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23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
As long as we are chained to the loons in Westminster it will always be the same.
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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Dave Blue
As long as we are chained to the loons in Westminster it will always be the same.
I thought Wales was solely responsible for its health service , no Westminster assistance?
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TWGL1
I thought Wales was solely responsible for its health service , no Westminster assistance?
If you don’t understand how the uk finances work then don’t post.
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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Dave Blue
If you don’t understand how the uk finances work then don’t post.
I was correcting you if you don’t understand don’t post
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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Dave Blue
If you don’t understand how the uk finances work then don’t post.
And if you don't understand that pouring more money into a broken system won't help it, then you are part of the problem.
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It’s sufficiently funded , just allocated in the wrong areas
Free prescription services in wales costs close to £700m
https://gov.wales/prescriptions-wale...arch-2021-html
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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TWGL1
I thought Wales was solely responsible for its health service , no Westminster assistance?
No that's incorrect
If you give 50 quid to a mate to build a wall but he needs 300 quid to do it then he's going to build a shit wall
Wales needs more cash due to its industrial past and prevalence of long term illness
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lisvaneblue
And if you don't understand that pouring more money into a broken system won't help it, then you are part of the problem.
Is that applicable to over the border ? 🤔
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TWGL1
You think it's sufficiently funded ?
Is that your view or the experts ? 🤔
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Is that applicable to over the border ?
UK wide
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You think it's sufficiently funded ?
Is that your view or the experts ?
Have a look at the prescription data link...1.5m prescriptions for aspirin, 1.2m for paracetamol...Gps should not be prescribing this stuff they should be sending people to the local pharmacy for it. But with no prescription charges people want it for free. BUT.. the cost is huge. Your local pharmacy gets paid about £1 for dispensing the aspirin, plus a relatively good ingredient cost, plus an allowance for a container.....what a waste of money.
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lisvaneblue
UK wide
So this post should be critiquing the funding and management of the NHS England land, Scotland, Wales, NI ?
Well thats a different thing as if you feel the NHS is in the shit uk wide and you feel the answer is not more money but more reorganisation then who is going to offer you that ?
Liz Truss ?
Mr Jeremy Cnut who attacked the NHS last time he was health Secretary?
Good luck with that
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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lisvaneblue
Have a look at the prescription data link...1.5m prescriptions for aspirin, 1.2m for paracetamol...Gps should not be prescribing this stuff they should be sending people to the local pharmacy for it. But with no prescription charges people want it for free. BUT.. the cost is huge. Your local pharmacy gets paid about £1 for dispensing the aspirin, plus a relatively good ingredient cost, plus an allowance for a container.....what a waste of money.
The arguement those that support free prescriptions is that taking everything into consideration the chronic health problems of Wales mean people will take their medication if its provided for free ......and less people are bothering the doctors and hospitals with illnes
The situation is not as easy to resolve as you think imo
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
So this post should be critiquing the funding and management of the NHS England land, Scotland, Wales, NI ?
Well thats a different thing as if you feel the NHS is in the shit uk wide and you feel the answer is not more money but more reorganisation then who is going to offer you that ?
Liz Truss ?
Mr Jeremy Cnut who attacked the NHS last time he was health Secretary?
Good luck with that
~Unfortunately Wales is the worse of the home nations and it's been managed by the same party for over 20 years. The easy answer is that they are putting more money into this into that or that the issue is lack of money. Try going into A&E at UHW ..it's a disgrace...patients cant even get a cup of water.
I went for a an annual OP checkup recently and asked to make another appt for 12 months time. Do you want a reminder letter they said...No a text will do I replied. Oh we are just getting funding to allow us to send text they said. I asked why when I already get text about covid jabs from `Cardiff and Vale...Oh we are not allowed to use that system....
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The arguement those that support free prescriptions is that taking everything into consideration the chronic health problems of Wales mean people will take their medication if its provided for free ......and less people are bothering the doctors and hospitals with illnes
The situation is not as easy to resolve as you think imo
You've got a good imagination if the think that argument is valid. Where's the evidence to say if it's free you're more likely to take it.
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lisvaneblue
~Unfortunately Wales is the worse of the home nations and it's been managed by the same party for over 20 years. The easy answer is that they are putting more money into this into that or that the issue is lack of money. Try going into A&E at UHW ..it's a disgrace...patients cant even get a cup of water.
I went for a an annual OP checkup recently and asked to make another appt for 12 months time. Do you want a reminder letter they said...No a text will do I replied. Oh we are just getting funding to allow us to send text they said. I asked why when I already get text about covid jabs from `Cardiff and Vale...Oh we are not allowed to use that system....
Well daft procedures are not going to be just evident in Cardiff or Wales or England
In the same way that ambulances are a problem in Wales they are a problem in England
Social care is poor all over the UK......and that's because the conservatives privatised it all . The shame of Blair was that he did nothing about this .
Wales is behind on performance and targets but the Tories accuse Labour in Wales of being defensive without realising these problems are as you say uk wide .
I find drakeford annoying and would like to see the back of him but unless there is root and branch reform of the NHS and sensible budgets ......and it will be because of the Truss episode that cuts to Wales will be made ......we are not going anywhere
I enjoyed seeing RT Davies on the end of a leathering , he's a wealthy farmer using the NHS for votes .
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lisvaneblue
You've got a good imagination if the think that argument is valid. Where's the evidence to say if it's free you're more likely to take it.
Well it's not my arguement , it's the arguement that has been used for years
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well daft procedures are not going to be just evident in Cardiff or Wales or England
In the same way that ambulances are a problem in Wales they are a problem in England
Social care is poor all over the UK......and that's because the conservatives privatised it all . The shame of Blair was that he did nothing about this .
Wales is behind on performance and targets but the Tories accuse Labour in Wales of being defensive without realising these problems are as you say uk wide .
I find drakeford annoying and would like to see the back of him but unless there is root and branch reform of the NHS and sensible budgets ......and it will be because of the Truss episode that cuts to Wales will be made ......we are not going anywhere
I enjoyed seeing RT Davies on the end of a leathering , he's a wealthy farmer using the NHS for votes .
Fakeford lost it , he didn’t come out of that exchange very well.
Fakeford is not exactly poor for balance
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lisvaneblue
You've got a good imagination if the think that argument is valid. Where's the evidence to say if it's free you're more likely to take it.
Have a read of that
I am sure the reason is by people taking their medication as prescribed and paid for the spend less time in the doctors chair
BBC News - Free prescriptions 'saving Welsh NHS money for 10 years'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39457033
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well it's not my arguement , it's the arguement that has been used for years
The argument is not as you say...It was that people may get not all their medicines dispensed if they had to pay for each item, or even might not take the prescription to the chemist.
There is some validity in that. However even in England most people get free prescriptions..I think it's over 85%. Those that pay tend to be younger adults with no chronic illness and not on benefits...the sort they you would say should be paying anyhow.
What is not acceptable in Wales is turning up at the doctors for a prescription for paracetamol because its free.
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TWGL1
Fakeford lost it , he didn’t come out of that exchange very well.
Fakeford is not exactly poor for balance
Fakeford , Dripford
Dear oh Dear
I thought it was good to see some passion, rt Davies is a pompous tory
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Fakeford , Dripford
Dear oh Dear
I thought it was good to see some passion, rt Davies is a pompous tory
Tory Scum is a term often used by you , dear oh dear
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Have a read of that
I am sure the reason is by people taking their medication as prescribed and paid for the spend less time in the doctors chair
BBC News - Free prescriptions 'saving Welsh NHS money for 10 years'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-39457033
That's Vaughan Gethin trying to justify it..without credible evidence. There is another school which says if free people don't appreciate it and waste it.
Point is a pack of paracetamol 40p...same pack on prescription dispensed by the chemist £2-£3 cost to NHS
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lisvaneblue
That's Vaughan Gethin trying to justify it..without credible evidence.
Well have a look into the subject and post what you find as all we have is your word
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TWGL1
Tory Scum is a term often used by you , dear oh dear
I am consistent , you try to pretend you are open minded but you are a raving conservative which is worse
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well have a look into the subject and post what you find as all we have is your word
Ive a very good knowledge of the NHS prescription costs and associated data, drug costs, pharmacy reimbursement costs, and outcome data. A lot better I dare say then you or Vaughan Gethin.
And underneath all this surely you can see that the NHS in Wales is a a nothing to be proud of ..in fact it's a mess
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I am consistent , you try to pretend you are open minded but you are a raving conservative which is worse
I’m A-Political as it happens.
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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lisvaneblue
Ive a very good knowledge of the NHS, prescription costs and associated data, drug costs, pharmacy reimbursement costs, and outcome data. A lot better I dare say then you or Vaughan Gethin.
More than 1 in 3 people with chronic illnesses in Scotland were said to be not taking medication because of the cost of prescriptions
I bet free prescriptions in Wales have reduced that in Wales too
https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk...ernment-claims
Maybe you know more than me on the subject , that wouldn't be difficult ......but do you know more than health secretary's?
Is your arguement practical or is it ideological ?
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lisvaneblue
Ive a very good knowledge of the NHS prescription costs and associated data, drug costs, pharmacy reimbursement costs, and outcome data. A lot better I dare say then you or Vaughan Gethin.
And underneath all this surely you can see that the NHS in Wales is a a nothing to be proud of ..in fact it's a mess
I think you are a Conservative and that's clouding your judgement
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TWGL1
I’m A-Political as it happens.
Mmmmm
If that's the case why are your posts always attacking Welsh Labour?
It's almost like you are as obsessed with them as you say I am with the conservatives
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Re: 23 Years of Labour Led NHS in Wales
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Fakeford , Dripford
Dear oh Dear
I thought it was good to see some passion, rt Davies is a pompous tory
My God. He was calling him Fakeford. No wonder I wasn’t getting anywhere, I was debating with a 4 year old.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
More than 1 in 3 people with chronic illnesses in Scotland were said to be not taking medication because of the cost of prescriptions
I bet free prescriptions in Wales have reduced that in Wales too
https://www.chemistanddruggist.co.uk...ernment-claims
Maybe you know more than me on the subject , that wouldn't be difficult ......but do you know more than health secretary's?
Is your arguement practical or is it ideological ?
Yes ..the Scottish argument is what I said earlier about Wales...it's valid. And on the subject we are discussing I know a lot more that the Health secretary.. Do you think she an idea about individual prescribing costs an outcomes. She needs to worry about 15 hour waits for an ambulance and people waiting 2 years to get their hip fixed so that they can go back to work.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I think you are a Conservative and that's clouding your judgement
Do you think the NHS has been run well in Wales then over the last two decades
Have you seen the state on the dental industry- I’ve just been forced to go private
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Dave Blue
My God. He was calling him Fakeford. No wonder I wasn’t getting anywhere, I was debating with a 4 year old.
I could call him worse , but that’s for another thread ….as I said previously if you don’t know what you’re talking about don’t post.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I think you are a Conservative and that's clouding your judgement
Nothing to do with party politics, just something I got an in depth knowledge of when working. And I fail to comprehend how you or anyone else for that matter can accept a 2 year wait for a hip operation, or a 15 hour wait for an ambulance as acceptable in order to defend your political party.
I'm in this world because by chance a specialist spotted something on an ECG the GP missed and got me into hospital within 4 hours. So I'm grateful to the NHS for that, and the treatment I got was great. But..and it's a big but....it should be like that for everyone all the time and its not.
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lisvaneblue
Yes ..the Scottish argument is what I said earlier about Wales...it's valid. And on the subject we are discussing I know a lot more that the Health secretary.. Do you think she an idea about individual prescribing costs an outcomes. She needs to worry about 15 hour waits for an ambulance and people waiting 2 years to get their hip fixed so that they can go back to work.
So you have extensively looked into the issue of free prescriptions on a cost benefit analysis
Why would the Welsh and Scottish health bosses be providing free prescriptions if they were not financially beneficial ?
What have they got to gain ?
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TWGL1
Do you think the NHS has been run well in Wales then over the last two decades
Have you seen the state on the dental industry- I’ve just been forced to go private
Gosh no but we only have England, Scotland and NI to compare
I think it's a political stick used by the tories of which you are one
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SLUDGE FACTORY
So you have extensively looked into the issue of free prescriptions on a cost benefit analysis
Why would the Welsh and Scottish health bosses be providing free prescriptions if they were not financially beneficial ?
What have they got to gain ?
Votes
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Gosh no but we only have England, Scotland and NI to compare
I think it's a political stick used by the tories of which you are one
I’ve told you my political persuasion in an earlier thread. That being said even if I was what could you do about it ?