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Warnock - "Cardiff must earn forgiveness"
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“Even when we got the ball we couldn’t pass it”
It’s been that way for 3 years, Neil.
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At least he didn't go off on some dopey rant about Brexit or refereeing again to try to deflect attention from an absolutely shit performance.
But I've no idea why he thinks this side is capable of "going on another run".
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"I will be interested what happens at Cardiff City over the next five years and what the comments will be like then. I will enjoy watching from afar."
Doesn't sound to me that he will be wishing us well once he's gone.
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Originally Posted by
BINGE THINKING
"I will be interested what happens at Cardiff City over the next five years and what the comments will be like then. I will enjoy watching from afar."
Doesn't sound to me that he will be wishing us well once he's gone.
Yeah. Quite a cynical comment.
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BINGE THINKING
"I will be interested what happens at Cardiff City over the next five years and what the comments will be like then. I will enjoy watching from afar."
Doesn't sound to me that he will be wishing us well once he's gone.
I wondered if anyone would pick up on that - seems to me that one of our manager's main motivations in his management career has been a wish to stick it to former employer, in fact it might be his prime motivation.
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So, he got is tactics wrong and that is the extent of his culpability. No mention of the ragbag of players bought by him, probably at his behest and not the Transfer Committee and at top dollar prices, that are now proving to be inadequate or have become non-persons only getting the occasional game for the U23s
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BINGE THINKING
"I will be interested what happens at Cardiff City over the next five years and what the comments will be like then. I will enjoy watching from afar."
Doesn't sound to me that he will be wishing us well once he's gone.
**** him. Get rid of him now.
And 5 years is nothing. Tan is still burping fish sauce over Malkys signing of Cornelius 6 years on.
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He's a bit of a shithouse on times, isn't he?
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Why would Danny be disappointed Neil is popular?
It’s these type of comments that rub me up the wrong way.
Listen you old ****, you’ve been a cracking manager over the years, but you definitely HAVE escaped harsh criticism off the press in these parts because you’re seen as some sort of messiah for that miracle promotion.
Stop rambling and sort it ****ing out.
You know the defenders are making mistakes, don’t change the defence, you e used an unskilled no10 at times we’ve needed a Tomlin, etc etc. All things you SHOULD know, given your experience.
So stop whining about the same old same old and do what you’re paid to do and ****ing fix it, instead of crawling back to the fans to grovel for our support.
Come back when you’ve shown us you deserve it, with a performance on the pitch. **** your empty words.
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"watching from afar" Does he mean heaven ?
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"Danny is probably disappointed I am popular, they are going to make comments though aren't they? That is what they get paid for," Warnock responded.
He's actually lost it
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Warnock signed Gabbidon for QPR didn’t he?
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He’s lost me now. He can **** off.
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dembethewarrior
Listen you old ****, you’ve been a cracking manager over the years, but you definitely HAVE escaped harsh criticism off the press in these parts because you’re seen as some sort of messiah for that miracle promotion.
And reunifying the club. That's his biggest achievement I think. I'm not sure time would have been a healer for that, Warnock must take some credit for getting everyone aligned. And my second favourite promotion season ever. That was good too.
But yeah, not sure the team he leaves behind will be any better than the one he inherited despite the premier league season and the money.
for his own legacy he really should have walked after man utd. The relegation was no disgrace and he was still thought of as having moved the club on at that point. It would have been something of a poisoned chalice for the next guy possibly, but I've no idea who is benefitting from him being given another season. It's such a pity for everyone that it's worked out this way.
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Optimistic Nick
And reunifying the club. That's his biggest achievement I think. I'm not sure time would have been a healer for that, Warnock must take some credit for getting everyone aligned. And my second favourite promotion season ever. That was good too.
But yeah, not sure the team he leaves behind will be any better than the one he inherited despite the premier league season and the money.
for his own legacy he really should have walked after man utd. The relegation was no disgrace and he was still thought of as having moved the club on at that point. It would have been something of a poisoned chalice for the next guy possibly, but I've no idea who is benefitting from him being given another season. It's such a pity for everyone that it's worked out this way.
I’ve said before he’s done well for bringing everyone back together.
Shame really, as by staying on he’s undoing all his own good work.
People are now pissed off with the manager, they’ve been passed off with results, and also players too (don’t agree with abuse to mozzas missus but it’s happened and I don’t see any comeback for him from that) so there are big HUGE cracks appearing now, time to earn his money and heal them or walk IMO.
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"I think it's that when you've got a system that isn't working and in midfield you are going up against an extra man, even when we got the ball we couldn't pass it,"
No sh!t :sherlock:
That's every game so far this season not just against the Jacks. Who's sacrificing the middle by insisting on playing two wingers every game?
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the other bob wilson
I wondered if anyone would pick up on that - seems to me that one of our manager's main motivations in his management career has been a wish to stick it to former employer, in fact it might be his prime motivation.
Really poor response from NW , he also did the same to Nathan Blake when he disagreed with his comments.
So in reality he is suggesting we will be much worse off when he has left, i actually tend to agree with him as the signings he has made this last window will not leave the next manager in good stead.
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dembethewarrior
I’ve said before he’s done well for bringing everyone back together.
Shame really, as by staying on he’s undoing all his own good work.
People are now pissed off with the manager, they’ve been passed off with results, and also players too (don’t agree with abuse to mozzas missus but it’s happened and I don’t see any comeback for him from that) so there are big HUGE cracks appearing now, time to earn his money and heal them or walk IMO.
ah but the beauty of it is, we are all pissed off together now. That's his legacy. we were all over the place before but we are now united in our desire to see a new manager come in and, god willing, some actual football.
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Optimistic Nick
ah but the beauty of it is, we are all pissed off together now. That's his legacy. we were all over the place before but we are now united in our desire to see a new manager come in and, god willing, some actual football.
:thumbup:
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Optimistic Nick
ah but the beauty of it is, we are all pissed off together now. That's his legacy. we were all over the place before but we are now united in our desire to see a new manager come in and, god willing, some actual football.
I like the way you’ve spun me into a positive thought there.
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I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with his "watching from afar" comment because I read it as once he's away from football, he's far away.
To be fair to the bloke, when I retire I'll be doing it properly too.
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B. Oddie
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt with his "watching from afar" comment because I read it as once he's away from football, he's far away.
To be fair to the bloke, when I retire I'll be doing it properly too.
Yeah, me too. I have worked for some super-intense people in my job, some of whom are the country's experts on certain things and have dedicated their lives to their work. They don't switch off, they are relentless. But when they retire (which they normally have to at 55), on the whole you never hear from them again. No coming back to help out on a freelance basis; no consultancy roles; no non-exec stuff. They just walk out of the door and go and find out if they actually like their wife/husband and children. That's what I want to do, just walk away and do anything but what I've spent far too much of my life doing already. Warnock is 70 ffs, and his job is, surely, his hobby. I hope for his sake he manages to leave it all behind when he does go.
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Reasonable responses to reasonable questions...
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Des Parrot
"I think it's that when you've got a system that isn't working and in midfield you are going up against an extra man, even when we got the ball we couldn't pass it,"
No sh!t :sherlock:
That's every game so far this season not just against the Jacks. Who's sacrificing the middle by insisting on playing two wingers every game?
.and two wingers who hug the touchline like Billy Meredith and Stanley Matthews, who never come infield more than a yard or two. Having Ralls and Dobbin[sorry, Pack], to stop everything in the middle and also create everything just ain't going to work..
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BINGE THINKING
"I will be interested what happens at Cardiff City over the next five years and what the comments will be like then. I will enjoy watching from afar."
Doesn't sound to me that he will be wishing us well once he's gone.
It is and always has been about Neil Warnock, not Cardiff. From these unfortunate comments it appears that when he leaves he expects us to struggle and then everyone will appreciate the genius he thinks he is.
Warnock has squandered the club’s money on grossly inflated transfer fees for journeymen pros of limited ability on silly wages with minimal sell on value. The next manager will have to try and rebuild and produce a team capable of actually playing football again. This will be a challenge as they may have to make do on a fraction of the budget Warnock was given.
If we do struggle when Warnock leaves then I’m afraid he will have to take a large share of the responsibilty whether he likes it or not.
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Warnock tries a positive formation. Gets it badly wrong. Garantee he'll use this as an excuse to be even more negative. Warnock is already the most negative manager in the Championship.
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This will not end well Bob. I understand that players are speaking quite openly about being upset with the way they are being asked to play. He had a go at them after Sunday. The response was "That's the way you asked us to play". It seems that in training they are asked to pass the ball but on match day it's just get it upfield as quickly as possible. To be honest I must be hard for a professional player to play in a way which does not allow them to express themselves.
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Garth Blue
This will not end well Bob. I understand that players are speaking quite openly about being upset with the way they are being asked to play. He had a go at them after Sunday. The response was "That's the way you asked us to play". It seems that in training they are asked to pass the ball but on match day it's just get it upfield as quickly as possible. To be honest I must be hard for a professional player to play in a way which does not allow them to express themselves.
I think this team is not only capable of playing football but they are itching to be allowed to.
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I liken Neil Warnock to a highly skilled aircraft engineer. The problem is he is highly skilled with Spitfires and Hurricanes while nearly all the other engineers have moved on to far more modern effective aircraft.
When pressed to modernise his views by bringing in more modern parts ( players) he doesn’t use them to create a more modern aircraft ( team) but just tries fitting them into the old aircraft he is familiar with where of course they simply don’t fit and most of them have to be expensively discarded.
Instead of then just switching to newer ideas he simply stubbornly sticks to his old fashioned ideas
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Since62
I liken Neil Warnock to a highly skilled aircraft engineer. The problem is he is highly skilled with Spitfires and Hurricanes while nearly all the other engineers have moved on to far more modern effective aircraft.
When pressed to modernise his views by bringing in more modern parts ( players) he doesn’t use them to create a more modern aircraft ( team) but just tries fitting them into the old aircraft he is familiar with where of course they simply don’t fit and most of them have to be expensively discarded.
Instead of then just switching to newer ideas he simply stubbornly sticks to his old fashioned ideas
I don't think it's that Warnock doesn't grasp 'modern' football techniques and tactics - I'm pretty sure he's as knowledgeable as your Luigis and Francescos - it's just he believes, with a fair bit of historical justification, that the more often you get the ball into the opponent's penalty area the more likely you are to score. Trouble is this season we have players who aren't capable of doing that, or probably aren't happy doing that..
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To be fair, if NW retired last summer and could have been coaxed back he would've found employment. That he did in his late 60s is quite something considering how many have fallen by the wayside long before then. Maybe he's alluding to the way the club is run and recognises the lack of expertise in the boardroom etc. He's bigging himself up at the same time as one would expect but perhaps he foresees a supposedly lesser manager struggling with our infrastructure.
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The Bob Banker Spanker
Yeah. Quite a cynical comment.
I read it more as a dig at the local press, that he’d like to see how they react when it’s another manager.
Seems like he feels he’s not getting a fair crack off them. Although that maybe something he could aim at Blakey, but not really Danny Gabbs
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Lawnmower
I read it more as a dig at the local press, that he’d like to see how they react when it’s another manager.
Seems like he feels he’s not getting a fair crack off them. Although that maybe something he could aim at Blakey, but not really Danny Gabbs
He’s had it easy. Let’s be honest.
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dembethewarrior
He’s had it easy. Let’s be honest.
He has. He was given a free pass during the premier league season and it's only now that he's receiving a tiny bit of scrutiny. Dave jones was kicked all over the park (deservedly at times) by the local press. What does he expect when he's dishing up shit football without the result?
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Lawnmower
I read it more as a dig at the local press, that he’d like to see how they react when it’s another manager.
Seems like he feels he’s not getting a fair crack off them. Although that maybe something he could aim at Blakey, but not really Danny Gabbs
Gabbidon slates him and has regular digs about Cardiff’s performances regularly on the Elis James podcast, going back a decent way (before we were completely shite) . It made me wonder whether they clashed at QPR or Palace or wherever it was they were together.
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Tuerto
He has. He was given a free pass during the premier league season and it's only now that he's receiving a tiny bit of scrutiny. Dave jones was kicked all over the park (deservedly at times) by the local press. What does he expect when he's dishing up shit football without the result?
Jones had some right hammerings!!
Warnock has had it easy from day one, he came in and steadied us nicely and had a reputation to boot so the press and fans in the main laid off him. Following season we went 5-0 and came storming out the blocks, he realised it may not be sustainable over a season but probably also had a pleasant surprise what his boys could manage as well so he went back to his bare bones version of long ball (nobody minds it when it’s smashing villa and wolves do they doing it right) and honestly hasn’t looked back. He got an unlikely promotion, that there was his free pass to take us up and no matter where we finished he would be there at the end of the season (I think I gave him that pass too) and be given this season to right it and bring us back up
The bloke has had a right free ride with all the fancy add ons you could wish to imagine.
About time he had a bit of criticism.
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"We've lost two in 12 games, but I feel like there are four draws we could have won and that would have been eight more points.“
Probably a few wins that could’ve been draws too though.....if we are talking hypothetically.
Bit of a dreamland comment for someone who prides himself on being a straight talker.
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The 2 biggest games for us in recent times Fulham away and Sunday and on both occasions he got it wrong that coupled with a shit load of donkeys he bought in the Summer and easily the crapest football I've witnessed in a long time by a Cardiff City team tells me it's time to hang up his "we've got a great buch of boys" post match media talk.
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Optimistic Nick
At least he didn't go off on some dopey rant about Brexit or refereeing again to try to deflect attention from an absolutely shit performance.
But I've no idea why he thinks this side is capable of "going on another run".
Another run of draws? Can't wait.