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We are going to finish 23rd
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
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I really don't understand why we are favourites for relegation with the bookies. Probably heart v head but I'm hoping for a top 10 finish
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
No
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But this is about balancing a book rather than odds vs probability.
Unless you are daft enough to follow us you probably haven't been paying attention to Vinny drifting away and paying the second and third installment of the Nantes money, a proper manager turning up, and some decent championship players arriving and those not quite at that level leaving.
There'll be fivers and tenners from south Wales on us at fancy odds, but little elsewhere. 13/8 for Leicester to be promoted seems stingy to me when generally (the stattos on here will prove me wrong :)) at least one of the relegated teams blow up into a mini-crisis and death spiral. I think Southampton will be the team this year, they bought a lot of (too) young players last year who struggled in the premier league but with another year and an easier league will be decent IMO.
I think its going to be very tight top 10
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
I think that we may struggle.
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
We've lost our 3 best players from last year, the replacements so far are very questionable. Only the Welsh goggles think Ramsey will be a success, almost everyone else think he's finished. An unkown manager and a transfer embargo, its easy to see and understand if pragmatic.
We are in for a season of struggle and I'd be very surprised if we end the season with the manager we started with. 20 and below for me.
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Probably printed before recent signings but still don't think they are far off it.
Lot of optimism here is for the unknown quality of our manager and Ramsey.
I think Ramsey is a good signing for our squad but it's so difficult to say how impactful he will be.
I do think Grant looks a good addition.
Biggest issue is we have lost our better players from last year and I'm still not convinced we will score enough.
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
T be honest they haven't got a clue
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
This Ipswich love in amongst the bookies and the media seems a bit unjustified, you'd think they'd won League 1 by 50 points last season... they didn't even win it :facepalm:
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No I don’t but it’s also not as rosy as some people are thinking.
Bulut for Lamouchi
Goutas for Kipre
Grant for Kaba
Ramsey for Philogene
Meite for Harris
Ugbo for Whyte
I don’t think we’ll be relegated but it would be good to get a couple more in for us to make a big step forward
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Originally Posted by
llan bluebird
But this is about balancing a book rather than odds vs probability.
Unless you are daft enough to follow us you probably haven't been paying attention to Vinny drifting away and paying the second and third installment of the Nantes money, a proper manager turning up, and some decent championship players arriving and those not quite at that level leaving.
There'll be fivers and tenners from south Wales on us at fancy odds, but little elsewhere. 13/8 for Leicester to be promoted seems stingy to me when generally (the stattos on here will prove me wrong :)) at least one of the relegated teams blow up into a mini-crisis and death spiral. I think Southampton will be the team this year, they bought a lot of (too) young players last year who struggled in the premier league but with another year and an easier league will be decent IMO.
I think its going to be very tight top 10
I think you're right on the money:hehe:(poor pun)The same bookies had WBA as a shoe in this time last year if I remember right.Thing is they are guided by money first and foremost together with the perceived wisdom of those who profess to know all.I'd like to think what we are doing this season is under their radar and I'm confident there will be no repeat of last season.
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Let's see how many points we've picked up by the end of Ipswich away. Right now, head says bottom quarter. Lots of unknown variables at the moment. Eg Collins at LB regaining form, if indeed he is first choice LB. A leader on the pitch (Ramsey?) is desperately needed, too, as there was no-one directing operations last season like Gunnarson used to do so effectively. This time last year there were three away friendlies which gave an idea of how well (badly) we were going to do. Whilst Portugal was a good test, let's see how we get on v Wycombe and Leeds (forget Colchester...play the nippers). Plus, if we don't beat QPR at home then it could be another long season.
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Originally Posted by
Carl Dale's Mole
According to FourFourTwo's big Season Preview edition.
Only QPR below us.
Leicester to win it.
They have Ipswich making the playoffs.
Swansea 14th and Bristol City 16th.
What do you think? Are we going to finish 23rd?
I'll hazard a guess where we are going to end up in this division once the transfer window closes. Still just over a month to go. We really do need a new goalkeeper if we are to progress up the league though, more than a player in any other position. Neither Alsop nor Alnwick fill me with confidence.
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I would put good money on Leicester not winning the league, especially now they've lost Tielemans, Maddison and Barnes. Just about making the play-offs in my eyes.
As for the City, I definitely don't see us in a relegation scrap but much will depend on the quality of our next batch of signings. If they are good or possibly very good I think we may surprise a few people.
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Originally Posted by
sneggyblubird
The same bookies had WBA as a shoe in this time last year if I remember right.
You don't remember right. Norwich were narrow favourites for promotion last year. West Brom were third in the betting.
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If we get the keeper we need I’m positively looking at mid table.
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Think we look weaker in defence and slightly improved in midfield and attack (although all three of our new forwards had a poor time of it in 22/23). We still look like a bottom third squad that needs our manager to be as good as Mehmet Dalman thinks he is.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
If we get the keeper we need I’m positively looking at mid table.
I’d have a keeper way down the list of priorities. We need goals, creativity from deep, a centre half and full back cover
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The Lone Gunman
You don't remember right. Norwich were narrow favourites for promotion last year. West Brom were third in the betting.
If Carlsberg did pedantic.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I’d have a keeper way down the list of priorities. We need goals, creativity from deep, a centre half and full back cover
Not for me, a keeper is total priority I have little faith in either we have. Their stats last season were the worse or near the worse. I think a decent keeper wacks a shed load of points on.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I’d have a keeper way down the list of priorities. We need goals, creativity from deep, a centre half and full back cover
Nah we need a keeper as an absolute priority.
Then a CB.
I think 2 players of quality there and we should be safe.
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[QUOTE=OurManFlint II;5440693Only the Welsh goggles think Ramsey will be a success, almost everyone else think he's finished.
This is an example of the stupidity of social media.
How anyone could make such a crass comment as a fact and get away with it is beyond me. I don't know whose Man Flint you are but they are welcome to you.
:ayatollah:
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sneggyblubird
If Carlsberg did pedantic.
TLG stands at the side with his bucket of cold water, just waiting for any sign of optimism to douse.
It's his way and has been for years.
:ayatollah:
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sneggyblubird
If Carlsberg did pedantic.
It’s pedantic to point out someone’s claim was hopelessly wide of the mark? Righto…
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rich munn
TLG stands at the side with his bucket of cold water, just waiting for any sign of optimism to douse.
It’s got nothing to do with optimism or otherwise. I’m merely pointing out that the bookies did not believe West Brom were a shoe-in last year as was claimed.
They were well wide of the mark with their predictions last season. Burnley, who pissed the division, were ranked sixth in the pre-season betting. City were ranked 15th, so they got that badly wrong too.
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All keepers have the ability to pull off spectacular saves
But it's the meat and drink playing from the back , distribution , organising the defence etc that breeds confidence that is vital
And we don't have a goalkeeper in the two main incumbents who offer that
So we need a new face and possibly two
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Nah we need a keeper as an absolute priority.
Then a CB.
I think 2 players of quality there and we should be safe.
We are one injury away from Jack Simpson starting, and god knows who can pass in CM if we lose Wintle. Ugbo is not prolific, we need another option.
Allsop is OK, he’s not great but he was not the season we couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo last season.
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A couple of weeks to go, and without 2 or 3 good signings, I think currently we're no stronger than last season. Does our manager know the Championship ? Has he underestimated it ? I hope not, but he doesn't half sound optimistic !
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We are one injury away from Jack Simpson starting, and god knows who can pass in CM if we lose Wintle. Ugbo is not prolific, we need another option.
Allsop is OK, he’s not great but he was not the season we couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo last season.
I’d rather a first choice keeper than a back up CB even if it meant Simpson starting. I’d be amazed if both aren’t signed though.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
I’d rather a first choice keeper than a back up CB even if it meant Simpson starting. I’d be amazed if both aren’t signed though.
I would be surprised if we sign a keeper
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We are one injury away from Jack Simpson starting, and god knows who can pass in CM if we lose Wintle. Ugbo is not prolific, we need another option.
Allsop is OK, he’s not great but he was not the season we couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo last season.
This is why a central defender is a priority. Simpson being one injury away from first team action fills me with dread. Nice guy but not championship level.
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I think we’re definitely stronger than last season
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I would be surprised if we sign a keeper
It leaves question marks over the manager for me if he can’t see it.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
It leaves question marks over the manager for me if he can’t see it.
We have so many holes to fill. Allsop and Alnwick aren’t as bad as people make out on here. We cannot plug every gap, and we need to get people out. Alnwick and Allsop both have a contract, it isn’t that simple and we can only have 5 loans in a squad. Good keepers that can be signed for free don't grow on trees.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We are one injury away from Jack Simpson starting, and god knows who can pass in CM if we lose Wintle. Ugbo is not prolific, we need another option.
Allsop is OK, he’s not great but he was not the season we couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo last season.
Allsop is one of the best keepers in the League.
If you want to be relegated he's your man he was very unlucky not to get a three-year treble last season, if it hadn't been for Reading and Wigan's points deductions he would have got that honor last season, and he only missed it by a point or two.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We have so many holes to fill. Allsop and Alnwick aren’t as bad as people make out on here. We cannot plug every gap, and we need to get people out. Alnwick and Allsop both have a contract, it isn’t that simple and we can only have 5 loans in a squad. Good keepers that can be signed for free don't grow on trees.
Keepers and Strikers are the two most important positions on the pitch, if we had Kaba and a good keeper I would be feeling a lot more optimistic.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I would be surprised if we sign a keeper
I'd be amazed if we aren't already trying.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
We are one injury away from Jack Simpson starting, and god knows who can pass in CM if we lose Wintle. Ugbo is not prolific, we need another option.
Allsop is OK, he’s not great but he was not the season we couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo last season.
I don't think he will start a game this season, they would reshuffle NG before contemplating that, and I'd try and move him on, they need a centre half too and I'm sure they will be looking for one also.
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Originally Posted by
2b2bdoo
It leaves question marks over the manager for me if he can’t see it.
Too right sacked by Christmas.
It's not only making saves that make a keeper so important it's instilling confidence in the defence like Marshall used to and commanding his area.
A keeper is the number one priority.
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I don’t understand why people are flapping and doom mongering when we are nowhere near the end of the transfer window. Maybe give the new manager a chance to finish assembling his squad before you decide it’s not good enough?