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EGG, Ospreys moving out of the “TIN SHACK”
Bradley, who was appointed CEO in January, has been focused on relocating the team to a new stadium, with Brewery Field one of three potential options alongside St Helen's in Swansea and The Gnoll in Neath. While a decision is yet to be reached, he already knows that the move away from the Swansea.com Stadium is the correct one with his thinking somewhat confirmed by Saturday's win.
Will this reduce the Jacks income ?
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It’s not that bad a stadium to be honest and it generates a good atmosphere.
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TWGL1
It’s not that bad a stadium to be honest and it generates a good atmosphere.
The Liberty ?
It's the perfect size for Swansea
And our stadium is far too big for us unless we are in the top flight
I personally think one of the main reasons why we are so crap at home is the awful atmosphere of a half empty ground
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Pretty sure it's council owned isn't it?
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Bridgend would be silly to be the new location, as too near Cardiff...
They should play in Neath or Llanelli.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The Liberty ?
It's the perfect size for Swansea
And our stadium is far too big for us unless we are in the top flight
I personally think one of the main reasons why we are so crap at home is the awful atmosphere of a half empty ground
The crap football and shit home record probably has more to do with it
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I personally think one of the main reasons why we are so crap at home is the awful atmosphere of a half empty ground
Codswallop.
Some of our crowds in our Warnock promotion season weren't great. Didn't stop us winning promotion. Rubbish crowds didn't stop us winning promotion from the old Division 4 at Ninian Park.
I will agree that the atmosphere is awful at home games, though. It's been pretty abysmal when we've nearly sold out for the defeats at home to Swansea.
I have yet to hear an ex-player/pundit say that it's up to the fans to generate an atmosphere. They'll all say it's up to the players to start at a high tempo and get the fans behind them.
I also think that we've got a new generation of fans who don't chant that much during games, regardless of how well or poorly we play. How many new chants do we hear at home games? When was the last time we had a chant that stuck for several games? I can't remember one. I don't think this is just a Cardiff City thing, either. I notice it a lot when I watch football on TV that fans don't tend to sing and chant as they did 20 years ago.
So, no I don't think a half empty, quiet stadium makes too much of a difference. I reckon there's far more that affects our home form and it ain't to do with the fans.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Codswallop.
Some of our crowds in our Warnock promotion season weren't great. Didn't stop us winning promotion. Rubbish crowds didn't stop us winning promotion from the old Division 4 at Ninian Park.
I will agree that the atmosphere is awful at home games, though. It's been pretty abysmal when we've nearly sold out for the defeats at home to Swansea.
I have yet to hear an ex-player/pundit say that it's up to the fans to generate an atmosphere. They'll all say it's up to the players to start at a high tempo and get the fans behind them.
I also think that we've got a new generation of fans who don't chant that much during games, regardless of how well or poorly we play. How many new chants do we hear at home games? When was the last time we had a chant that stuck for several games? I can't remember one. I don't think this is just a Cardiff City thing, either. I notice it a lot when I watch football on TV that fans don't tend to sing and chant as they did 20 years ago.
So, no I don't think a half empty, quiet stadium makes too much of a difference. I reckon there's far more that affects our home form and it ain't to do with the fans.
You have said that a couple of times Eric. I was watching the Forest - Spurs game on Sunday and the commentator (and co commentator) said a few times that Spurs needed their crowd to lift them. It is not uncommon.
That said, I agree the responsibility for the atmosphere rests mainly with the team on the pitch.
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jon1959
You have said that a couple of times Eric. I was watching the Forest - Spurs game on Sunday and the commentator (and co commentator) said a few times that Spurs needed their crowd to lift them. It is not uncommon.
That said, I agree the responsibility for the atmosphere rests mainly with the team on the pitch.
I've heard commentators say that, but they're not ex players.
I would agree that there might be times in a game where fans need to give their team a lift. We've seen it with Wales and singing of the national anthem in particular. That certainly doesn't happen with Cardiff City (and probably lots of other club sides). I think, in our case, it's nothing to do with a half empty stadium, but the feeling of "here we go again".
I wasn't at the Ipswich game due to illness. I wonder if the atmosphere was better then?
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I wasn't at the Ipswich game due to illness. I wonder if the atmosphere was better then?
From the 93rd to the 99th minute, it was ecstatic :hehe:
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BLUETIT
I wasn't at the Ipswich game due to illness. I wonder if the atmosphere was better then?
From the 93rd to the 99th minute, it was ecstatic :hehe:
Was that euphoria or shock?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Codswallop.
Some of our crowds in our Warnock promotion season weren't great. Didn't stop us winning promotion. Rubbish crowds didn't stop us winning promotion from the old Division 4 at Ninian Park.
I will agree that the atmosphere is awful at home games, though. It's been pretty abysmal when we've nearly sold out for the defeats at home to Swansea.
I have yet to hear an ex-player/pundit say that it's up to the fans to generate an atmosphere. They'll all say it's up to the players to start at a high tempo and get the fans behind them.
I also think that we've got a new generation of fans who don't chant that much during games, regardless of how well or poorly we play. How many new chants do we hear at home games? When was the last time we had a chant that stuck for several games? I can't remember one. I don't think this is just a Cardiff City thing, either. I notice it a lot when I watch football on TV that fans don't tend to sing and chant as they did 20 years ago.
So, no I don't think a half empty, quiet stadium makes too much of a difference. I reckon there's far more that affects our home form and it ain't to do with the fans.
The ground is dead
Even 20 k and the place is lifeless
Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better
The ground is too big
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The ground is dead
Even 20 k and the place is lifeless
Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better
The ground is too big
So 20k not singing or chanting in a 26k stadium would be better than 20k not singing or chanting in a 32k stadium? This is going to take some working out.....
Similarly, what about the days when Ninian Park could create quite a racket when it wasn't even half full?
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Eric the Half a Bee
So 20k not singing or chanting in a 26k stadium would be better than 20k not singing or chanting in a 32k stadium? This is going to take some working out.....
Similarly, what about the days when Ninian Park could create quite a racket when it wasn't even half full?
I had season tickets for me and the kids for the ospreys when they first went to the liberty and there were some great nights atmosphere especially in the European cup but the TV timings ruined most attendances as it varied so much but it was a depressing place with really low attendances - much better to share it between stradey and the gnoll in my humble opinion - better experience and better atmosphere
As for our place - far too big for us and the size of our club regardless of the odd sell out when in the prem or promotion championship games but atmosphere is created by the entertainment and the example i would use would be the reading game when promoted under Warnock - my memory of that was that it was a dreadful game and very little atmosphere until news started to filter through that Fulham were losing
Been some great atmospheres in the new stadium and some terrible ones and the same at ninian park regardless of the crowd size - one advantage ninian had was terracing which I feel adds something to watching football that all seaters or standing by seats doesn't offer
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Armitage Shanks
Bridgend would be silly to be the new location, as too near Cardiff...
They should play in Neath or Llanelli.
You'll find that the Ospreys won't be welcome in Llanelli.
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Neath is the obvious choice and it may help the club survive.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The Liberty ?
It's the perfect size for Swansea
And our stadium is far too big for us unless we are in the top flight
I personally think one of the main reasons why we are so crap at home is the awful atmosphere of a half empty ground
MK Dons are on the verge of promotion with an 80% empty stadium.
QPR and Plymouth are staring down the barrel of relegation with 90% full stadiums.
I won’t even mention Rotherham…
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The ground is dead
Even 20 k and the place is lifeless
Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better
The ground is too big
20k? Come on. There's barely half that most games. I know it's announced as 20k but......
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BLUETIT
Bradley, who was appointed CEO in January, has been focused on relocating the team to a new stadium, with Brewery Field one of three potential options alongside St Helen's in Swansea and The Gnoll in Neath. While a decision is yet to be reached, he already knows that the move away from the Swansea.com Stadium is the correct one with his thinking somewhat confirmed by Saturday's win.
Will this reduce the Jacks income ?
This was announced months ago. No news since then though?
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Nobody's Rep
I had season tickets for me and the kids for the ospreys when they first went to the liberty and there were some great nights atmosphere especially in the European cup but the TV timings ruined most attendances as it varied so much but it was a depressing place with really low attendances - much better to share it between stradey and the gnoll in my humble opinion - better experience and better atmosphere
As for our place - far too big for us and the size of our club regardless of the odd sell out when in the prem or promotion championship games but atmosphere is created by the entertainment and the example i would use would be the reading game when promoted under Warnock - my memory of that was that it was a dreadful game and very little atmosphere until news started to filter through that Fulham were losing
Been some great atmospheres in the new stadium and some terrible ones and the same at ninian park regardless of the crowd size - one advantage ninian had was terracing which I feel adds something to watching football that all seaters or standing by seats doesn't offer
The reading game? Are you sure??
Warnock said was the loudest he has ever heard a set of fans. We're the famous cardiff city........ that song peaked that day. Been downhill since then mind.
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Canton Kev
MK Dons are on the verge of promotion with an 80% empty stadium.
QPR and Plymouth are staring down the barrel of relegation with 90% full stadiums.
I won’t even mention Rotherham…
I am a Cardiff City fan I have no idea about the atmospheres at QPR etc
The ground is too big for us
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Father Dougal
20k? Come on. There's barely half that most games. I know it's announced as 20k but......
Well I wasn't going to say it but 12 to 14 k is our approximate gate for a lot of our games
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Father Dougal
The reading game? Are you sure??
Warnock said was the loudest he has ever heard a set of fans. We're the famous cardiff city........ that song peaked that day. Been downhill since then mind.
Doesn't stick in my mind in terms of atmosphere and be fair Warnock does come out with some pearlers doesn't he - he knows how to play to a crowd 🤔 he's my kind of person
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If the arrest at the Wrexham game the other day is anything to go by then our limited repertoire of uninventive chants is about to get a whole lot slimmer, almost certainly without replacement.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I am a Cardiff City fan I have no idea about the atmospheres at QPR etc
The ground is too big for us
Don’t you go to away games? You complain about out away crowds quite a lot so I assume you’re a regular.
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Canton Kev
Don’t you go to away games? You complain about out away crowds quite a lot so I assume you’re a regular.
Yes but not every one
How about you ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Yes but not every one
How about you ?
Several times a season.
QPR have a crap atmosphere despite most games being close to a home sellout and having a tight compact stadium with stands very close to the pitch.
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Canton Kev
Several times a season.
QPR have a crap atmosphere despite most games being close to a home sellout and having a tight compact stadium with stands very close to the pitch.
But that's them
580 at Birmingham last night
The ones that went are great fans but that's a poor away support for us
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The ground is dead
Even 20 k and the place is lifeless
Put 20 k in a 26 000 stadium and things would be a lot better
The ground is too big
Being as it's only the upper tier of the Ninian that is unpopulated for games, how is that any worse than having fresh air above a stand there?
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Taunton Blue Genie
Being as it's only the upper tier of the Ninian that is unpopulated for games, how is that any worse than having fresh air above a stand there?
Empty seats look shocking in the numbers we have them
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Ive not followed all of this thread but it's morphed into the atmosphere at CCS then all I would say is that the atmosphere is absolutely gash and all the empty seats do look bad.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Empty seats look shocking in the numbers we have them
You can hear the empty seats? Or are you just stirring up apathy? :-)
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Taunton Blue Genie
You can hear the empty seats? Or are you just stirring up apathy? :-)
A half empty ccs looks crap to the fans and it deffo looks crap to the players
That is a viscous circle with regards to the atmosphere
You get 15 k in the 20 k liberty tin shack and it can be rocking
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SLUDGE FACTORY
A half empty ccs looks crap to the fans and it deffo looks crap to the players
That is a viscous circle with regards to the atmosphere
You get 15 k in the 20 k liberty tin shack and it can be rocking
If the Liberty was 25k it would still be rocking. It's not as if a 25k seater stadium would let atmosphere escape more than a 20k stadium.
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Have people forgotten that we played in a ~27k stadium before the Ninian extension?
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The stadium was rocking the Saturday night we beat Swansea. I doubt their ground has been rocking when they’ve lost at home recently to QPR, Plymouth etc.
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Eric the Half a Bee
If the Liberty was 25k it would still be rocking. It's not as if a 25k seater stadium would let atmosphere escape more than a 20k stadium.
You need to ask TBG about atmospheric escapes , nothing to do with me
If you LOOK around the CC stadium on match day with 18 k in there as a fan and as a player you are facing an uphill battle before the game even kicks off
It's really simple to understand
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Canton Kev
Have people forgotten that we played in a ~27k stadium before the Ninian extension?
I could deal with that
25 k would have been better but there you go
20 k crowds in 27 k capacity ?
Sensible enough
But unless we are doing well .....ie Premier league ......the support simply isn't there
And it never will be if we are being honest with ourselves
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You need to ask TBG about atmospheric escapes , nothing to do with me
If you LOOK around the CC stadium on match day with 18 k in there as a fan and as a player you are facing an uphill battle before the game even kicks off
It's really simple to understand
I know a bit about acoustics. I know that our ground now has an upper tier in the Ninian stand but is basically the same size as before with that stand being a bit taller.
15k in our ground making a noise would sound the same whether that tier was there or not.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I could deal with that
25 k would have been better but there you go
20 k crowds in 27 k capacity ?
Sensible enough
But unless we are doing well .....ie Premier league ......the support simply isn't there
And it never will be if we are being honest with ourselves
You’ve missed the point.
Our performances and atmosphere weren’t better pre Ninian extension because of the stadium size. Likewise performances and atmospheres haven’t dropped off a cliff since due to an extra tier being stuck on.