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Subs made a huge difference tonight
After a poor opening thirty-five minutes, City looked a different team after Hugill, Doyle and Harris came on.
P'raps Morison is still not experienced enough to pick his correct starting eleven.
And I'm not convinced he knows his best two up front.
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
After a poor opening thirty-five minutes, City looked a different team after Hugill, Doyle and Harris came on.
P'raps Morison is still not experienced enough to pick his correct starting eleven.
And I'm not convinced he knows his best two up front.
Amazing that your best centre forward makes an improvement over two small strikers asked to do Hugill's job. I am stunned he didn't start Hugill or Uche. It was so predictable what would happen and to make matters worse, he's absolutely killed Watters because he isn't good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, which isn't his fault. I bet Morison blames Watters rather than himself.
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
After a poor opening thirty-five minutes, City looked a different team after Hugill, Doyle and Harris came on.
P'raps Morison is still not experienced enough to pick his correct starting eleven.
And I'm not convinced he knows his best two up front.
I think we all expected changes after the lethargic performance against Millwall. I would say the wrong eleven but I’m glad he didn’t just chuck in Pack and Bacuna as I thought he might. At the end of the day he’s given key players a rest and got all 3 points so a good days work.
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Morrison has to get over himself, sticking the boot into watters in the interview. Even if it's not true, the thing to say here is the got the tactics wrong rather than saying he was taken off because he was shit
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Amazing that your best centre forward makes an improvement over two small strikers asked to do Hugill's job. I am stunned he didn't start Hugill or Uche. It was so predictable what would happen and to make matters worse, he's absolutely killed Watters because he isn't good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play, which isn't his fault. I bet Morison blames Watters rather than himself.
Sure as night follows day, he's said Watters wasn't good enough. It was Morison's fault, not Watters. He's an absolute tosser.
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
After a poor opening thirty-five minutes, City looked a different team after Hugill, Doyle and Harris came on.
P'raps Morison is still not experienced enough to pick his correct starting eleven.
And I'm not convinced he knows his best two up front.
Agreed.
But I like that fact that he is prepared to make plenty of in-game changes and isn’t bothered about upsetting players, whether people agree with the changes or not.
(Starting Watters ahead of Hugill made no sense to me but maybe there is/was something going on that we don’t know about. I’d be surprised though)
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
Morrison has to get over himself, sticking the boot into watters in the interview. Even if it's not true, the thing to say here is the got the tactics wrong rather than saying he was taken off because he was shit
What did he say?
I'm sure he'll get plaudits for being "decisive and honest" but even I could've told you Watters/Davies wouldn't work
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Sure as night follows day, he's said Watters wasn't good enough. It was Morison's fault, not Watters. He's an absolute tosser.
We won a game tonight stop being a negative arse
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Morison strikes again. Of course the subs made a difference, the bench was almost the first team. He got it wrong to start with, playing a team to waste the first half in effect. Then humiliated Watters, who had 2 chances to be fair to him. Of course Hugill made a difference, he’s a better player. The manager is a right arse.
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Originally Posted by
City123
What did he say?
I'm sure he'll get plaudits for being "decisive and honest" but even I could've told you Watters/Davies wouldn't work
"He wasn't good enough, he wasn't winning enough first contacts, he wasn't being physical enough, and the ball kept coming back when it went forwards". It is Morison's mistake, not Watters.
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
We won a game tonight stop being a negative arse
Watters was so upset he didn't go in at half time. And what does Morison do? Stick the boot in again.
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I've just got back and the general consensus from those I was with, and around at the game was Morison got it absolutely right. On Saturday we were leggy and looked a yard off the pace having had only 2 days between games, so it wasn't a surprise that he rested players with 10 games in 30 days ahead. It made sense to bring on Hugill for 40 minutes rather than have to bring him off after 50, and giving Ralls a rest was a bonus. King didn't do much, but didn't prove a disaster, and gave Doyle a breather too.
I thought Morison played the game very well. God knows why this guy gets so much stick on here..
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Strange leaving out some of our best players and the ones he’s just brought in on loan….maybe the win will gloss over it, whatever was going on. A vital win, I’d say we are almost safe.
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Re: the Watters substitution, the TV commentators said that it was an "emotional" decision; that Morison 'threw his arms up in the air' when Watters failed to close down the keeper - this despite having a really clever turn and shot on goal shortly before he was hooked.
If Morison subbed players after throwing his hands in the air after watching their incompetence, all eleven players should have been subbed in that first half.
Watters took it extremely well and was most professional about it - and credit to Pack for consoling him.
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
"He wasn't good enough, he wasn't winning enough first contacts, he wasn't being physical enough, and the ball kept coming back when it went forwards". It is Morison's mistake, not Watters.
It's shockingly bad man management. I had hoped he'd just swallow a bit of pride and admit that he'd got it wrong and needed to make a change to sure things up and avoid going behind, but no. Watters was not at fault for being sent out to play a role completely ill-suited to him.
He drafted him back from a successful loan spell where he was scoring goals, to be treated like that, on tv...
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The starting 11 was wrong today as neither of the front two are known for their hold up play. Unfortunately Morison used the post match interview to lay the boot into Watters rather than take responsibility for his poor team selection.
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
PontBlue
The starting 11 was wrong today as neither of the front two are known for their hold up play. Unfortunately Morison used the post match interview to lay the boot into Watters rather than take responsibility for his poor team selection.
Amazing how Morrison can take what should be a positive and focus on the negative. His opening remark was to indirectly criticise watters. A shitbag of a human.
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Atrocious management from Morison. Just say you got it wrong and that Watters isn't a target man and this game called for one.
Let's not forget Watters is only 22 and still a very young man. With all the players leaving us this season he could be really important next season but if I was him I'd be doing everything possible to leave right now, Morison humiliated him.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I've just got back and the general consensus from those I was with, and around at the game was Morison got it absolutely right. On Saturday we were leggy and looked a yard off the pace having had only 2 days between games, so it wasn't a surprise that he rested players
I thought Morison played the game very well. God knows why this guy gets so much stick on here..
Wouldn't disagree with any of that. It's the changes he made that are being queried.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I've just got back and the general consensus from those I was with, and around at the game was Morison got it absolutely right. On Saturday we were leggy and looked a yard off the pace having had only 2 days between games, so it wasn't a surprise that he rested players with 10 games in 30 days ahead. It made sense to bring on Hugill for 40 minutes rather than have to bring him off after 50, and giving Ralls a rest was a bonus. King didn't do much, but didn't prove a disaster, and gave Doyle a breather too.
I thought Morison played the game very well. God knows why this guy gets so much stick on here..
The subs were good but they were needed to rectify Morison's own mistake. Why didn't Uche start? Surely he can give you 45 now? Collins is in the stand. Our upturn in form has been based around getting it into Hugill's feet and playing from there, or counter attacking with Drameh. He expected Watters, who is a poacher, to do hold the ball up against three centre halves? Morison blaming Watters, a bloke so distraught he didn't go into the dressing room at half time, is a joke. Why does he have to stick the boot in?
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A classic 'rope a dope' game. Sit back, take all they have, then score on the break. And a masterclass in substitutions. Who's complaining what the starting line was? It worked.
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The game changed massively when Huggel came on. Watters was far too light weight.
Why has Morrison got this love in with Vaulkes, he should have been subbed at half time
But a great result
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
The subs were good but they were needed to rectify Morison's own mistake. Why didn't Uche start? Surely he can give you 45 now? Collins is in the stand. Our upturn in form has been based around getting it into Hugill's feet and playing from there, or counter attacking with Drameh. He expected Watters, who is a poacher, to do hold the ball up against three centre halves? Morison blaming Watters, a bloke so distraught he didn't go into the dressing room at half time, is a joke. Why does he have to stick the boot in?
I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say, but Watters was absolutely awful. Didn't put in a challenge, tackle, chase back, where the other 9 outfield players were putting in a shift.
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Re: Subs made a huge difference tonight
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say, but Watters was absolutely awful. Didn't put in a challenge, tackle, chase back, where the other 9 outfield players were putting in a shift.
I've posted what Morison said above. If you think that's good man management, I wouldn't like to work for you.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say, but Watters was absolutely awful. Didn't put in a challenge, tackle, chase back, where the other 9 outfield players were putting in a shift.
i have yet to see Watters have a good game for us (which made it all the stranger that he started) Hugill, Davies, Uche and Harris are all more effective.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say, but Watters was absolutely awful. Didn't put in a challenge, tackle, chase back, where the other 9 outfield players were putting in a shift.
I agree, why is there an anti morrison vibe on here.
It's not flower arranging it's professional football. The players have to harden up a bit .
Morrison got the sub spot on, we could have been 2 0 down at half time.
People should stop thinking players are precious souls
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say, but Watters was absolutely awful. Didn't put in a challenge, tackle, chase back, where the other 9 outfield players were putting in a shift.
No they weren't. The rest of them were rubbish too. It was a completely disjointed set up, and to single one player out like that is ridiculous. He was far from the worst of a bad bunch. The midfield was non existent, so hardly surprising Davies and Watters struggled to keep hold of it for long, with nobody anywhere near them.
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I've posted what Morison said above. If you think that's good man management, I wouldn't like to work for you.
Oh Dear. The usual CCMB 'let's get personal' message board thread.
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
I agree, why is there an anti morrison vibe on here.
It's not flower arranging it's professional football. The players have to harden up a bit .
Morrison got the sub spot on, we could have been 2 0 down at half time.
People should stop thinking players are precious souls
Because of Morison. Maybe if Morison would harden up a bit he wouldn't create these sort of controversies. Morison picked the wrong team. He got it right in the end, and that's great. Show a bit of humility, you're supposed to be pleased but alas, Steve doubles down.
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A Quiet Monkfish
Oh Dear. The usual CCMB 'let's get personal' message board thread.
That's not personal. I'm not attacking you. I don't agree with Morison's man management. You seem to approve of what he said. I wouldn't want to play for Morison and if you think that is the best way to deal with young players, I wouldn't want to for you either.
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I remember the days when we used to moan about the manager because we were losing all the time, playing appalling "football" and sliding towards relegation...
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
That's not personal. I'm not attacking you. I don't agree with Morison's man management. You seem to approve of what he said. I wouldn't want to play for Morison and if you think that is the best way to deal with young players, I wouldn't want to for you either.
Seriously, do you actually read a post before replying to it ?" I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say.."
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Seriously, do you actually read a post before replying to it ?" I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say.."
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
I've posted what Morison said above. If you think that's good man management, I wouldn't like to work for you.
Seriously, do you actually read a post before replying to it? I've posted it, read it and then form a response.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Seriously, do you actually read a post before replying to it ?" I don't know anything about what Morison said or didn't say.."
Oh, and that was personal.
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
i have yet to see Watters have a good game for us (which made it all the stranger that he started) Hugill, Davies, Uche and Harris are all more effective.
I agree. Morison made a mistake with his starting line up. He corrected that mistake - in a brutal way.
The main thing is what he now says and does with Watters (which none of us will see) to either destroy his confidence or use the situation to improve Watters as a club forward.
Davies got slaughtered a few weeks back and has since become a mainstay - which is a credit to him but also a vindication of Morison. Morison has a style which could be counter-productive, but so far his 'tough love' seems to work.
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
Watters took it extremely well and was most professional about it - and credit to Pack for consoling him.
Watters stayed sat in the stands on his own and didn't go in with the team at HT so not sure what you're basing this on.
Personally I've got no problem with the fact that he had to rest a bunch of players but not waiting the extra 9 minutes until half time to sub Watters was completely unnecessary and an absolute dick move. Although still harsh you could kind of understand it if a centre back was having an absolute shocker and making mistakes that were almost giving goals away but Watters a) is a striker and b) he wasn't having THAT bad a game, it's not his fault the midfield were having rings run round them.
He's doing an ok job but Morison consistently comes across as an incredibly unlikeable person. Yes I know he's not here to be liked but being that he's the figurehead for our club it is a shame
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Morison has got us playing great football as we move away from the relegation area ,job well done .
Watters just doesn't push forward enough or run down the ball .
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I've just got back and the general consensus from those I was with, and around at the game was Morison got it absolutely right. On Saturday we were leggy and looked a yard off the pace having had only 2 days between games, so it wasn't a surprise that he rested players with 10 games in 30 days ahead. It made sense to bring on Hugill for 40 minutes rather than have to bring him off after 50, and giving Ralls a rest was a bonus. King didn't do much, but didn't prove a disaster, and gave Doyle a breather too.
I thought Morison played the game very well. God knows why this guy gets so much stick on here..
Agreed - he got it right in terms of taking watters off as he was garbage - Morison didn't just slag watters off he explained that he was expecting him to run the channels and make it difficult for the defenders and he certainly didn't do the latter - didn't expect him to be a hugill
Thought King was okay and he was stretching his calves just before he came off and Davies had worked his nuts off and timing was perfect
2-0 win with a couple of other good chances compared to one good chance for them
Clean sheet as well
Can't complain
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Morison has got us playing great football as we move away from the relegation area ,job well done .
Watters just doesn't push forward enough or run down the ball .
We didn't play great football tonight.
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
The game changed massively when Huggel came on. Watters was far too light weight.
Why has Morrison got this love in with Vaulkes, he should have been subbed at half time
But a great result
Vaulks assist for the 1st goal was sublime!