More Americans Democrats and Republican Now Believe Wuhan Lab Leak

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...0007E3161FDF3D

Even Dr Fauci is now flip flopping , wonder if he did have connections with the Wuhan lab ?? 🤔

And done deliberately

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

And done deliberately

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I've beveled it all along. Done to destabalise the west

What's the logic behind those beliefs? The article makes it sound like Democrats are following Fauci when he says it's worth investigating (but might never know for sure) and fringe Republicans are hoping something they long pushed to make a talking point starts to have evidence to back it up.

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

I've beveled it all along. Done to destabalise the west

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I can be open to the idea of an accidental lab leak but that is just far fetched that it was deliberate.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

I can be open to the idea of an accidental lab leak but that is just far fetched that it was deliberate.

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I'd agree totally with that , sadly extracting the truth from a totalitarian country is a task too far.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

And done deliberately

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Where did you see that?

Don’t know if it was deliberate but reckon it came via the l@b in wuhan too. Apparently there are elements of the virus that have never been seen in any coronavirus before, or that it had been deliberately mutuated but parts of it can only have been manufactured or something….. Saw this on a documentary a few months ago.

so basically americans as the title states regardless of their political leaning.
then there's the little point of believable evidence where it came from.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...0007E3161FDF3D

Even Dr Fauci is now flip flopping , wonder if he did have connections with the Wuhan lab ?? 🤔

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Nice attempt at twisting things. A SURVEY says more Americans believe in the lab-leak theory. End of. Because some people believe something, it doesn't make it true. Propagating conspiracy theories ought to be a criminal offence.

If this is true, a couple of things occur to me. First, shouldn't "the west" have been more aware of what China was planning? Second, it makes the virtual ignoring of this report;-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

by the UK Government of the time even more appalling.

The search for scapegoats from abroad makes no difference to the facts - the UK, and many other "advanced" countries, were caught completely on the hop by Covid when there had been plenty of warnings, some of them going back ten years and more of what could be coming.

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Originally Posted by az city

Nice attempt at twisting things. A SURVEY says more Americans believe in the lab-leak theory. End of. Because some people believe something, it doesn't make it true. Propagating conspiracy theories ought to be a criminal offence.

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Exactly. We don't know where it came from. Hence, it's "worth investigating". Hardly inflammatory or conclusive is it?

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Originally Posted by goats

Don’t know if it was deliberate but reckon it came via the l@b in wuhan too. Apparently there are elements of the virus that have never been seen in any coronavirus before, or that it had been deliberately mutuated but parts of it can only have been manufactured or something….. Saw this on a documentary a few months ago.

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Something to do with strings of amino acids, I think. In Covid 19 there are strings of 4 - something which doesn't occur in nature. Let's face it, the evidence is overwhelming. Chinese scientists fleeing to the West to tell the world, other Chinese scientists disappearing, bio-security that is non-existent, and a virus that originates down the road from the lab in Wuhan. Scientist had their zeitgeist period, but fortunately those who were ridiculed are now able to put their head above the parapet as others come round to the same opinion..

This article is the best I've read on this issue.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-...-box-at-wuhan/

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Originally Posted by BINGE THINKING

This article is the best I've read on this issue.

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-...-box-at-wuhan/

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Great article.

Whoever or how still points to China .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Great article.

Whoever or how still points to China .

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You just won't stop.

Never heard of the author or the organization publishing this before but I'll put the illogical fallacy around that to one side.

To quote the author in this very piece, there is "no direct evidence" to support any theory circulating.

What is indisputable is the existence of zoonosis. So humanity being prepared for more zoonotic events wherever they occur is the important point here.

Without evidence, blaming China (a la Trump) is sinophobia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0daJ...urningPointUSA

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Originally Posted by chris lee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0daJ...urningPointUSA

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What is clearly a comedy rant by a COMEDIAN is evidence? Come on, man.

I read most of that, very long, article and it was pretty persuasive even if parts of it were much too technical for me. The writer's Wikipedia entry is interesting;-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Wade

because, if nothing else, it shows he has upset the scientific community in the past and it might be said he has something of an agenda.

This article by an award winning writer on Science debunks Wade's conclusions

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startsw...h=32ed37b45585

and, again, seems pretty convincing, but, rather like the first article, it is too technical really for me and, I would guess, for the overwhelming majority of of people on here.

What I would say is that if you take away all of the specialised stuff, the theory that the virus was man made rather than occurred naturally appears to be based to a large degree on the close proximity between where it first occurred and a laboratory specialising in coronaviruses. For me, this seems a hard situation to argue against, but I come back to what I said in my first message in this thread - it seems impossible for the most powerful countries in the rest of the world not to have had any notion of what China was. allegedly, up to and yet their response indicates that they didn't.

On the other hand, Wade alleges that Americans, and I suppose scientists from other countries, colluded with the Chinese in creating the virus.

For me, this part of the Forbes article rings truest;-

"But the second reason is truly chilling: the reason so many people have died is because of a global political failure to respond appropriately."

For me Nicolas Wade is better qualified than John Stewart to make a statement on this serious matter.

https://youtu.be/x_mxRWEc10g

His reasonable argument is very well set out in a very intelligentway

Please listen to it ,it's the best (non political) discussion I've heard ,explains a lot

No one has proof but lab leak is by far the more very reasoned argument.

Wuhan is a key world wide investigation Covid lab.

Fauci invested in it's work ( for the good of the world) and Dr Shi Zhengli was working on other Covid viruses.

I'm sure the Chinese virologist were doing their best to get ahead of what might become a threat and happen anyway, sadly something went wrong .

It's very sad the Chinese government could not allowed an independent investigation body into Wuhan early on to show an openness and desire to let the world know how this happened .

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

I can be open to the idea of an accidental lab leak but that is just far fetched that it was deliberate.

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Why?

The fact they didn’t let them investigate it properly at the start will always make them look guilty. It’s gone on to another level now mind. It will only take a new variant that escapes the vaccines and everything is phucked again, chance are this will happen at some point particularly here in the uk where our government appears useless.

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Originally Posted by chris lee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0daJ...urningPointUSA

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Some of the comments are really disheartening.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Some of the comments are really disheartening.

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18,643 views on Turning Point USA youtube channel.
6,086,862 views on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert youtube channel for the same interview.

Controversial and fringe Republican youtube channel and comments.

It took 15 years to find how SARS transferred naturally from Bats to Humans so we may have to wait a while to find out and we may never know how the virus made the jump.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Let's face it, the evidence is overwhelming.

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Monkfish has spoken. The scientific community should take note.

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Originally Posted by life on mars

For me Nicolas Wade is better qualified than John Stewart to make a statement on this serious matter.

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And, of course, you’re a renowned expert in such matters, so your judgment is definitive.

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Originally Posted by B. Oddie

Why?

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Why is a deliberate lab-leak far-fetched?

Because you risk killing a lot of your own folks? If it were deliberate wouldn't it be more sensible to release it on your "enemies" and not at home?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Monkfish has spoken. The scientific community should take note.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

And, of course, you’re a renowned expert in such matters, so your judgment is definitive.

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Of im not and never suggested I was an expert in anything , your confusing presenting a view to being an expert , yes that would be very arrogant,.

Simply shared his interview for hers to make their own minds up .

It's worth noting the man interviewed is an expert in the field of virology and very well respected in the scientific world. If you wish to challenge him drop him a line .

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Originally Posted by life on mars

It's worth noting the man interviewed is an expert in the field of virology and very well respected in the scientific world. If you wish to challenge him drop him a line .

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I can't be bothered to read what he has to say, let alone challenge it. Where's the value in such pieces when it's widely acknowledged that there is no definitive proof yet of where or how the virus originated? What do people like you get out of reading such stuff and sharing it, I wonder?

As far as I'm concerned, the subject of Covid-19 is depressing enough without bothering to read half-arsed theories about its origins.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I can't be bothered to read what he has to say, let alone challenge it. Where's the value in such pieces when it's widely acknowledged that there is no definitive proof yet of where or how the virus originated? What do people like you get out of reading such stuff and sharing it, I wonder?

As far as I'm concerned, the subject of Covid-19 is depressing enough without bothering to read half-arsed theories about its origins.

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Of course its depressing some of us have lost near and dear friends and family, to say his view his half arsed is strange view if you've not listened , or we supposed to just laugh at other contributors to this post where John Stewart boosts his comedic ego about a very serious pandemic?

All I'm saying In a quiet moment, have a listen .