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Brexit and the Bluebirds
Some interesting stuff on Brexit from Steve Morison earlier in the week. When asked why the club had signed just one player from abroad this summer (Jamilu Collins), he replied:
"The biggest problem with abroad is that they need to have a certain amount of points, they need fifteen points minimum. Jamilu had his points because he's played for Nigeria. He got his points by a few other things and it all added up and I think he got in by one point.
"Some players you start looking at as a recruitment team and think, 'Oh, he looks good'. You look into it, send all of the stuff over to them and then you find out he has only got twelve points, so you can't do it. So it's Brexit that's caused it to be more difficult. Unless you're signing them from the top European divisions, from the Bundesliga or Ligue 1 or Serie A, then it's a lot more difficult to bring players over here."
This set me thinking about City players from the recent past who maybe wouldn't have been able to sign for the club if the rules had been the same before Brexit and I reckon there are plenty, including Rudy Gestede, Loic Damour and Robert Glatzel. Perhaps even Bluebirds legend Andreas Cornelius wouldn't have been considered eligible, but it's all guesswork as I have no idea how the new system works.
Does anyone know how players accumulate points under this arrangement?
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I'm sure there are some on here who like a table. The points system is described in a PDF on the FA Website - GBE Mens Players Criteria Jan 2021 861.9KB (PDF) (thefa.com)
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My understanding is that we now have a points based immigration system that is equally applied around the world, whether you are in Germany or Ghana, whereas before signing from within the EU would have been easier.
The points based system applies across all sectors, unless the govt choose to loosen them in certain circumstances, such as if there was a nursing shortage or a lack of fork lift truck drivers or -theoretically-footballers.
It seems like a heck of a process to asign points for many different sectors, but I assume that points are accumulated based on different factors like salary, age, qualifications etc. That may be easier if talking about nurses, but probably harder to define for footballers. I guess the nearest to a qualification a footballer has is the league they are playing in, which would fit with SteMo's comment that it's easier to buy from the top leagues rather than lower down, the general principle being that the UK will take "the best from abroad" or otherwise you "hire or train up people locally". Sounds better for bricklayers or plumbers than footballers I suppose, but I guess thats the principle.
Edit: More on it here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...selling%20club.
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PontBlue
Good grief, that's heavy going. Good luck to anyone having to work with that lot.
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I hope he's not going to use that as an excuse. Same rules for everyone in the division.
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Lither_1927
I hope he's not going to use that as an excuse. Same rules for everyone in the division.
He (Steve Morison) used it as an explanation for why we hadn't brought in more players this window from European leagues.
He was asked the question - and he answered it.
Yes the rules apply to all teams equally.
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Morison definitely voted leave
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delmbox
Morison definitely voted leave
100%.
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jon1959
He (Steve Morison) used it as an explanation for why we hadn't brought in more players this window from European leagues.
He was asked the question - and he answered it.
Yes the rules apply to all teams equally.
Unless you’re trying to sign someone on loan it seems.
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the other bob wilson
Unless you’re trying to sign someone on loan it seems.
In which case, don't be Welsh.
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delmbox
Morison definitely voted leave
Millwall player, explains it. He'd have been in trouble with their fans if he hadn't.
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Good for Brittish players then, they will get the jobs and the wages and it's the same for all teams.
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I'd love to know who the players we would have tried to get are
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North Cardiff Blue
Good for Brittish players then, they will get the jobs and the wages and it's the same for all teams.
I notice this doesn't affect the top end of the market. I used to get fed up when some people would say that all the foreigners in the Premier League are stopping British players from developing. British players needed to up their game and be good enough. We would never have had the growth in the PL without foreigners and I dare say it is having a positive effect on British players, who now have to compete with foreign players.
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there have never been as many talented young English and Welsh players as there are at the moment
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North Cardiff Blue
Good for Brittish players then, they will get the jobs and the wages and it's the same for all teams.
Although if they don't manage to get a job over here, they now won't be able to get a job over there.
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Given the BREXIT situation I wonder why the Bosman ruling remains applicable in football?
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All clubs are in the same position so but of a moot point
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WJ99mobile
All clubs are in the same position so but of a moot point
I guess that depends what your point is or if you even have one.
From my perspective, it’d be interesting to know which foreign players City and other clubs would have been unable to sign had the Brexit rules been in place in the past. For instance, would Leicester have been able to sign Riyad Mahrez? Would Coventry have been able to sign Aron Gunnarsson? I’ve no idea, but it seems unlikely.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I notice this doesn't affect the top end of the market. I used to get fed up when some people would say that all the foreigners in the Premier League are stopping British players from developing. British players needed to up their game and be good enough. We would never have had the growth in the PL without foreigners and I dare say it is having a positive effect on British players, who now have to compete with foreign players.
Agreed with a lot of younger brittish players getting their first opportunities on loan to Championship clubs.
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Vindec
Given the BREXIT situation I wonder why the Bosman ruling remains applicable in football?
FIFA amended their transfer regulations in response to the Bosman ruling, hence the current system of "free transfers" for players over 23 but a "compensation" system for players under 23.
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The Lone Gunman
I guess that depends what your point is or if you even have one.
From my perspective, it’d be interesting to know which foreign players City and other clubs would have been unable to sign had the Brexit rules been in place in the past. For instance, would Leicester have been able to sign Riyad Mahrez? Would Coventry have been able to sign Aron Gunnarsson? I’ve no idea, but it seems unlikely.
Gunnersson would have probably had a lot of points?
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North Cardiff Blue
Gunnersson would have probably had a lot of points?
I doubt it, Iceland wouldn't have been ranked high enough would they?
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North Cardiff Blue
Gunnersson would have probably had a lot of points?
I doubt it. He was 19 when he signed for Coventry and had made just one appearance for AZ Alkmaar.
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using an online tool it seems that the young striker at Kortrijk Pape Habib Gueye would only get 14 points
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North Cardiff Blue
Agreed with a lot of younger brittish players getting their first opportunities on loan to Championship clubs.
Torries/Brittish ? Has your keyboard got a stammer?:hehe:
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The Lone Gunman
I guess that depends what your point is or if you even have one.
From my perspective, it’d be interesting to know which foreign players City and other clubs would have been unable to sign had the Brexit rules been in place in the past. For instance, would Leicester have been able to sign Riyad Mahrez? Would Coventry have been able to sign Aron Gunnarsson? I’ve no idea, but it seems unlikely.
My point is Steve Morrisons job of recruitment is no more difficult than any other manager in the division
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WJ99mobile
My point is Steve Morrisons job of recruitment is no more difficult than any other manager in the division
In fairness to him, he didn’t claim it was.
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An interesting change anyway. Will be useful to see how the change impacts on the quality of the football league and non-league going forward. Can see an argument for how it will improve it, but also how it could negatively impact.
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JamesWales
An interesting change anyway. Will be useful to see how the change impacts on the quality of the football league and non-league going forward. Can see an argument for how it will improve it, but also how it could negatively impact.
it won't affect the biggest clubs, as they can still pretty easily buy who they want, and if there's a real issue many of them have tie-ins with foreign clubs.
it will make it more difficult for smaller EFL teams to close the gap with the established premier League clubs, as we have a smaller pool of players to choose from.
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The Lone Gunman
I guess that depends what your point is or if you even have one.
From my perspective, it’d be interesting to know which foreign players City and other clubs would have been unable to sign had the Brexit rules been in place in the past. For instance, would Leicester have been able to sign Riyad Mahrez? Would Coventry have been able to sign Aron Gunnarsson? I’ve no idea, but it seems unlikely.
That's it cancel Brexit. Signing Riyad Mahrez for Leicester is far more important.
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Lither_1927
That's it cancel Brexit. Signing Riyad Mahrez for Leicester is far more important.
It’s high time you were cancelled, but no doubt you’ll slope off soon enough before reappearing under yet another new username.
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Lither_1927
That's it cancel Brexit. Signing Riyad Mahrez for Leicester is far more important.
More important than... what, in your eyes? What's Brexit achieved for our nation in the 6 years since the vote? What positives have outweighed the negatives?
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Rjk
it won't affect the biggest clubs, as they can still pretty easily buy who they want, and if there's a real issue many of them have tie-ins with foreign clubs.
it will make it more difficult for smaller EFL teams to close the gap with the established premier League clubs, as we have a smaller pool of players to choose from.
I see your rationale, but maybe that's the case, maybe not. But the gap between the biggest clubs and the rest only got worse in the 1990s-2020s, so hardly an endorsement of the status quo.
Changes in things like this can bring about unexpected changes in outcomes.
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The Lone Gunman
It’s high time you were cancelled, but no doubt you’ll slope off soon enough before reappearing under yet another new username.
I'm not a multi, you're paranoid. And stop making anti Brexit posts, then pretending it's otherwise. Absolutely nobody is convinced by your protestations. But...But... "Riyad Mahrez to Leicester!" i hear you cry... LOL
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Canton Kev
More important than... what, in your eyes? What's Brexit achieved for our nation in the 6 years since the vote? What positives have outweighed the negatives?
We have removed the Democratic Defficit between the electorate and the beaurocrats . I'd say that's pretty big...Kevin.
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Lither_1927
We have removed the Democratic Defficit between the electorate and the beaurocrats . I'd say that's pretty big...Kevin.
Is it removed?
Our head of state is unelected. The house of lords is full of unelected peers who hold their position for life. And our next Prime Minister is set to be chosen by only 200,000 people out of ~45million eligible voters.
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Canton Kev
Is it removed?
Our head of state is unelected. The house of lords is full of unelected peers who hold their position for life. And our next Prime Minister is set to be chosen by only 200,000 people out of ~45million eligible voters.
And you think another layer of distant bureaucrats help with your complaint? LOL
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Plenty of threads for Brexit arguments.
I actually found this one quite an interesting, informative (and respectful) one about the real life impacts of leaving the EU on Cardiff City.
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JamesWales
Plenty of threads for Brexit arguments.
I actually found this one quite an interesting, informative (and respectful) one about the real life impacts of leaving the EU on Cardiff City.
That's nice James, i suppose the law has been layed down then. But the OP was actually a Brexit post.