
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Wales-Bales
As long as the young people can live and work in Europe who cares about any consequences :thumbup:
Personally, I can't seeing this being true, surely the people in charge are not that mad :hehe:
Aren't they? I think you already know the answer to that. :hehe:
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Ainsley Harriott
Surprising that France seem to be going along with this idea of a German-led super-state, considering they were the most against a 'neutral' Germany in the decades after WW2.
Someone should tell the Germans that the last time they tried to 'spread their influence' across the European continent, it didn't go down too kindly with The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Poland etc etc...they shouldn't really be trying to alienate large swathes of Europe again.
Not forgetting that much of Germany's current wealth has grown from assets of Jews and occupied countries in the ealy 40s.
Maybe their finances aren't all they're thought to be so they need to top them up.
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Mrs Steve R
Aren't they? I think you already know the answer to that. :hehe:
I shall believe it when I read it in the Telegraph or the Guardian :glasses:
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Surely this should be huge news and not only be reported by the express and the mail though?
This sounds like it should be breaking news on the bbc and Sky and all the other dailies, but it isn't even mentioned.
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If there was an option on the referendum for deeper integration into Europe then I would have voted for that. I don't think it is a bad thing at all.
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Yeah I'm not sure what the fuss is about either, what are thé negatives?
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Croesy Blue
Surely this should be huge news and not only be reported by the express and the mail though?
This sounds like it should be breaking news on the bbc and Sky and all the other dailies, but it isn't even mentioned.
Here is the plan as reported by Reuters and Bloomberg:
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articl...ut-the-eu-does
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-br...-idUSKCN0ZC0BQ
Maybe the BBC isn't as impartial as you'd fantasised?
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Croesy Blue
Yeah I'm not sure what the fuss is about either, what are thé negatives?
Imagine having your national budget decided in Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels. Ask a Greek how they feel about that...
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severncity
Imagine having your national budget decided in Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels. Ask a Greek how they feel about that...
I just asked a Greek and he said "better than having the budget decided by the crooks in Athens"
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severncity
Imagine having your national budget decided in Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels. Ask a Greek how they feel about that...
They seem to care a lot more about the poorer areas than our lot.
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severncity
I don't think the bbc is impartial, I think it's leans towards whoever the current government.
You seem a very hate filled man, I can't believe they let you teach kids.
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severncity
Imagine having your national budget decided in Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels. Ask a Greek how they feel about that...
I asked a Greek and they said when you join don't hire expensive American accountants to lie about your countries financial state then you won't be allowed to join the Euro and go bust because of your ridiculous wellfair system and old population.
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I asked a Greek and he said hello everybodies peeps, innit.
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Croesy Blue
I don't think the bbc is impartial, I think it's leans towards whoever the current government.
You seem a very hate filled man, I can't believe they let you teach kids.
What hate are you referring to? You are the only person expressing hatred.
Please back up your assertion by quoting a single instance where I've expressed any hatred whatsoever.
If you look back through my posts you will see I am a Hillsborough survivor - I was on the Leppings Lane Terrace. Despite some awful posts by some of the forumers regarding the disaster I didn't express any hatred towards them.
You are hate-filled in comparison to me.
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Wales-Bales
As long as the young people can live and work in Europe who cares about any consequences :thumbup:
Personally, I can't seeing this being true, surely the people in charge are not that mad :hehe:
Can't we what being true? The idea if a single state has been pushed my some for years now. They will use brexit as a chance to push it further.
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The conspiracies on the Germans are coming true. As soon as this deal is pushed through Merkel will take off the mask and reveal herself as a wrinkled Adolf Hitler. Then the vast army Of Nazi soldiers who have been hiding in the Arctic will make their way south.
The Germans just can't help themselves, played the long game though fairplay.
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Wales-Bales
As long as the young people can live and work in Europe who cares about any consequences :thumbup:
Personally, I can't seeing this being true, surely the people in charge are not that mad :hehe:
What's mad about it?
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The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan
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ian gibson
The Coudenhove-Kalergi plan
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severncity
Imagine having your national budget decided in Berlin, Frankfurt and Brussels. Ask a Greek how they feel about that...
Yeah haha, imagine having your budget decided in a foreign country. How embarrassing would that be... Oh.. Wait..
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tommy31
Yeah haha, imagine having your budget decided in a foreign country. How embarrassing would that be... Oh.. Wait..
I am a member of Plaid Cymru - I have been for years - and I voted leave. The party has been infiltrated by Brussels sympathisers. Why do you think that being ruled from Brussels would be any better than being ruled from London?
By the way, according to Lord Ashcroft's poll, a majority of Plaid voters chose Leave. Look at Table 7, Question 6 on page 26 of this link:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-cont...l-tables-1.pdf
In fact, here's the evidence to save you looking:
Attachment 524
Leanne is in shock. She knows she has no mandate. Get away from the echo-chamber and groupthink fascism of social media and you'll find that a majority of Wales' population wanted to leave the corrupt EU.
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severncity
I am a member of Plaid Cymru - I have been for years - and I voted leave. The party has been infiltrated by Brussels sympathisers. Why do you think that being ruled from Brussels would be any better than being ruled from London?
By the way, according to Lord Ashcroft's poll, a majority of Plaid voters chose Leave. Look at Table 7, Question 6 on page 26 of this link:
http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-cont...l-tables-1.pdf
In fact, here's the evidence to save you looking:
Attachment 524
Leanne is in shock. She knows she has no mandate. Get away from the echo-chamber and groupthink fascism of social media and you'll find that a majority of Wales' population wanted to leave the corrupt EU.
Generally speaking, the EU has been a lot better to Wales than the UK. That's why I think we were better within. Not to mention that the only thing that'll change will be our influence on the house, the payments and freedom of movement will be the same. I think the people have been sold a lie. It's a shame we couldn't see it before Thursday though.
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Rjk
What's mad about it?
Our armed forces under the control of Germany/Brussels and joining the Euro for a start, not to mention complete political integration. If it happens, it's no longer just a common market for goods is it?
Furthermore, if it is true then Cameron, Obama, IMF, Merkel, Hollande, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc,. must have known about this when they were all imploring us to remain, yet nobody thought to mention it?
You might think it will be fun to live under a globalist government with all local cultures destroyed, but I'm afraid I don't share you opinion. It's clearly a battle between national identity and globalism, and I'm not for the destruction of nation states.
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Wales-Bales
Our armed forces under the control of Germany/Brussels and joining the Euro for a start, not to mention complete political integration. If it happens, it's no longer just a common market for goods is it?
Furthermore, if it is true then Cameron, Obama, IMF, Merkel, Hollande, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, etc,. must have known about this when they were all imploring us to remain, yet nobody thought to mention it?
You might think it will be fun to live under a globalist government with all local cultures destroyed, but I'm afraid I don't share you opinion. It's clearly a battle between national identity and globalism, and I'm not for the destruction of nation states.
Armed forces are a very good thing to commonise- for us to have trident is very expensive, if Europe paid for it it would be very affordable.
Even if any of the above list of people were aware of further integration (and some of them probably weren't) there is nothing to say this would apply to the uk. Britain has an opt out remember. And a veto.
I think it would be good to live under a global government. And don't accept that local cultures wouldn't be able to survive.
The nation state as a concept is outdated. There are far more efficient ways to organise our societies.
What positive things have come from nationalism?
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Rjk
Armed forces are a very good thing to commonise- for us to have trident is very expensive, if Europe paid for it it would be very affordable.
So Argentina invade the Falklands again, we then have to go and ask the EU ( who control the armed forces ) if we can go and take the Falklands back, they call a meeting and vote on it and come back to us and say " no go, little old UK, we wouldnt want to upset any trade routes with the south Americans "
Oh sorry Falklands, you are on your own now, cheerio :wave:
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blue matt
So Argentina invade the Falklands again, we then have to go and ask the EU ( who control the armed forces ) if we can go and take the Falklands back, they call a meeting and vote on it and come back to us and say " no go, little old UK, we wouldnt want to upset any trade routes with the south Americans "
Oh sorry Falklands, you are on your own now, cheerio :wave:
I can't help thinking that's the sort of thing that might get agreed in advance.
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Colonel Cærdiffi
I can't help thinking that's the sort of thing that might get agreed in advance.
you would hope so, but lets be honest, would you trust a politician in Brussels ? ? ? ( or anywhere for that matter )
the thought of upsetting a trade route would be bigger that any agreement, and what could we do about it, send a PM to strike a deal ? ? ?
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blue matt
So Argentina invade the Falklands again, we then have to go and ask the EU ( who control the armed forces ) if we can go and take the Falklands back, they call a meeting and vote on it and come back to us and say " no go, little old UK, we wouldnt want to upset any trade routes with the south Americans "
Oh sorry Falklands, you are on your own now, cheerio :wave:
Yes, the national interest becomes obsolete.
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blue matt
you would hope so, but lets be honest, would you trust a politician in Brussels ? ? ? ( or anywhere for that matter )
the thought of upsetting a trade route would be bigger that any agreement, and what could we do about it, send a PM to strike a deal ? ? ?
Leaving the EU probably has a bigger effect on the day to day lives of most British people than us losing the Falklands.
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blue matt
So Argentina invade the Falklands again, we then have to go and ask the EU ( who control the armed forces ) if we can go and take the Falklands back, they call a meeting and vote on it and come back to us and say " no go, little old UK, we wouldnt want to upset any trade routes with the south Americans "
Oh sorry Falklands, you are on your own now, cheerio :wave:
Presumably us and all of the other nations would want firm guarantees on what would happen in the event of things like that happening before they joined.
France has a lot of overseas territories too, I can't see them agreeing to anything they thought would prevent themselves from defending it.
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lardy
Leaving the EU probably has a bigger effect on the day to day lives of most British people than us losing the Falklands.
oh thats ok then, just the answer i would expect from you
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Rjk
Presumably us and all of the other nations would want firm guarantees on what would happen in the event of things like that happening before they joined.
France has a lot of overseas territories too, I can't see them agreeing to anything they thought would prevent themselves from defending it.
The point being would you trust Brussels ( or Berlin ) to keep to these agreements ?? ? especially if other countries voted on the matter and wanted trade deals / routes with certain countries
A shared EU armed force is not for me thanks