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Question was “why is Wales not following england”
Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
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Originally Posted by
19bluebirds27
Question was “why is Wales not following england”
Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
I like him, he says it as it is; no bullshit.
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Or we need to do something different and we can always blame another government body , if business go bust, we have large unemployment , poverty and mental illness in years to come , we can blame Westminster .
Population of Wales in 2021 is estimated to be 3.17 million
The breakdown of Omicron cases by health board :
Cardiff and Vale University Health Board 102 (+31)
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board 67 (+24)
Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board 86 (+34)
Aneurin Bevan University Health Board 58 (+17)
Swansea Bay University Health Board 84 (+36)
Hywel Dda University Health Board 22 (+14)
Powys Teaching Health Board 16 (+7)
Total 435 (+163)
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Dorcus
I like him, he says it as it is; no bullshit.
All bullshit
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Originally Posted by
19bluebirds27
Question was “why is Wales not following england”
Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.
I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
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life on mars
The breakdown of Omicron cases by health board :
Cardiff and Vale University Health Board 102 (+31)
Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board 67 (+24)
Cwm Taf Morgannwg University Health Board 86 (+34)
Aneurin Bevan University Health Board 58 (+17)
Swansea Bay University Health Board 84 (+36)
Hywel Dda University Health Board 22 (+14)
Powys Teaching Health Board 16 (+7)
Total 435 (+163)
Those look like the figures from 20th December based on this :
https://phw.nhs.wales/news/public-he...irus-in-wales/
To be fair those figures had only gone up by close to 1600% by the update of the 29th (7,369)
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Covid Hospitalisation Dec 21 v Dec 20 :
2020 1,600
2021 600
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life on mars
Covid Hospitalisation Dec 21 v Dec 20 :
2020 1,600
2021 600
how many would you like it to be?
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What happens is he and Sturgeon have a chat, decide what to do, usually should be different to England somehow and then that's what happens.
All in my opinion, I'm not privy to any such conversations although I'm sure they are exciting.
Drakeford and Welsh Labour only got covid passes through because one AM didn't bother to vote. Passes which a month or so later were to be considered worthless at outdoor events.
All leaders have been chancers during this time, I'm not convinced any know what they are doing or the route out of it.
What have they done to support the NHS during the summer to prepare.
Drakeford and co shutting things down and restricting things isn't the answer, it's just another side of Boris' coin of hoping it blows over.
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Lets see what the man of principle does before the first Welsh 6 nations games lots of votes there , as per the Autumn internationals that were allowed to go ahead . ???
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JamesWales
No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.
I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?
Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.
24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest
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delmbox
He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?
Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.
24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest
I agree and I 'like' him too even though I don't agree with his decisions particularly on COVID
He seems to answer questions directly whether you agree with the answers or not, where I'm fed up with Boris's bluster even though I wanted him as PM
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JamesWales
No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.
I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
That seems such an immature way to look at it. I'd be amazed if they only make decisions to be contrary to England.
It's often been the case that England has followed Wales and Scotland juts a few weeks later.
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
He's not wrong in saying that in the UK and most of Europe that England's approach is the exception rather than the norm though is he?
Also not wrong in saying that Boris Johnson is politically paralysed, he'd struggle to get any new restrictions past his own backbenchers.
24 NHS Trusts in England have now declared a critical incident, I think he got asked a (slightly leading) question and answered it pretty accurately to be honest
It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.
I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.
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JamesWales
No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.
I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
And the Dutch, French, Australians etc are also demonstrating that they are different to England or are they acting in the interests of their country and citizens?
Just remember, up to this point every postponement has been down to COVID, hospital waits are down to pressure from COVID and staff shortages in a whole range of public and private businesses are down to COVID, not due to some deranged decision from a leader determined to be ‘different’.
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Originally Posted by
19bluebirds27
Question was “why is Wales not following england”
Drakeford.
They have a government that is politically paralysed and the question is, why is england not taking steps
to protect its population such as Scotland,Northern Ireland and everyone else.
Because he (Boris) can’t get agreement from his cabinet to take actions from his advisors nor his MP’s.
Ooof dissing them in public was he? Won’t go down well when he’s outside number 10 with his begging bowl will it?
Shame he can’t admit over half the new hospital cases are people admitted for something else and they caught it in hospital whilst being treated for something else
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And you could argue that Labour has a 'political paralysis' as it seems English Labour supports Boris ,if Wales is so good why doesn't Sir Keir get aboard .
Covid Politics is being played out everywhere .
We have a weaker variant, it has big cases, small deaths , surely at some point that makes a difference .
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JamesWales
It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.
I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.
It’s hard not to politicise the answer when the question is why isn’t Wales doing the same as England I would have thought.
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goats
Ooof dissing them in public was he? Won’t go down well when he’s outside number 10 with his begging bowl will it?
Shame he can’t admit over half the new hospital cases are people admitted for something else and they caught it in hospital whilst being treated for something else
Begging bowl? Who helped the UK Government out when they didn’t have enough LFTs?
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the other bob wilson
Begging bowl? Who helped the UK Government out when they didn’t have enough LFTs?
Some of the shit that gets trotted out on this board about the Welsh Government and Senedd is frankly embarrassing. "Begging bowl", "Dripford" etc, some people seem unable to come to terms with a decision taken over 20 years ago! Fortunately they're in the minority nationally
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
It's a fair point on the 'political paralysis' but nonetheless it's an attack, whereas he could just say that England are doing what they think is best and we are doing what we think is best. He politicised the answer...although I suppose thats what politicians do, but it just feels like constant points scoring and I genuinely dont think that comes from England as much, although they certainly should be criticised in other respects.
I am not privy to all current restrictions across Europe but I don't think Englands approach is particularly an outlier. The restrictions are less severe than many countries I am sure, but I dont think they are alone, and there are numerous restrictions in place even if it is more liberal than Wales.
He is the First Minister, any answer he gives is political by default.
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life on mars
Or we need to do something different and we can always blame another government body , if business go bust, we have large unemployment , poverty and mental illness in years to come , we can blame Westminster .
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Its a cracking position to be in
Numbers turn out favourably for Wales --- look at us, we looked after you ( WIN )
Jobs down the pan, high unemployment --- its all Westminsters fault, not ours ( WIN )
it truly is a win - win situation, as they always have the evil empire ( England ) to blame
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City123
Some of the shit that gets trotted out on this board about the Welsh Government and Senedd is frankly embarrassing. "Begging bowl", "Dripford" etc, some people seem unable to come to terms with a decision taken over 20 years ago! Fortunately they're in the minority nationally
You know what, i was going to write something that attempted to explain why people feel the way they do about us as a nation having the ability to decide what is right for us, or at least as close as we can towards it, then i thought, nah, your post is enough for me :thumbup:
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blue matt
Its a cracking position to be in
Numbers turn out favourably for Wales --- look at us, we looked after you ( WIN )
Jobs down the pan, high unemployment --- its all Westminsters fault, not ours ( WIN )
it truly is a win - win situation, as they always have the evil empire ( England ) to blame
The WAG have got it easy, they only have to look after healthcare, whereas the costs not theirs to worry about.
The fraud is not their problem, so it's an easy stick to beat the UK government with
I just wish sometimes Boris would hold his hand up
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It's an odd situation we're in with many people in Wales calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions, because there's less in England. Whereas, on the other hand, Boris is finding himself under pressure from scientists and NHS leaders to do something about rising case rates and hospitalisations.
Who's right and who's wrong?
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WJ99mobile
The WAG have got it easy, they only have to look after healthcare, whereas the costs not theirs to worry about.
The fraud is not their problem, so it's an easy stick to beat the UK government with
I just wish sometimes Boris would hold his hand up
I wish sometimes Boris would hold his hand over his mouth.
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The Bloop
It's an odd situation we're in with many people in Wales calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions, because there's less in England.
Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
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The Lone Gunman
Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
No, but it's a comparison that's made quite often particularly in relation to hospitality and sport.
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Tuerto
You know what, i was going to write something that attempted to explain why people feel the way they do about us as a nation having the ability to decide what is right for us, or at least as close as we can towards it, then i thought, nah, your post is enough for me :thumbup:
I voted against a Welsh Assembly 20 years ago and I have always been against devolution. I'm not particularly into Welsh culture and I have always wanted a more Integrated Britain. I'm one of these who when asked on a form what my nationality is I always state British.
However, since Mr Drakeford has become leader and in comparison to the miasma of sleaze and confusion in Westminster I've started to change my mind. Yes there have been one or two calls Drakeford has made which I disagree with (who agrees with everyone all the time?) but I have been left with the reassuring feeling that we are in safe hands under his watch. I would be feeling decidedly different if I lived in England.
If an independent Welsh state would get us away from the Tories then it would get my vote now.
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The Bloop
No, but it's a comparison that's made quite often particularly in relation to hospitality and sport.
Fair enough. What I keep hearing from people who, like me, are sick to the back teeth of the restrictions Drakeford and Co keep imposing is that, now we have vaccines, boosters and Covid passports, we have to start learning to live with this damned virus come what may. And I also keep hearing people asking what the actual justification is for these restrictions when the situation is allegedly so much better now than it was this time last year, and also what the so-called 'science' is behind them. There seems to be a distinct scarcity of that at the moment.
I suppose we should look on the bright side, though. At least the venerable First Minister has downgraded the Omicron variant from a 'tsunami' to a 'storm', so things are looking up.
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The Lone Gunman
Fair enough. What I keep hearing from people who, like me, are sick to the back teeth of the restrictions Drakeford and Co keep imposing is that, now we have vaccines, boosters and Covid passports, we have to start learning to live with this damned virus come what may. And I also keep hearing people asking what the actual justification is for these restrictions when the situation is allegedly so much better now than it was this time last year, and also what the so-called 'science' is behind them. There seems to be a distinct scarcity of that at the moment.
I suppose we should look on the bright side, though. At least the venerable First Minister has downgraded the Omicron variant from a 'tsunami' to a 'storm', so things are looking up.
Take a look at the state of English NHS Trusts this Friday evening to see why something had to be done. We all hate restrictions - who does want them in a normal world? - but look at the consequences of this thing running wild.
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The Lone Gunman
Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
Nope
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Dorcus
I voted against a Welsh Assembly 20 years ago and I have always been against devolution. I'm not particularly into Welsh culture and I have always wanted a more Integrated Britain. I'm one of these who when asked on a form what my nationality is I always state British.
However, since Mr Drakeford has become leader and in comparison to the miasma of sleaze and confusion in Westminster I've started to change my mind. Yes there have been one or two calls Drakeford has made which I disagree with (who agrees with everyone all the time?) but I have been left with the reassuring feeling that we are in safe hands under his watch. I would be feeling decidedly different if I lived in England.
If an independent Welsh state would get us away from the Tories then it would get my vote now.
I voted for the welsh Assembly. purely based on the fact that any country worth it's salt should have the ability to make decisions directly, i'm all for devolved powers. I'm not a Nationalist though, and i wouldn't vote for independence, i would have some concerns over what we might get politically.
Drakeford is a good man, i've met him on a couple of occasions and he comes across as very caring, compassionate and principled. He has his faults and he has got things wrong, but overall i'm happy with him.
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JamesWales
No, he's just given an intensely political answer because from day one a sub plot of his entire strategy has been to emphasise that he is in charge and to create the impression of difference between England and Wales.
I'm not overly critical of his, or any leaders whole strategy as they have all made some mistakes, but the political angle has been quite noticeable in Wales and especially so in Scotland.
Shocking by both countries .
And they have both go it wrong . Its a bloody cold in the vast majority of cases...
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The Lone Gunman
Is that the only reason people are calling for Drakeford to ease restrictions?
From my perspective , yes . Drakeford and Sturgeon rolled the political dice , they are suffocating their countries for political gain.
And the dice isn't going to come in this time......
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the other bob wilson
Begging bowl? Who helped the UK Government out when they didn’t have enough LFTs?
They still haven't got enough LFTs.
Boris Johnson announced his Plan B for England on 8 December. We tried to get hold of LFTs from pharmacies in Sheffield from the following day. Tried over 20 pharmacies in a 10 mile radius regularly. No chance. None in stock and they have never been in stock for more than a few hours a few times a week - and never at a time when we try to get them. Plan B relied on self testing with LFTs - and it has been a shambles from day one.
Welsh LFT Aid never made it as far as us, but it is one small indication of where the planning and competence was - not in England!
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jon1959
They still haven't got enough LFTs.
Boris Johnson announced his Plan B for England on 8 December. We tried to get hold of LFTs from pharmacies in Sheffield from the following day. Tried over 20 pharmacies in a 10 mile radius regularly. No chance. None in stock and they have never been in stock for more than a few hours a few times a week - and never at a time when we try to get them. Plan B relied on self testing with LFTs - and it has been a shambles from day one.
Welsh LFT Aid never made it as far as us, but it is one small indication of where the planning and competence was - not in England!
Drakeford will be accused of wasting tax payers money by ordering too many LFT's .
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Jimmy the Jock
From my perspective , yes . Drakeford and Sturgeon rolled the political dice , they are suffocating their countries for political gain.
And the dice isn't going to come in this time......
Explain to me how they gain politically from their actions.
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jon1959
They still haven't got enough LFTs.
Boris Johnson announced his Plan B for England on 8 December. We tried to get hold of LFTs from pharmacies in Sheffield from the following day. Tried over 20 pharmacies in a 10 mile radius regularly. No chance. None in stock and they have never been in stock for more than a few hours a few times a week - and never at a time when we try to get them. Plan B relied on self testing with LFTs - and it has been a shambles from day one.
Welsh LFT Aid never made it as far as us, but it is one small indication of where the planning and competence was - not in England!
This whole issue of LFTs is a farce. At short notice the politicians in the home nations decide the need for more flow tests. As with any supply surge it needs managing. The way we in Wales ( and probably England) was to get a well known UK wide pharmaceutical wholesaler to distribute these to pharmacies. Health authorities oversaw the issue and for expedience most pharmacies got a large box full of tests per day, whether a busy high street chemist or a quiet village pharmacy. Then the wholesaler stopped distribution from Christmas Eve until 29th December as they closed for Christmas!
As for Wales kind gesture to England in supplying 1 million tests, very short sighted as many of the local pharmacies in my area of Cardiff have not been able to get supplies and from news bulletins this seems to be a problem throughout Wales.
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lisvaneblue
This whole issue of LFTs is a farce. At short notice the politicians in the home nations decide the need for more flow tests. As with any supply surge it needs managing. The way we in Wales ( and probably England) was to get a well known UK wide pharmaceutical wholesaler to distribute these to pharmacies. Health authorities oversaw the issue and for expedience most pharmacies got a large box full of tests per day, whether a busy high street chemist or a quiet village pharmacy. Then the wholesaler stopped distribution from Christmas Eve until 29th December as they closed for Christmas!
As for Wales kind gesture to England in supplying 1 million tests, very short sighted as many of the local pharmacies in my area of Cardiff have not been able to get supplies and from news bulletins this seems to be a problem throughout Wales.
We have registered online and we get our LFT's delivered for free, without fail. Fantastic service. You should try it if you're having problems.