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Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.
Vincent Tan responsible for style of play and Warnock went over his head with Sala signing.
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the other bob wilson
Thanks Bob for posting that. Astonishing! We really are in deep shite and rudderless.
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Wow, that’s quite the read! Thanks ToBW!
I think I’m a little shocked. No money in the summer as well? No renewal of contracts? Do we know who that is that’ll be leaving? And Tan gets to decide what kind of football we play?
Jesus Christ. We’re even more of a joke than I thought.
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Mehmet Dalman to exit stage left in the near future? That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
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Dorcus
Thanks Bob for posting that. Astonishing! We really are in deep shite and rudderless.
I notice the younger fans in the Canton End were singing 'Newport County' we're coming for you'. Having read Bob's posting it's more likely to be 'Wrexham, Wrexham' we're coming for you, then a few seasons later, 'Hereford United, we're coming for you'/ Sad to say, it really does make gloomy reading.
This is the most despondent I have felt since season 99/00 when we had managed to get out of the dungeon and into what is now League 1, only to get relegated at the end of the season and back to league 2. Everything seemed dire once Frankie Burrows got the sack and Billy Ayre continued in the same dismal fashion. Of course, 'Our Lord and Saviour' Sam Hammam took over in the summer of 2000. It really does feel as if we are plunging down to the level we were at before the Scamster came along. Or am I being unnaturally pessimistic this afternoon?
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
Wow, that’s quite the read! Thanks ToBW!
I think I’m a little shocked. No money in the summer as well? No renewal of contracts? Do we know who that is that’ll be leaving? And Tan gets to decide what kind of football we play?
Jesus Christ. We’re even more of a joke than I thought.
I think that means the following would be leaving: Joe Ralls, Sean Morrison, Marlon Pack, Aden Flint, Alex Smithies, Isaac Vassell, Will Vaulks, Josh Murphy. Leaving us with Phillips, Nelson, Bacuna, Harris, Sang, Bagan, Ng, McGuinness, Moore, Collins, Bowen, Evans and Colwill
We're f*cked.
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the other bob wilson
Looks like there may be a distancing from MD to VT and the current decision making.
Especially considering MD stated about the need for more quality in the side last July and this never happened.
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Originally Posted by
Mr Soul '68
I notice the younger fans in the Canton End were singing 'Newport County' we're coming for you'. Having read Bob's posting it's more likely to be 'Wrexham, Wrexham' we're coming for you, then a few seasons later, 'Hereford United, we're coming for you'/ Sad to say, it really does make gloomy reading.
This is the most despondent I have felt since season 99/00 when we had managed to get out of the dungeon and into what is now League 1, only to get relegated at the end of the season and back to league 2. Everything seemed dire once Frankie Burrows got the sack and Billy Ayre continued in the same dismal fashion. Of course, 'Our Lord and Saviour' Sam Hammam took over in the summer of 2000. It really does feel as if we are plunging down to the level we were at before the Scamster came along. Or am I being unnaturally pessimistic this afternoon?
"Barry Town United, we're coming for you"
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City123
I think that means the following would be leaving: Joe Ralls, Sean Morrison, Marlon Pack, Aden Flint, Alex Smithies, Isaac Vassell, Will Vaulks, Josh Murphy. Leaving us with Phillips, Nelson, Bacuna, Harris, Sang, Bagan, Ng, McGuinness, Moore, Collins, Bowen, Evans and Colwill
We're f*cked.
Does it say that we will not be giving any of them new deals? I just think he’s mentioning it that it’ll be a challenge. I’d be surprised if some of them weren’t offered new deals on reduced terms.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Does it say that we will not be giving any of them new deals? I just think he’s mentioning it that it’ll be a challenge. I’d be surprised if some of them weren’t offered new deals on reduced terms.
As would I, but this bit is concerning and I imagine TOBW knows more than me:
"Is there an admission in there that all of the senior players who are out of contract this summer will not be offered new deals?
The answer to that would appear to be yes"
Even we did offer them deals is there a guarantee they'd be accepted?
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City123
I think that means the following would be leaving: Joe Ralls, Sean Morrison, Marlon Pack, Aden Flint, Alex Smithies, Isaac Vassell, Will Vaulks, Josh Murphy. Leaving us with Phillips, Nelson, Bacuna, Harris, Sang, Bagan, Ng, McGuinness, Moore, Collins, Bowen, Evans and Colwill
We're f*cked.
The only one on that list I would want to keep would be Ralls - all the others can go and still can't believe bacuna contract hasn't run out yet
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Nobody's Rep
The only one on that list I would want to keep would be Ralls - all the others can go and still can't believe bacuna contract hasn't run out yet
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How exactly do the supporters at that meeting act as representatives of other supporters - or are they sharing theirs and their mates views?
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Every time I read these little tidbits of insider information about Tan, he comes across more and more like Donald Trump. An incompetent baby, that needs praise and appeasement and has to be shielded from the truth. Having said that, MD comes across as someone that's not averse to bullshitting when he's under the cosh.
Also, the whole thing about players not having their contract renewed and no transfers coming in makes no sense. It basically guarantees relegation, which I'm sure doesn't fit in with Tan's "plans". Or Tan's "wishes" which is probably a more accurate term.
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Nobody's Rep
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How exactly do the supporters at that meeting act as representatives of other supporters - or are they sharing theirs and their mates views?
The note of the meeting was prepared by Supporters Trust reps for the benefit of Supporters Trust members who they represent. The text of the note of the meeting in the blog was taken from an email sent to all Trust Members. Any further comments in the blog are those of the author of the blog.
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If MD is not being paid for his role, what motivation is there for doing the role?
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Dalman is a massive bullshitter. I wouldn't trust a single thing that he says.
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If Dalman doesnt receive a salary, what's in it for him?
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Grangenders
If MD is not being paid for his role, what motivation is there for doing the role?
I'm assuming he receives some form of monetary compensation that is able to be termed other than "salary".
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City123
I think that means the following would be leaving: Joe Ralls, Sean Morrison, Marlon Pack, Aden Flint, Alex Smithies, Isaac Vassell, Will Vaulks, Josh Murphy. Leaving us with Phillips, Nelson, Bacuna, Harris, Sang, Bagan, Ng, McGuinness, Moore, Collins, Bowen, Evans and Colwill
We're f*cked.
Plus the 3 Ws...Whyte, Wintle and Watters. The first two seem to be doing OK at their loan clubs. Watters....no idea about him. I presume he's still on our books until at least the end of the season.
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Enoch Mort
The note of the meeting was prepared by Supporters Trust reps for the benefit of Supporters Trust members who they represent. The text of the note of the meeting in the blog was taken from an email sent to all Trust Members. Any further comments in the blog are those of the author of the blog.
Thanks but this implies that it is only for trust members which is fine I am happy for the trust to represent the views of the trust but this talks about supporters reps and this is wider than the trust?
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God, Cardiff City is like a football soap opera!
It’s just never ending with our club.
I think we should all try and be a bit calm about this, as it’s Dalman talking.
What we really need is for Vincent Tan to come and talk to the fans - not a bland statement.
He’s the owner, after all.
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IanD
Plus the 3 Ws...Whyte, Wintle and Watters. The first two seem to be doing OK at their loan clubs. Watters....no idea about him. I presume he's still on our books until at least the end of the season.
I think Whyte's contact is up at the end of the season too, so that's another who'll almost certainly be leaving.
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Originally Posted by
Nobody's Rep
Thanks but this implies that it is only for trust members which is fine I am happy for the trust to represent the views of the trust but this talks about supporters reps and this is wider than the trust?
The note the Trust prepared stated that reps from the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group were also present so, no doubt, they will prepare their own notes of the meeting to circulate to their own members.
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Nobody's Rep
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How exactly do the supporters at that meeting act as representatives of other supporters - or are they sharing theirs and their mates views?
The message I sent out to Trust members very early this morning makes clear who was there representing the Trust and I have complete trust in him - as a Trust member that’s all I’m interested in. I can remember these sort of discussions nearly ten years ago regarding meetings held over the rebrand and we don’t appear to have moved on one iota.
I should emphasise that the comments following the message are mine as a City supporting blog writer and have nothing to do with Keith or the Trust.
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Tan playing a very expensive game of Football Manager through his yes men.
It seems he has got bored of this particular game though.
If he thinks that bringing kids in for quality professionals is the way to go then he has learnt nothing from this season at all. Would he admit he was wrong with anything though?
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Tan, Tan the relegation man
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Re: Mehmet Dalman's extraordinary meeting with City supporter representatives yesterday.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
The message I sent out to Trust members very early this morning makes clear who was there representing the Trust and I have complete trust in him - as a Trust member that’s all I’m interested in. I can remember these sort of discussions nearly ten years ago regarding meetings held over the rebrand and we don’t appear to have moved on one iota.
I should emphasise that the comments following the message are mine as a City supporting blog writer and have nothing to do with Keith or the Trust.
Totally agree with your comments and not moved in one iota especially by the club.
The issue for me is not who's there as I don't care but let's be clear on who they are representing which you and others have done
Otherwise it can end up a bit like this board a bit "cliquey" 👍
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Enoch Mort
The note the Trust prepared stated that reps from the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group were also present so, no doubt, they will prepare their own notes of the meeting to circulate to their own members.
👍 Thanks helpful
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Nobody's Rep
Totally agree with your comments and not moved in one iota especially by the club.
The issue for me is not who's there as I don't care but let's be clear on who they are representing which you and others have done
Otherwise it can end up a bit like this board a bit "cliquey"
Fair enough :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
Tan playing a very expensive game of Football Manager through his yes men.
It seems he has got bored of this particular game though.
If he thinks that bringing kids in for quality professionals is the way to go then he has learnt nothing from this season at all. Would he admit he was wrong with anything though?
We are cutting cloth due to debts and ffp though.
Debts run up by Tan himself so i'm not sticking up for him it's just the reason why we are cutting back in my opinion..
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stan butler
We are cutting cloth due to debts and ffp though.
Debts run up by Tan himself so i'm not sticking up for him it's just the reason why we are cutting back in my opinion..
I think we can all see what is happening.
It seems irrelevant who we bring in as manager as Tan, according to Dalman, oversees every football decision so they can't do their job anyway.
That is bad enough without having to bring kids in from the under 23 level and make them competent Championship players overnight.
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Could be worse. We could be Man U fans 😂
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
I think we can all see what is happening.
It seems irrelevant who we bring in as manager as Tan, according to Dalman, oversees every football decision so they can't do their job anyway.
That is bad enough without having to bring kids in from the under 23 level and make them competent Championship players overnight.
The words "nail and head" spring to mind. Someone mentioned "meddling'; it's far worse than that, it's dictatorship.
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
I think we can all see what is happening.
It seems irrelevant who we bring in as manager as Tan, according to Dalman, oversees every football decision so they can't do their job anyway.
That is bad enough without having to bring kids in from the under 23 level and make them competent Championship players overnight.
Does that mean the 5 CBs were Tan's idea?
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Dorcus
The words "nail and head" spring to mind. Someone mentioned "meddling'; it's far worse than that, it's dictatorship.
Meddling for me is asking questions from time to time and trying to influence the manager.
Telephone calls after most games and Tan deciding our playing style and not the manager. That is ridiculous.
It seems we haven't moved on from the days of "why isn't David Marshall scoring more goals?"
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gabbsthenewt
Does that mean the 5 CBs were Tan's idea?
If he has the final say on things as hands on as playing style then you'd say it was Tan.
He would at least have made sure it didn't happen again.
It all makes sense now. Man with very little football knowledge tries to stop goals by plugging more centre backs in.
Like a bloke using sand bags before an impending flood.
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Dorcus
Thanks Bob for posting that. Astonishing! We really are in deep shite and rudderless.
I just wonder how many of the other 24 Championship clubs are in deep financial shite. Quite a few I should imagine.
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10 months ago we signed a 4th division striker for £1M who barely played and was sent out on loan. This was in the middle of the pandemic with no-one going to games. Whose idea was that? If it was Tan and he gets a say in footballing matters wouldn't he expect to see the lad playing? Would he be happy that player was sent out on loan?
Also, if Choo and Dalman had okayed Sala then would Tan's input have been needed?
Does Tan have any idea how teams play below first team level? Wouldn't he want them to play the long ball game too?
Dalman answers a question and three more spring up afterwards.