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Anyone else really warming to Mick?
Easy to say that after yesterdays result, but i was one of presumably many, who were totally underwhelmed when he got the job.
i’d never really looked at him in depth, and just had the impression he was a dour faced, run of the mill, under achieving has been.
Since he’s been here, i found out he once refused to shake hands with Margaret Thatcher, which instantly made me admire him as a person.
Our run of form since he’s been here has been top notch, albeit not very pretty, but none the less, very effective.
Before yesterdays game, the threat of the Jacks completing the first ever league double between the both of us, was very real, and i was dreading it.
Not only did we avoid that, we beat them.
Watching his after match interview, where he applauded the players effort, and said he was going to put a coat hanger upside down in his mouth to keep a smile, really made me laugh.
He’s never gonna get us to dizzy heights, playing scintillating football, but i’ve found a new admiration for him, and whilst he’s here he’ll get my full support
If it all goes pear shaped, i’ll not be in the number calling for his head.
Yesterdays result, and all it meant, has im, given him cult status already.
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I think, it's the best football we have played for a good while..
Tom Sang was Neil Harris leaving present to us along with Perry NG.
As the song goes, "The futures so bright I got to wear shades"
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I've always liked Mick McCarthy as a person and I've never really understood his 'dour' reputation. He's always seemed to have a really good sense of humour to me. He's also always come across as a genuinely decent, down-to-earth guy and an honest man who doesn't talk bullshit. I really like all of those things about him and always have. I find McCarthy a distinct contrast to Neil Warnock, who's an interesting and amusing character for sure, but also dislikeable in many respects.
Big Mick has done a great job since he arrived here. Those who backed Neil Harris continuously must be feeling really foolish now, especially after last night's game. What a contrast to the meek surrender at the CCS in December, with Harris outcast Flint scoring the goal and Bacuna nowhere near the right-back berth.
The football itself is still dreadful, though. I've watched City three times in a little over a week and they've been abysmal. The notion of the side keeping to the basics and playing within its limitations has been stretched to the extremes in the games against Huddersfield, Stoke and Swansea. To say City rode their luck in those matches is an understatement and quality of football has been truly appalling.
It's difficult to judge McCarthy in terms of the football at present as he's only working with what he inherited and he's getting very decent results under the circumstances. But I really hope we'll see a genuine improvement in style next season, because this lot are painful to watch much of the time.
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Armitage Shanks
I think, it's the best football we have played for a good while.
Seriously?
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The Lone Gunman
Seriously?
I can't actually remember a time Cardiff were ever easy on the eye?
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Freitag 4.17
I can't actually remember a time Cardiff were ever easy on the eye?
I can't remember ever seeing a City team that were less easy on the eye.
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It's quite difficult to know what to make of his time here so far: he hasn't had a stand-out performance to hang his hat on and we're still waiting to see what his plans are for the summer, but he's done the basics well and brought the fans and players back together.
He's done a similar job to Warnock when coming in but has shown a greater interest, and trust, in the younger players and hasn't fallen out with anyone. I'm feeling more positive than negative but am curious to see what he does when Wilson, Ojo leave and Murphy and Flint enter last year of their contracts.
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Sky TV interviewer to Mick - ‘at least now you have a well earned two week break to recharge the batteries Mick’. MM’s reply to TV interviewer - ‘YEH HAH’ - priceless :hehe::hehe::hehe:
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The Lone Gunman
I can't remember ever seeing a City team that were less easy on the eye.
I don' t think I'm alone in thinking this is easier to watch than both Warnock and Harris' Cardiff.
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Hes doing a great job
Hes Cardiff manager
The end
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I've always liked Mick McCarthy as a person and I've never really understood his 'dour' reputation. He's always seemed to have a really good sense of humour to me. He's also always come across as a genuinely decent, down-to-earth guy and an honest man who doesn't talk bullshit. I really like all of those things about him and always have. I find McCarthy a distinct contrast to Neil Warnock, who's an interesting and amusing character for sure, but also dislikeable in many respects.
Big Mick has done a great job since he arrived here. Those who backed Neil Harris continuously must be feeling really foolish now, especially after last night's game. What a contrast to the meek surrender at the CCS in December, with Harris outcast Flint scoring the goal and Bacuna nowhere near the right-back berth.
The football itself is still dreadful, though. I've watched City three times in a little over a week and they've been abysmal. The notion of the side keeping to the basics and playing within its limitations has been stretched to the extremes in the games against Huddersfield, Stoke and Swansea. To say City rode their luck in those matches is an understatement and quality of football has been truly appalling.
It's difficult to judge McCarthy in terms of the football at present as he's only working with what he inherited and he's getting very decent results under the circumstances. But I really hope we'll see a genuine improvement in style next season, because this lot are painful to watch much of the time.
McCarthy has always been known as one of the tiny number of managers who speaks the truth and is likeable as a result.
If you think the football is abysmal then you clearly didn’t watch Cardiff City under Harris at all, so you are in no position to comment. You have invalidated your whole post by making that remark.
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Hes come here , we have vaulted up the league and just beaten a top 3 side in a local Derby
Am I losing my mind ?
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The Lone Gunman
I can't remember ever seeing a City team that were less easy on the eye.
Er, ANY game under Harris??!!!
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Freitag 4.17
I don' t think I'm alone in thinking this is easier to watch than both Warnock and Harris' Cardiff.
Fair enough. I genuinely can't recall ever seeing anything as grim in football terms from City as the recent performances against Huddersfield, Stoke and Swansea, but each to their own.
I should point out that, unlike the Huddersfield and Stoke matches, I thoroughly enjoyed last night's game as a spectacle due to the circumstances and the bodies-on-the-line, last-ditch defending from City during the second half. A bet on Vaulks to get booked at some point also helped (good old Will), but the quality of City's football was utterly abysmal. Almost comical at times. Meanwhile, the Jacks were also pretty poor. It'll be a travesty in footballing terms if either of those sides somehow gets promoted to the Premier League, but I very much doubt that will happen.
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Freitag 4.17
I don' t think I'm alone in thinking this is easier to watch than both Warnock and Harris' Cardiff.
It isn’t total football by any means but it is 100x better that the garbage played under Harris. There are similarities to some of the football played under Warnock.
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Bobby Dandruff
If you think the football is abysmal then you clearly didn’t watch Cardiff City under Harris at all, so you are in no position to comment. You have invalidated your whole post by making that remark.
You think the performances against Huddersfield, Stoke and Swansea were an improvement in footballing terms on what we witnessed under Harris? If so, you're deluding yourself because you were so opposed to Harris. The results are better, the spirit is better, the organisation is better, the football is still garbage.
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Bobby Dandruff
It isn’t total football by any means but it is 100x better that the garbage played under Harris.
:hehe::hehe::hehe:
Stop being so daft.
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The Lone Gunman
I can't remember ever seeing a City team that were less easy on the eye.
I think you are going a bit too far now. You would have seen sides with Andy Kerr , Kevin Lloyd etc. Sides hammered by Hereford , Merthyr. They couldnt do anything well.
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Hilts
I think you are going a bit too far now. You would have seen sides with Andy Kerr , Kevin Lloyd etc. Sides hammered by Hereford , Merthyr. They couldnt do anything well.
Oh, of course, we've seen some terrible teams over the years. But they always tried to play a bit of football. The current lot are so difficult to watch because what they do works, so they very rarely attempt to deviate from it. It's effective, but it's really grim.
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Freitag 4.17
I don' t think I'm alone in thinking this is easier to watch than both Warnock and Harris' Cardiff.
I agree, hardly 1970 Brazil, but better than the previous two managers.
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mrbluejay
I agree, hardly 1970 Brazil, but better than the previous two managers.
Is it better than Warnock at start of our promotion season?
Is it better than what Harris did on his run to the play-offs last season? Is it better than what Harris did when on his winning run this season?
It's more recent, but is it really better than anything served up by previous two?
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The Lone Gunman
I can't remember ever seeing a City team that were less easy on the eye.
I'll take you through a few of the managers who were less pleasing on the eye in your lifetime of supporting Cardiff City. DURBAN, HIBBERT/OSMAN/PHIL NEAL/RUSSELL SLADE/TROLLOPE/WARNOCK, and that's without sitting down for a cuppa and really thinking about it
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Freitag 4.17
I can't actually remember a time Cardiff were ever easy on the eye?
Dave Jones side ?
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Freitag 4.17
I can't actually remember a time Cardiff were ever easy on the eye?
Other than the odd few performances over the years, it would be 2010-11 under Dave Jones.
Some of out attacking football, was fantastic.
If it wasn’t for injuries towards the end of the season/playoffs, we’d have gone up.
We literally had a front four of Bellamy, Chopra, Bothroyd and Burke, with Whitt’s pulling the strings behind.
We didn’t realise just how good we had it.
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Warming? Warmed!
P13 W8 D4 L1.
Got class, says the truth, got the players fighting for their places. :thumbup:
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The Lone Gunman
I can't remember ever seeing a City team that were less easy on the eye.
The end of Harris' reign. I think its a little harsh to judge McCarthy's style at this point, he was clearly brought in and told to sort out the defence, back to basics, keep us up etc. If we're playing the same way at the start of next season then its more of a worry
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If you average out 2 points a game, usually you'll either win the league or be a very close 2nd, Magic Mick has a better record than that from his 13 games in charge, without really recruiting his own players to add to the current squad.
Whatever happens this season, he's been a success, all bodes well for next year
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It's been a remarkable turnaround.
I think he's doing as well as anyone could with the playing squad he inherited.
Not only that, even the players whom we know can play better football, have been trained and groomed by successive managers to hoof the ball.
Changing that won't happen over night.
A 51% successful pass rate exposes a huge weakness in the team that everyone can see.. that MM will know that needs to be addressed on the training pitch and transfer window.
The exciting thing for me is that if that improves with new players and better coaching, we could be a real force in the coming seasons.
The committment and trust MM and TC have shown in our young players is something that I wasn't expecting and such a nice surprise.
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Bluebird23
Other than the odd few performances over the years, it would be 2010-11 under Dave Jones.
Some of out attacking football, was fantastic.
If it wasn’t for injuries towards the end of the season/playoffs, we’d have gone up.
We literally had a front four of Bellamy, Chopra, Bothroyd and Burke, with Whitt’s pulling the strings behind.
We didn’t realise just how good we had it.
The start of the promotion season under Warnock was pretty good, we were ripping teams apart
Then we lost to Preston and he decided to shut up shop and grind out wins
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City123
The start of the promotion season under Warnock was pretty good, we were ripping teams apart
Then we lost to Preston and he decided to shut up shop and grind out wins
17/18 we were fantastic, it was fun. Away from home we were always horrible and ground stuff out, and then after the 4 defeats on the spin he just decided we'd grind it out at home. Unless when we played Leeds, we decided to batter them :hehe:
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Bluebird23
Other than the odd few performances over the years, it would be 2010-11 under Dave Jones.
Some of out attacking football, was fantastic.
If it wasn’t for injuries towards the end of the season/playoffs, we’d have gone up.
We literally had a front four of Bellamy, Chopra, Bothroyd and Burke, with Whitt’s pulling the strings behind.
We didn’t realise just how good we had it.
Yeah I think that's probably the best football we played in decades.
I think it was more than injuries that let us down though... Too many dressing room splits and Jones was very divisive. Had favourites and would easily isolate players for the smallest of reasons while others got away with all kind of stuff.
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surge
It's quite difficult to know what to make of his time here so far: he hasn't had a stand-out performance to hang his hat on and we're still waiting to see what his plans are for the summer, but he's done the basics well and brought the fans and players back together.
He's done a similar job to Warnock when coming in but has shown a greater interest, and trust, in the younger players and hasn't fallen out with anyone. I'm feeling more positive than negative but am curious to see what he does when Wilson, Ojo leave and Murphy and Flint enter last year of their contracts.
Not the greatest dilemma.
Wilson, for whatever reason, has not performed to his capabilities for Cardiff.
Ojo ... hit and miss
Murphy ... miss, miss & hit
When none of the above start, does it really have an effect?
The big bonus this season is seeing the U-23s playing so well and the youth being given its chance.
- Tom Sang
- Ciaron Brown
- Jeol Bagan
- Ruben Colwill
- Mark Harris
In addition:
... with more to come from the academy and rising stars (from the likes of Crewe) the future is bright.
We don't need to worry about losing highly paid journeymen.
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Jimmy the Jock
Dave Jones side ?
Jimmy Scoular and Jimmy Andrews also spring to mind.
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City123
I think its a little harsh to judge McCarthy's style at this point, he was clearly brought in and told to sort out the defence, back to basics, keep us up etc. If we're playing the same way at the start of next season then its more of a worry
I agree completely. My observations are not meant as a criticism of McCarthy himself - he's working with what he's inherited and he's doing a fine job in my opinion. The difference in the attitude of the side compared to the one that were totally outplayed by the Jacks in December was clear for all to see. However, that doesn't mean the football itself was of any better quality.
As I've said, I enjoyed last night's game, mainly due to the history, what was at stake, etc. But let's be honest here - if that game had involved anyone bar City, most of us who enjoy decent football would have turned it off after twenty minutes maximum. Imagine if it had been Forest and Derby or Blackburn and Preston or Birmingham and Coventry serving up similar fare. This side can be effective, but they're not a good watch by any stretch of the imagination.
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I've always liked MM and thought he was a great appointment on a 6 month contract until the end of the season. Some of the over reactions to his appointment were silly, mind you some blindly supported an awful Harris so who knows what runs through some people's minds.
The turn around from how poor we were under Harris this season to now has been unbelievable. He's also a great character, comes across well in interviews, very honest.
I think it would be unfair for people to say he didn't deserve a new contract, I think most managers who have done as well as MM in such a short space of time would get a new contract.
However having had the likes of Warnock, Harris, Slade, Milky etc I do feel we have potentially missed a chance to review the situation in the summer and look to go in a difference directions. I think keeping MM has been the easy decision, not nesesscerly the wrong one though.
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Forest Green Bluebird
Not the greatest dilemma.
Wilson, for whatever reason, has not performed to his capabilities for Cardiff.
Ojo ... hit and miss
Murphy ... miss, miss & hit
When none of the above start, does it really have an effect?
The big bonus this season is seeing the U-23s playing so well and the youth being given its chance.
- Tom Sang
- Ciaron Brown
- Jeol Bagan
- Ruben Colwill
- Mark Harris
In addition:
... with more to come from the academy and rising stars (from the likes of Crewe) the future is bright.
We don't need to worry about losing highly paid journeymen.
:thumbup:
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The Lone Gunman
You think the performances against Huddersfield, Stoke and Swansea were an improvement in footballing terms on what we witnessed under Harris? If so, you're deluding yourself because you were so opposed to Harris. The results are better, the spirit is better, the organisation is better, the football is still garbage.
Cherry picking alert ! Totally forgetting the seven wins previously, which were miles better than anything before this season and especially the displays against Derby, Luton, Bristol City, Bournemouth and Preston in which we played some good stuff as well and scored goals.
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Jimmy the Jock
Dave Jones side ?
Of course they were. Has anyone watched the recent reruns of the play off semi against Leicester?
Some people on here have very short memories.
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Mr Soul '68
I'll take you through a few of the managers who were less pleasing on the eye in your lifetime of supporting Cardiff City. DURBAN, HIBBERT/OSMAN/PHIL NEAL/RUSSELL SLADE/TROLLOPE/WARNOCK, and that's without sitting down for a cuppa and really thinking about it
Exactly.
His comment is beyond idiotic.
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Forest Green Bluebird
Not the greatest dilemma.
Wilson, for whatever reason, has not performed to his capabilities for Cardiff.
Ojo ... hit and miss
Murphy ... miss, miss & hit
When none of the above start, does it really have an effect?
The big bonus this season is seeing the U-23s playing so well and the youth being given its chance.
- Tom Sang
- Ciaron Brown
- Jeol Bagan
- Ruben Colwill
- Mark Harris
In addition:
... with more to come from the academy and rising stars (from the likes of Crewe) the future is bright.
We don't need to worry about losing highly paid journeymen.
Murphy is mid twenties, Wilson and Ojo early twenties - hardly journeymen are they, even if they are highly paid. You also appear to be totally disregarding Wilsons part in most of Moores goals and a number of others, plus the ones he has scored. Without him we would be lower mid table at best. The jury is also out at this stage as to whether players like Brown and Harris will make the grade, although Sang, Colwill and Bagan do look very promising.