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Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
Looks like they are signing him on loan. Would he have come back to us? I have a feeling in the back of my mind that he didn't leave us on great terms???
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
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PhyllisStant
Looks like they are signing him on loan. Would he have come back to us? I have a feeling in the back of my mind that he didn't leave us on great terms???
He'd come back, he's a City fan. He's quite vocal about it on Instagram but I bet he's on good money at Schalke (they signed him for 12.5m after all!) and we haven't got any money! Harris said we brought in Wilson over another right back as the budget was too tight, so unless we manage to shift Murphy/Hoilett I think it's a non starter unfortunately. I'd love him back, he's got raw pace which we lack.
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
But we signed Will Vaulks. This club is a mess.
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
it'll be good for him to get some game time
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NYCBlue
But we signed Will Vaulks.
In June 2019.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
In June 2019.
Did we have different owners then?
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NYCBlue
But we signed Will Vaulks. This club is a mess.
There was nothing wrong with the Will Vaulks signing. It was a punt at a low cost
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I watch a fair bit of Bundesliga and he hasn't pulled up trees. Man City must have been laughing all the way to the bank at £12m.
He is probably one of Schalke's highest earners but the fact they're considering loaning him out shows where he is at with them even in their predicament at the moment (adrift at the bottom and in line for record games without a win in Bundesliga).
We have other wingers with bags of pace that rarely produce the goods. Matondo is no different. Has pace to burn but the rest of his game isn't up to par even given the slim pickings we have on the wings currently.
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I’ve seen nothing to suggest that he’s going to be anything more than Championship standard at best
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Before I get shot down here I have just checked his stats.
He has made 32 appearances for Schalke and has a total of 2 goals and 0 assists.
He seems to get in great positions with his pace but always ends up with the wrong option being taken. Think a very expensive Josh Low.
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NYCBlue
Did we have different owners then?
Sorry, I've got absolutely no idea what you were driving at when you brought Will Vaulks into the equation. I shouldn't have bothered replying.
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NYCBlue
But we signed Will Vaulks. This club is a mess.
He is a half decent player he's typical of other signings , where they were doing a half decent job at a lower Championship club , or was their player of the season, so we take a punt , bit like Cunningham, Nelson, Whyte, Moore, Pack all reported decent performers at thier
clubs .
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
There was nothing wrong with the Will Vaulks signing. It was a punt at a low cost
£2.5m is certainly not low cost.
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The Lone Gunman
Sorry, I've got absolutely no idea what you were driving at when you brought Will Vaulks into the equation. I shouldn't have bothered replying.
Correct.
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
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blue lewj
Before I get shot down here I have just checked his stats.
He has made 32 appearances for Schalke and has a total of 2 goals and 0 assists.
He seems to get in great positions with his pace but always ends up with the wrong option being taken. Think a very expensive Josh Low.
Well, if this is true, I'm glad he's coming to the Championship. I hope he gets plenty of game time. And by May we should know what kind of player he is.
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NYCBlue
Well, if this is true, I'm glad he's coming to the Championship. I hope he gets plenty of game time. And by May we should know what kind of player he is.
I'm fairly certain of the kind of player he is. One that hardly scores and virtually never creates scoring chances for others.
I am glad it is Stoke rather than us is all I will add.
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blue lewj
I'm fairly certain of the kind of player he is. One that hardly scores and virtually never creates scoring chances for others.
I am glad it is Stoke rather than us is all I will add.
He's 20 and Schalke are the worst side in recent history. It's way too early to judge.
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I don't rate him at all. He has bags of pace, but no ball-control or end product.
Spedger
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
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life on mars
He is a half decent player he's typical of other signings , where they were doing a half decent job at a lower Championship club , or was their player of the season, so we take a punt , bit like Cunningham, Nelson, Whyte, Moore, Pack all reported decent performers at thier
clubs .
I too think overall Vaulks has done okay for us since he signed.
Scores some spectacular goals too.
Yes Matondo would be a great addition to our squad but as has been said, looks like Harris has nothing in the kitty so a non-starter.
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Pedro de la Rosa
He's 20 and Schalke are the worst side in recent history. It's way too early to judge.
yes precisely.
he's only 20, think of players like adama Traore at that age, pace and dribbling but nothing else. some time in the championship should be good for him
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Pedro de la Rosa
He's 20 and Schalke are the worst side in recent history. It's way too early to judge.
Wait.... aren’t you the guy that just a few days ago was calling out Benkovic as being worse than useless...
You are a joke
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blue lewj
I'm fairly certain of the kind of player he is. One that hardly scores and virtually never creates scoring chances for others.
I am glad it is Stoke rather than us is all I will add.
He's just 20 years old. For my money, judging based on Wales games, his last game had seen him step up quite a bit when he was playing against players of a similar age but still development needed. The right club at Championship level is a good stepping stone.
When I say you don't have the patience to see a change in playing style at the club, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about.
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NYCBlue
But we signed Will Vaulks. This club is a mess.
We signed Harry Wilson in a similair deal too which on paper is a better signing than Mattondo
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
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Originally Posted by
blue lewj
I'm fairly certain of the kind of player he is. One that hardly scores and virtually never creates scoring chances for others.
I am glad it is Stoke rather than us is all I will add.
From Harry Wilson is nothing other than set pieces to this ffs :hehe:
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Really hope he comes good but at the moment Rabbi strikes me as someone who is all fart and no poo
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Kitman
Really hope he comes good but at the moment Rabbi strikes me as someone who is all fart and no poo
players are often a bit like that when they are young. I think from the Wales games I've seen there is enough there to think he can progress
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Pedro de la Rosa
£2.5m is certainly not low cost.
It was at the time for a player that Rotherham relied on. We paid more for Pack where Vaulks had more long term potential.
Transfer fees have plummeted because of COVID
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Rjk
players are often a bit like that when they are young. I think from the Wales games I've seen there is enough there to think he can progress
He has the raw pace that you can't teach.
There is potential but i've seen loads in the same position that just haven't lived up to the potential
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StraightOuttaCanton
Wait.... aren’t you the guy that just a few days ago was calling out Benkovic as being worse than useless...
You are a joke
To be fair, Benkovic is 23 and has almost 100 league appearances under his belt, not really a similar case
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surge
He's just 20 years old. For my money, judging based on Wales games, his last game had seen him step up quite a bit when he was playing against players of a similar age but still development needed. The right club at Championship level is a good stepping stone.
When I say you don't have the patience to see a change in playing style at the club, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about.
I've watched him for three seasons at Schalke.
I have very little faith in him suddenly getting that aspect of the game. Do you think Man City, Schalke and Wales have not tried to coach this into his game?
As for the playing style, I see very little. Harris has always played direct at Millwall and has in his time here. He has been here a year plus and still plays direct. Harris has moved only slightly from his direct style and is so uncomfortable with it he always reverts to type. That will not change as with any change will be a period of discomfort.
They are totally separate issues but I have more faith in Matondo making the grade than Harris changing something that he has always done. At least Matondo knows, or should know, what he has to do and is fully focused on doing it.
What I would ask is what faith you have in Stoke coaches achieving with Matondo that Man City, Schalke and Wales coaches have so far failed to achieve?
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Croesy Blue
From Harry Wilson is nothing other than set pieces to this ffs :hehe:
Yeah. He's been absolutely murdering opponents of late hasn't he.
I actually said take his set pieces out of his game and he isnt as great as people make out. I added that he is not consistent enough. You and a few others said he was one of the best in the Championship.
I think his season to date supports my argument more than yours if I'm honest.
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Ask any City fan if they would prefer a fit Tomlin in this team or a fit Wilson and if they are being truthful they would pick Tomlin every time.
Tomlin produces with consistency when he has a run of games. That is what the best players in the Championship do. Actively get involved, look for the ball and when they get it produce moments that change games. Tomlin's issue is getting that run of games. Wilson's is that he produces too few of those moments despite getting the games. The fact he plays in a Harris team also hampers him but it is what it is.
That is the reason that if fit Tomlin is one of the best in the Championship and even Premier League standard and Wilson while being fit is kicking along on loan to a Championship club having produced that top quality in a handful of games to date.
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StraightOuttaCanton
Wait.... aren’t you the guy that just a few days ago was calling out Benkovic as being worse than useless...
You are a joke
Matondo isn't awful. He's raw but talented. We aren't awful, we're underperforming. Matondo looks average against Bayern Munich, Benkovic looked horrendous against Wycombe.
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WJ99mobile
It was at the time for a player that Rotherham relied on. We paid more for Pack where Vaulks had more long term potential.
Transfer fees have plummeted because of COVID
£2.5m for Vaulks is dreadful business. He tries hard but is so limited. He's 27 and can't pass. Spending more on Pack is also bad business, although I thought Pack cost 750k.
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Pedro de la Rosa
£2.5m for Vaulks is dreadful business. He tries hard but is so limited. He's 27 and can't pass. Spending more on Pack is also bad business, although I thought Pack cost 750k.
https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/...f-city-3191973
It was £750k up front in a deal worth £4m - but I don't know if the rest of the amount was performance related
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StraightOuttaCanton
Wait.... aren’t you the guy that just a few days ago was calling out Benkovic as being worse than useless...
You are a joke
Further to this, I'm allowed to rate one player and not rate another. Matondo is a young player with talent. I like him, I think he needs to polish his decision making and he's very raw but he's absolutely rapid for a start. He reminds me of Sterling, obviously not as good but I think he could be a player. I hope he plays at Stoke, as O'Neill is clearly a good manager and could get the best out of him. Matondo looks for the ball too, he doesn't shy away and he's got confidence in his ability.
Benkovic is 23 and hasn't played at Leicester despite Rodgers playing other youngsters during a centre half crisis, he's even playing a left back there. He was beyond awful in his first game. I hope it's his only game for us. He might be a good player somewhere else but there's a reason he wasn't starting for us. Rodgers clearly thinks he's absolutely awful, there's no way he would be digging him out in the press if he thought he had a future at Leicester. I was excited when he signed as I thought he was talented, and there's probably me somewhere saying he's a good player but his complete lack of game time was a concern and I was shocked how bad he was. Both goals were his fault, he got bullied and made 3 or 4 other absolute howlers.
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Re: Rabbi Matondo to Stoke
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WJ99mobile
Both are dreadful business then. Both look value compared to Vassell, however.
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Croesy Blue
From Harry Wilson is nothing other than set pieces to this ffs :hehe:
What are you actually arguing with anyway Croesy?
Are you suggesting that 2 goals and 0 assists in 32 games is a good return? Murphy's stats for us are better than these and we know how his performances have been.
Are you also arguing that Wilson's performances this term for Cardiff City mark him out as one of the best players in the Championship? Not best player on his day, consistently best player.
Rather than just dismissing my points, what is your counter argument?
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blue lewj
What are you actually arguing with anyway Croesy?
Are you suggesting that 2 goals and 0 assists in 32 games is a good return? Murphy's stats for us are better than these and we know how his performances have been.
Are you also arguing that Wilson's performances this term for Cardiff City mark him out as one of the best players in the Championship? Not best player on his day, consistently best player.
Rather than just dismissing my points, what is your counter argument?
Harry Wilson is a very good player but he isn't good enough to link us out of this malaise. He also isn't as good as Brooks, Sarr, Buendia, Cantwell, Olise, Mbuemo etc. There's an awful lot of good players in the Championship and we don't have many. Wilson is one, we have handful more but we don't have enough.
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Pedro de la Rosa
Harry Wilson is a very good player but he isn't good enough to link us out of this malaise. He also isn't as good as Brooks, Sarr, Buendia, Cantwell, Olise, Mbuemo etc. There's an awful lot of good players in the Championship and we don't have many. Wilson is one, we have handful more but we don't have enough.
He is one of our better players without doubt and has potential to go on to greater things but he is a frustrating player for me. I would not put him up there with those players mentioned above due to him not producing the Birmingham City home type of displays with any regularity.
He is a very decent Championship player don't get me wrong but doesn't produce the best with any consistency to be considered among the best in this league for me. What does anybody consider best in the league though? Top 10, 20, 30 even? It is all about opinions.
If he was undoubted Premier League quality then that is where he would be plying his trade. He has dropped down to the Championship for game time on more than one occasion for a reason. If he was PL level without question then he would be playing there.