2nd leg tactics

Now there has been 2 games against Fulham in recent weeks and both of them we have looked incapable of scoring.

The 433 doesn't seem to work, Hoilett can't get the better at all of Christie. Midfield seem no interest in showing for the ball apart from Tomlin, he had to come deep as Ralls and Pack can't do what he does.

I just think we aren't going to suddenly outplay Fulham.

For a one off game need to score at least 2 in I would try.

Smithies
Morrison Flint Bamba
Hoilett Bennett
Bacuna. Vokes
Tomlin
Paterson Ward

I would suggest trying to be clever to win some fouls down the channels and then have got plenty to aim for from set pieces.

Its obviously not the most mobile of defences but look at the goal we conceded.

Its potentially a disaster waiting to happen but feel like we are going to go into it with same tactics hoping to sneak a goal and then grab another late on which has looked unlikely on the last 180 minutes.

We've got to play how we've been playing since lockdown, we can't rip it up now. I watched our back 3 vs QPR :hehe:

We'll have to assess Tomlin, he was absolutely knackered last night. We absolutely have to take our chances, be a bit braver and try to force the issue. I'd bring in Vaulks for Pack, and maybe push Bacuna into midfield if Tomlin won't last the full 90. We have to disrupt their passing and we have to make life difficult. We need a goal before 70 minutes but we have to start quickly with intent so Fulham don't start playing. I'd play Murphy and hope it comes off, he's got the ability.

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

Now there has been 2 games against Fulham in recent weeks and both of them we have looked incapable of scoring.

The 433 doesn't seem to work, Hoilett can't get the better at all of Christie. Midfield seem no interest in showing for the ball apart from Tomlin, he had to come deep as Ralls and Pack can't do what he does.

I just think we aren't going to suddenly outplay Fulham.

For a one off game need to score at least 2 in I would try.

Smithies
Morrison Flint Bamba
Hoilett Bennett
Bacuna. Vokes
Tomlin
Paterson Ward

I would suggest trying to be clever to win some fouls down the channels and then have got plenty to aim for from set pieces.

Its obviously not the most mobile of defences but look at the goal we conceded.

Its potentially a disaster waiting to happen but feel like we are going to go into it with same tactics hoping to sneak a goal and then grab another late on which has looked unlikely on the last 180 minutes.

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Flint and Paterson? You might as go for the full-set and throw Pack in as well. That way Fulham will be guaranteed in excess of 70% possession and a gluten of free kicks in their favour.

It will be the same tactics with a few changes. I think he will bring in Vaulks for Pack, Patterson for Glatzel and Murphy for NML

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

It will be the same tactics with a few changes. I think he will bring in Vaulks for Pack, Patterson for Glatzel and Murphy for NML

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If Patterson starts at Fulham it will just demonstrate how pathetically out of touch we are.
I am beginning to give Harris the benefit of the doubt but that ...........

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

Now there has been 2 games against Fulham in recent weeks and both of them we have looked incapable of scoring.

The 433 doesn't seem to work, Hoilett can't get the better at all of Christie. Midfield seem no interest in showing for the ball apart from Tomlin, he had to come deep as Ralls and Pack can't do what he does.

I just think we aren't going to suddenly outplay Fulham.

For a one off game need to score at least 2 in I would try.

Smithies
Morrison Flint Bamba
Hoilett Bennett
Bacuna. Vokes
Tomlin
Paterson Ward

I would suggest trying to be clever to win some fouls down the channels and then have got plenty to aim for from set pieces.

Its obviously not the most mobile of defences but look at the goal we conceded.

Its potentially a disaster waiting to happen but feel like we are going to go into it with same tactics hoping to sneak a goal and then grab another late on which has looked unlikely on the last 180 minutes.

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Flint in for Nelson? :sherlock:

Who are our top 11 scorers? Play them.

I would start Vaulks instead of Pack and, perhaps surprisingly, I would recall Sanderson and put Bacuna back in midfield.

Will be interesting to see what we do, can't afford to let the match just pass us by but at the same time don't necessarily need to go gung ho from the start.

We absolutely need to press better and for longer, they gave the ball away in dangerous areas a couple of times the other week, we also forced Leeds into similar after lockdown.

We have had a few games where we have been quite clinical going forward, need everyone at their best to stand much chance of turning it around.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Flint and Paterson? You might as go for the full-set and throw Pack in as well. That way Fulham will be guaranteed in excess of 70% possession and a gluten of free kicks in their favour.

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Fulham had lots of free kicks and possession yesterday. My thinking was taking a risk that can create through long throws and set pieces when do have opportunities

Bamba, Flint, and Patterson up front and bombard the barstewards :hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Bamba, Flint, and Patterson up front and bombard the barstewards :hehe::hehe:

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Don’t forget Sam Vokes, the OP has slipped him in somehow:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I would start Vaulks instead of Pack and, perhaps surprisingly, I would recall Sanderson and put Bacuna back in midfield.

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I think that will happen too, and maybe Ward, he's our best Striker goals per minute, he would have reacted quicker than Glatzel yesterday.

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Originally Posted by Bluebina

I think that will happen too, and maybe Ward, he's our best Striker goals per minute, he would have reacted quicker than Glatzel yesterday.

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Unfortunately, Danny is the same as Robert ! They don't score (very rarely), when they start. Both score, when they come off the bench

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Unfortunately, Danny is the same as Robert ! They don't score (very rarely), when they start. Both score, when they come off the bench

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Bring both on 5 minutes in. Problem solved!

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

I would start Vaulks instead of Pack and, perhaps surprisingly, I would recall Sanderson and put Bacuna back in midfield.

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I’d do exactly this and swap Murphy for NML.

I’d also consider Paterson for Hoilett and go
4-1-3-1-1

Etheridge up front

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

Now there has been 2 games against Fulham in recent weeks and both of them we have looked incapable of scoring.

The 433 doesn't seem to work, Hoilett can't get the better at all of Christie. Midfield seem no interest in showing for the ball apart from Tomlin, he had to come deep as Ralls and Pack can't do what he does.

I just think we aren't going to suddenly outplay Fulham.

For a one off game need to score at least 2 in I would try.

Smithies
Morrison Flint Bamba
Hoilett Bennett
Bacuna. Vokes
Tomlin
Paterson Ward

I would suggest trying to be clever to win some fouls down the channels and then have got plenty to aim for from set pieces.

Its obviously not the most mobile of defences but look at the goal we conceded.

Its potentially a disaster waiting to happen but feel like we are going to go into it with same tactics hoping to sneak a goal and then grab another late on which has looked unlikely on the last 180 minutes.

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As most have said definitely not this team. Also no Ralls? Think he was one of our better players last night and has been all season.

Having said that something needs to change. I think we need to start with two up top. We've got to go for it, even if it means getting caught early.

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

Now there has been 2 games against Fulham in recent weeks and both of them we have looked incapable of scoring.

The 433 doesn't seem to work, Hoilett can't get the better at all of Christie. Midfield seem no interest in showing for the ball apart from Tomlin, he had to come deep as Ralls and Pack can't do what he does.

I just think we aren't going to suddenly outplay Fulham.

For a one off game need to score at least 2 in I would try.

Smithies
Morrison Flint Bamba
Hoilett Bennett
Bacuna. Vokes
Tomlin
Paterson Ward

I would suggest trying to be clever to win some fouls down the channels and then have got plenty to aim for from set pieces.

Its obviously not the most mobile of defences but look at the goal we conceded.

Its potentially a disaster waiting to happen but feel like we are going to go into it with same tactics hoping to sneak a goal and then grab another late on which has looked unlikely on the last 180 minutes.

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I’d agree. Think we could play Fulham 20 times with last night’s team and not win once because they’re simply better than us.

Would not be against throwing in Patto just to mix things up and roll the dice

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Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue

I’d agree. Think we could play Fulham 20 times with last night’s team and not win once because they’re simply better than us.

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Well, Barnsley and Hull have both beaten Fulham 3-0 this season.

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

Midfield seem no interest in showing for the ball apart from Tomlin, he had to come deep as Ralls

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We have to get Ralls deep into them from the off...

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Originally Posted by Baloo

Well, Barnsley and Hull have both beaten Fulham 3-0 this season.

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Noticed that earlier when I was trying to find a bit of hope to cling onto. First goal is crucial.

Also found that in the 8 home games where they've gone behind they've only won 1, drawn 1 and lost the other 6, so there's def some sort of weakness there.

I think it's important we start well like we have in the 2 recent games against them but take one of our chances this time!!! As soon as the games settles they'll get into a flow and we might struggle to get near them again.

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Originally Posted by ccfcwelshlad

Noticed that earlier when I was trying to find a bit of hope to cling onto. First goal is crucial.

Also found that in the 8 home games where they've gone behind they've only won 1, drawn 1 and lost the other 6, so there's def some sort of weakness there.

I think it's important we start well like we have in the 2 recent games against them but take one of our chances this time!!! As soon as the games settles they'll get into a flow and we might struggle to get near them again.

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We can start like we did but sustaining it is going to be difficult in my opinion, loads of chasing and reacting must be exhausting for the players. Fulham seem to work it out quite quickly as well.

I'd put Murphy in a central roll in the hope that he turns up and uses his pace to turn Fulham, none of our strikers have that ability.

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Originally Posted by ccfcwelshlad

Noticed that earlier when I was trying to find a bit of hope to cling onto. First goal is crucial.

Also found that in the 8 home games where they've gone behind they've only won 1, drawn 1 and lost the other 6, so there's def some sort of weakness there.

I think it's important we start well like we have in the 2 recent games against them but take one of our chances this time!!! As soon as the games settles they'll get into a flow and we might struggle to get near them again.

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Here's more tragic hope to cling onto. Did you see the Cheltenham v Northampton L2 play-off game? Cheltenham won the first-leg 2-0 at Northampton. I watched the 2nd game as Cheltenham are my local team and Northampton come roaring out the blocks, got an early goal and Cheltenham completely crumbled under the pressure. Northampton won 3-0 in the end but it could easily have been 4 or 5 they were so dominant. They also then won the final 4-0.

Mostly likely a one-off (first-time a 2-goal 1st-leg deficit has been overturned?) but a glimmer perhaps to keep us interested.

I know playing Patterson isn't a popular choice for some but taking on Fulham at their own game is a mistake. Other than the centre backs (and Mitrovic who I don't think will start on Thursday, why risk him) they aren't a big side so we need an industrious midfield three of Vaulks, Bacuna and Ralls and the physicality of Patterson and revert to a Neil Warnock style approach for this game.

Let's see how they deal with an aerial bombardment.

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Originally Posted by Carl Dale's Mole

Who are our top 11 scorers? Play them.

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Here's the team
GK Paterson
DF NML Morrison, Flint Hoilett
DMF Vaulks Ralls
MF Tomlin Ward Murphy
CF Glatzel

Unfortunately, as much as I don't want to, we will have to play Sanderson at right back, as we desperately need Bacuna in midfield.

Smithies

Sanderson, Morrison, Nelson, Bennett

Pack

Bacuna Vaulks Ralls

Tomlin

Glatzel (or Hoilett)

They got 2 big centre halfs, so playing high balls is useless, especially to Glatzel.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

I know playing Patterson isn't a popular choice for some but taking on Fulham at their own game is a mistake. Other than the centre backs (and Mitrovic who I don't think will start on Thursday, why risk him) they aren't a big side so we need an industrious midfield three of Vaulks, Bacuna and Ralls and the physicality of Patterson and revert to a Neil Warnock style approach for this game.

Let's see how they deal with an aerial bombardment.

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We tried playing Paterson up front against them a few weeks ago. It didn't work.

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Originally Posted by PontBlue

I know playing Patterson isn't a popular choice for some but taking on Fulham at their own game is a mistake. Other than the centre backs (and Mitrovic who I don't think will start on Thursday, why risk him) they aren't a big side so we need an industrious midfield three of Vaulks, Bacuna and Ralls and the physicality of Patterson and revert to a Neil Warnock style approach for this game.

Let's see how they deal with an aerial bombardment.

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Where has this idea that Paterson is good in the air come from?

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Where has this idea that Paterson is good in the air come from?

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Because he wasn't sick on the aeroplane, when he went on holiday

Our wingers did nothing last night, so I'd be tempted to play a diamond formation if Tomlin is fit to start the game:

Smithies

Bacuna (or Sanderson) Morrison Nelson Bennett

Pack (or Bacuna)

Vaulks Ralls

Tomlin

Glatzel Murphy

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Where has this idea that Paterson is good in the air come from?

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From people watching him was 5th highest last year in pl for aerial battles won, granted he was also 5th for lost but a striker is generally going to lose more than wins so was pretty decent. He is clever with the positions he takes up and when he jumps. Granted he was ineffective in last game against Fulham

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Originally Posted by mazadona10

From people watching him was 5th highest last year in pl for aerial battles won, granted he was also 5th for lost but a striker is generally going to lose more than wins so was pretty decent. He is clever with the positions he takes up and when he jumps. Granted he was ineffective in last game against Fulham

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Probably because we played more long balls than anyone last season, losing as many as he wins suggests he's not that good in the air.

We just need to score first, it will change everything. Fulham will panic

The passing approach will not work. We need to bombard their pelanty area a la Wimbledon. See what may drop to a blue shirt. 2 wingers, 2 strikers.

We’ve got to get the ball off them first, we looked tired after the first 20 minutes on Monday

Start very fast and aggressive and see Glatzel/Hoilett/Mendez/Tomlin/Ralls (any will do) take early chance to go one up.

Wind up Mitrovic and watch him elbow his way to a red card.

Talk nicely to the ref and watch Mozzer finally win a penalty from a set piece into the box. Score pelanty!

Defend like hell.

Watch Pato score from a second deflection off his arse in the third minute of injury time.

Job done!