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I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
Despite our “Promotion is our target” statement I don’t think we can be said to be walking the talk. Maybe that will change in the next couple of days.
Are any other clubs doing so?
If so, who will be successful?
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
We haven't shown much ambition over the last few seasons, since Malky was given some funds to win promotion.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
BLUEAWAY
Despite our “Promotion is our target” statement I don’t think we can be said to be walking the talk. Maybe that will change in the next couple of days.
Are any other clubs doing so?
If so, who will be successful?
We are investing like a team promoted from league 1 who would be happy to consolidate in the championship not a team that’s been relegated from the Prem with parachute payments and looking to bounce straight back up.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
We had a soft transfer embargo until a few weeks ago and since this has ended we are signing players all over the place. Whether it works out or not I have no idea but our owners are showing serious ambition. Joao signed today for around £5 million and Puskas believed to be signing tomorrow for £9 million.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
BLUEAWAY
Despite our “Promotion is our target” statement I don’t think we can be said to be walking the talk. Maybe that will change in the next couple of days.
Are any other clubs doing so?
If so, who will be successful?
Leeds have sold their best striker and best centre back for peanuts. Reminds me of someone actually :hehe:.
In all seriousness, I don't think Leeds have showed anything this summer. It's been a very odd transfer window.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
Finding a direct link between "football ambition" and "money spent" leads to pissed off Newcastle fans or Bury fans worried about having a club. Every football club has the ambition to get promoted but some clubs are more like Swansea are currently where their restricted budget means their ambition is on the basis of well-funded academy stepping up to produce cheap stars. Derby have had high hopes for several seasons based on money spent and got absolutely nowhere.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
Leeds have a squad of sbout 19 players
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
I thought Derby were supposed to be fu¢ked if they didn't go up last season. What happened to that?
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I thought Derby were supposed to be fu¢ked if they didn't go up last season. What happened to that?
Supposedly 32Red are supporting Rooney’s £100k a week wages, he will wear No.32 and if you saw his interview yesterday they will maximise promotIonal activities on the back of it, the only surprise is that he hasn’t had their logo tattooed on his forehead!
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Stavross1927
Supposedly 32Red are supporting Rooney’s £100k a week wages, he will wear No.32 and if you saw his interview yesterday they will maximise promotIonal activities on the back of it, the only surprise is that he hasn’t had their logo tattooed on his forehead!
A weird one, it wasn’t that long ago he was banging on how nice it was in the states and that he could do so much he couldn’t do over here....bailing out first opportunity Wayne
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
We had a soft transfer embargo until a few weeks ago and since this has ended we are signing players all over the place. Whether it works out or not I have no idea but our owners are showing serious ambition. Joao signed today for around £5 million and Puskas believed to be signing tomorrow for £9 million.
Puskas??? We’re signing Di Stefano then 🤪
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
We spent most of last season preparing for the championship and we succeeded. So far I haven't seen many signs of us preparing for the Premier league. Will still be there on Saturday mind you.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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goats
A weird one, it wasn’t that long ago he was banging on how nice it was in the states and that he could do so much he couldn’t do over here....bailing out first opportunity Wayne
His Mrs wanted to come home
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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J R Hartley
We are investing like a team promoted from league 1 who would be happy to consolidate in the championship not a team that’s been relegated from the Prem with parachute payments and looking to bounce straight back up.
We are investing like a team worried about going to league one!
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I thought Derby were supposed to be fu¢ked if they didn't go up last season. What happened to that?
Creative accounting. They sold their ground to their owner
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
I think Derby County are ring fenced from the ffp rules.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Eric the Half a Bee
We haven't shown much ambition over the last few seasons, since Malky was given some funds to win promotion.
Is Mr Tan , who has been extremely generous over the last few years keeping the club afloat , recuperating some of his investment?
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
We haven't shown much ambition over the last few seasons, since Malky was given some funds to win promotion.
Derby have lost Mason Mount and Harry Wilson, who were their best players last season and just signed a has been striker who's legs had gone two years ago. Leeds just sold their best striker for £7m with no replacement lined up yet, their best young player to Spurs for £8.5m and also sold their captain centre half earlier in the window. Leeds have signed a number of players from lower leagues on loan as well. We have probably spent more than both of them this summer. Fulham and Villa are golden examples of how not to run a club, by throwing money at it. Theres ambition and then there is stupid ambition which teams like Fulham and Villa have in spades. Our squad is now considerably better than it was two years ago.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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dml1954
Our squad is now considerably better than it was two years ago.
I agree with you but I'm not sure about that. We are so light in midfield at the moment and we've got weaker at centre half too.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
Derby have lost Mason Mount and Harry Wilson, who were their best players last season and just signed a has been striker who's legs had gone two years ago. Leeds just sold their best striker for £7m with no replacement lined up yet, their best young player to Spurs for £8.5m and also sold their captain centre half earlier in the window. Leeds have signed a number of players from lower leagues on loan as well. We have probably spent more than both of them this summer. Fulham and Villa are golden examples of how not to run a club, by throwing money at it. Theres ambition and then there is stupid ambition which teams like Fulham and Villa have in spades. Our squad is now considerably better than it was two years ago.
Why?
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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the other bob wilson
Why?
How more like
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Rjk
Creative accounting. They sold their ground to their owner
:thumbup:
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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dml1954
Our squad is now considerably better than it was two years ago.
Bamba is injured and we've sold Manga. We've replaced them with the glacially slow Flint, and Nelson who is unproven at this level.
We had Bryson, Halford, Grujic, Damour and Gunnar in 17/18. We had Gunnar, Camarasa and Arter in 18/19. We've replaced them with Vaulks. That's it.
We look like we're going to lose Cunningham, so we have no left back cover.
We're stronger out wide (although if Hoilett isn't the same player that's debatable) then we're probably breaking even out wide, and we've got Bobby Reid. Our inability to see us strengthen has seen us stay the same in goal, left back is the same, Peltier will be 34 by the time the season ends, so we've gone backwards there, we've sold our best centre back, we have THREE centre mids, which is frankly laughable, three attacking mids (including Paterson), good wingers and 6 strikers. It's a mess.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
Theres ambition and then there is stupid ambition which teams like Fulham and Villa have in spades. Our squad is now considerably better than it was two years ago.[/QUOTE]
I'm not negative at all about City certainly not on this board but that is plainly not true. Our midfield is threadbare Bacuna, Ralls and Vaulks is not a dynamic midfield by any stretch of the imagination and if we don't add to it with some class in there (I think we need 2 players) we will not control many if any games. I honestly think Neil thinks Paterson is going to be the answer in there and whilst you cannot doubt his enthusiasm and commitment he's not exactly a dominant CM. We have pace out wide and by the looks of things with the signings of Gratzel and Vassel (if it happens) up front pace up front though we have no idea if they will find the net regularly - I think Vassel is going to be back up to Gratzel as Neil isn't going to change his tactics - there will be no room for Madine, Bogle or Ward by the looks of things as we will only play one up front
Our defence and midfield are definitely slower and we have no idea if our forwards are going to be reliable goal scorers as we haven't seen them
No panic yet as I'm hopeful for our next couple of games but this transfer window has been poor IMO
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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dml1954
Our squad is now considerably better than it was two years ago.
Hopefully we'll still be pushing for the playoffs this season but I can't see how you come to this conclusion
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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delmbox
Hopefully we'll still be pushing for the playoffs this season but I can't see how you come to this conclusion
i would say the opposite..it's worse
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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the other bob wilson
Why?
Because our defence is more "experienced"?
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splott parker
Puskas??? We’re signing Di Stefano then
We also have Moore and Pele on our books.:biggrin:
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Originally Posted by
Pug
We are investing like a team worried about going to league one!
It’s been an absolutey shocker of a transfer window. I thought last summers was bad but this one takes the biscuit.
Unless you’ve got the Cardiff City and Neil Warnock can do no wrong blinkers on then I’m afraid there’s no other way to dress it up. Absolute shit show.
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J R Hartley
It’s been an absolutey shocker of a transfer window. I thought last summers was bad but this one takes the biscuit.
Unless you’ve got the Cardiff City and Neil Warnock can do no wrong blinkers on then I’m afraid there’s no other way to dress it up. Absolute shit show.
From afar it doesn’t seem that way to me. Look at what happened when Swansea went down. They had a fire sale. That hasn’t happened at Cardiff where most of your squad is still in place. You have a strong squad and should be top six this season. Warnock knows what he is doing at this level.
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Pearcey3
From afar it doesn’t seem that way to me. Look at what happened when Swansea went down. They had a fire sale. That hasn’t happened at Cardiff where most of your squad is still in place. You have a strong squad and should be top six this season. Warnock knows what he is doing at this level.
We were promoted with a squad of Championship players. We played in the Premiership with a squad of Championship players and we have started this season, with on paper, an inferior squad.
My hope is that some of our players will be better having had the Premiership experience and that the new guys surprise us.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
From afar it doesn’t seem that way to me. Look at what happened when Swansea went down. They had a fire sale. That hasn’t happened at Cardiff where most of your squad is still in place. You have a strong squad and should be top six this season. Warnock knows what he is doing at this level.
Agree with this totally. It saddens me that it takes a poster who actually follows another club to point it out. Some of our fans are too entrenched in their opinions to realise it.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
From afar it doesn’t seem that way to me. Look at what happened when Swansea went down. They had a fire sale. That hasn’t happened at Cardiff where most of your squad is still in place. You have a strong squad and should be top six this season. Warnock knows what he is doing at this level.
Most of last seasons team is not still in place. We’ve lost Gunnarson, Camarasa, Arter, Manga and Zohore and also Bamba and Etheridge out with long term injury.
Few of them have been replaced and those that have, have not been replaced by the same quality. Except perhaps Zohore for the German fella but that’s another venture into the unknown when our rivals are signing proven Championship quality.
Warnock banged on about signing quality, and Dalman said we were going to be giving it a real go it’s just talking the talk. Heard it for too many windows now. We are scraping the barrel for the sales in the bargain basement again.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Most of last seasons team is not still in place. We’ve lost Gunnarson, Camarasa, Arter, Manga and Zohore and also Bamba and Etheridge out with long term injury.
Few of them have been replaced and those that have, have not been replaced by the same quality. Except perhaps Zohore for the German fella but that’s another venture into the unknown when our rivals are signing proven Championship quality.
Warnock banged on about signing quality, and Dalman said we were going to be giving it a real go it’s just talking the talk. Heard it for too many windows now. We are scraping the barrel for the sales in the bargain basement again.
I agree with this. There's no way our signings are "giving it a real go".
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Most of last seasons team is not still in place. We’ve lost Gunnarson, Camarasa, Arter, Manga and Zohore and also Bamba and Etheridge out with long term injury.
Few of them have been replaced and those that have, have not been replaced by the same quality. Except perhaps Zohore for the German fella but that’s another venture into the unknown when our rivals are signing proven Championship quality.
Warnock banged on about signing quality, and Dalman said we were going to be giving it a real go it’s just talking the talk. Heard it for too many windows now. We are scraping the barrel for the sales in the bargain basement again.
You have named five players that have gone. Two are still at the club but injured. You have signed quality Championship players in Vaulks and Flint plus brought in a good keeper in Joe Day. You are also in for Vassell who Brum don’t want to lose plus you have signed the German lad. So you have a squad of similar quality to two seasons ago.
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Originally Posted by
Pearcey3
You have named five players that have gone. Two are still at the club but injured. You have signed quality Championship players in Vaulks and Flint plus brought in a good keeper in Joe Day. You are also in for Vassell who Brum don’t want to lose plus you have signed the German lad. So you have a squad of similar quality to two seasons ago.
So a squad of similar quality as 2 years ago having spent over 40m net on it. Terrific.
Flint has just come off an horrendous season by his own admission and is also far too similar to Morrison to play together as demonstrated at Wigan. Any teams playing with pace will kill them. Who knows what Bamba is going to be like coming off such a serious injury at his age.
Vaulks can’t even get in the team at the expense of Bacuna.
The German is an unknown quantity and Birmingham don’t want to get rid of Vasell. Whoppee doo.
If that’s going for it I can wait to see what tightening the purse strings is going to look like.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
Forest have signed Carl Jenkinson today for an undisclosed fee.
It's probably not the case, but it feels like everyone is strengthening well... except us.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
That sums it up I think. Bacuna is one of the central midfielders we have too, and Damour if he stays.
Looks like all the big money is in the PL and not much else happening in the Championship except for clubs selling. Bristol City have sold two players this summer for £20m and £13m, we sold Zohore and Manga for a combined £11m maximum!
Still time until tomorrow for things to change though.
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
How do you rate Bacuna P3 - we've not seen enough of him yet?
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Re: I think it fair to say that Leeds and Derby are demonstrating ambition. Are any other Championships clubs doing the same?
There are a number of players that we have not seen enough of:
Bacuna, Cunningham, Reid, Madine, Ward, Smithies and Tomlin.
And of course we haven’t seen any of the new players so can only hope they turn out to be better than the above, not simply cheaper.