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What leave voters voted for?
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Re: What leave voters voted for?
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
We've ended up in some weird Alice In Wonderland political landscape and nobody knows just how far down the plughole we will all be flushed. 2016 will be seen by historians as a watershed between normal and apocalyptic.
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
We've ended up in some weird Alice In Wonderland political landscape and nobody knows just how far down the plughole we will all be flushed. 2016 will be seen by historians as a watershed between normal and apocalyptic.
If anybody ends up down the plughole it will be the EU, as President Trump has called time on the unfair Chinese and EU trade practices. China are now struggling to buy German products, which is sending them towards recession, and the EU still have to renegotiate a new US trade deal, which will squeeze them even further. When we leave the EU it will be with a clean slate, and we will be free to engage in the new global trade reset to our own advantage.
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There is no guarantee what pug hole we do go down , or if one actually exists , at least we may now see an end result on the horizon .
As there are many countries outside of Europe buying and selling goods and services , and doing alright , perhaps we may survive the apocalyptic theory.
Calling all parties to vote this latest deal through , then move onto the real issues our domestic politics , which has been hijacked by Labour and the Tories for pure personal gain .
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
There is no guarantee what pug hole we do go down , or if one actually exists , at least we may now see an end result on the horizon .
As there are many countries outside of Europe buying and selling goods and services , and doing alright , perhaps we may survive the apocalyptic theory.
Calling all parties to vote this latest deal through , then move onto the real issues our domestic politics , which has been hijacked by Labour and the Tories for pure personal gain .
But there is a reason why countries trade most frequently with their neighbours.
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
There is no guarantee what pug hole we do go down , or if one actually exists , at least we may now see an end result on the horizon .
As there are many countries outside of Europe buying and selling goods and services , and doing alright , perhaps we may survive the apocalyptic theory.
Calling all parties to vote this latest deal through , then move onto the real issues our domestic politics , which has been hijacked by Labour and the Tories for pure personal gain .
Things are going to the dogs, it seems......
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Taunton Blue Genie
Things are going to the dogs, it seems......
For older readers Captain Pugwash maybe
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Taunton Blue Genie
Things are going to the dogs, it seems......
Indeed as my fingers good spot the dog ( get it ) .
Useful intresting contribution though .
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Dorcus
For older readers Captain Pugwash maybe
Useful intresting contribution though .
If Boris made that gramatical mistake you'd be all over that dog shit ' calling for impeachment and for him to.be sent to the kennels
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life on mars
Useful intresting contribution though .
If Boris made that gramatical mistake you'd be all over that dog shit ' calling for impeachment and for him to.be sent to the kennels
I'd absolutely love for him to be impeached but keeping him shackled in a kennel with a bone shoved in his fat gob would do nicely thanks.
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Dorcus
I'd absolutely love for him to be impeached but keeping him shackled in a kennel with a bone shoved in his fat gob would do nicely thanks.
He will be your go to PM soon , unless you can convince Labour to change their leader and agenda .
Be careful what you wish for his appointment is a result of political direction elsewhere.
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life on mars
He will be your go to PM soon , unless you can convince Labour to change their leader and agenda .
Be careful what you wish for his appointment is a result of political direction elsewhere.
He'll be gone soon because he'll have to resign. There's no need to convince Labour to change their leader and agenda because they have the best leader around at the moment and easily the best agenda, though I wish JC would get off the Brexit fence real soon.
There's nothing to be careful to wish for because we've got the worst possible world at the moment and the sooner this shower of shit is replaced the better. I'd even prefer the Monster Raving Loony party than these confidence tricksters.
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Dorcus
He'll be gone soon because he'll have to resign. There's no need to convince Labour to change their leader and agenda because they have the best leader around at the moment and easily the best agenda, though I wish JC would get off the Brexit fence real soon.
There's nothing to be careful to wish for because we've got the worst possible world at the moment and the sooner this shower of shit is replaced the better. I'd even prefer the Monster Raving Loony party than these confidence tricksters.
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Best leader around?
If I was eating cornflakes I'd choke on them!
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Elwood Blues
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Best leader around?
If I was eating cornflakes I'd choke on them!
And me , dont think that many normal thinking Labour voters consider him best at anything , other than being the the puppet of momentum.
Its very sad, as a decent Labour leader and a better shadow cabinet like Hilary Benn , Yvette Cooper , Jess Phillips Andy Burnham ,Tom Watson would destroy Boris and be in power , if they were allowed too serve , and not be frozen out of the new Labour agenda and cull .
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Dorcus
He'll be gone soon because he'll have to resign. There's no need to convince Labour to change their leader and agenda because they have the best leader around at the moment and easily the best agenda, though I wish JC would get off the Brexit fence real soon.
There's nothing to be careful to wish for because we've got the worst possible world at the moment and the sooner this shower of shit is replaced the better. I'd even prefer the Monster Raving Loony party than these confidence tricksters.
The whole anti Semitic thing doesn't bother you then
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RonnieBird
The whole anti Semitic thing doesn't bother you then
What anti Semitic thing? I see no evidence myself. Labour is a very inclusive party and Semites are welcome.
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Seems pretty clear to me and a lot of other people. Anti semitism is implicit in socialism of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be bothering to hide it much.
It's a very evil philosophy really, as we know from the millions killed by it. I'm genuinely interested how you think it might be able to work if we tried again - can you do the same thing and rationally expect a different outcome ?
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RonnieBird
Seems pretty clear to me and a lot of other people. Anti semitism is implicit in socialism of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be bothering to hide it much.
It's a very evil philosophy really, as we know from the millions killed by it. I'm genuinely interested how you think it might be able to work if we tried again - can you do the same thing and rationally expect a different outcome ?
There's as many shades of socialism as capitalism and that has proven a disaster for millions upon millions whilst enriching and aggrandising a privileged few.
As for Anti Semitism being implicit in socialism you're now showing your naivety. Anti Semitism is a condition fabricated by Jews. They have no monopoly over Semitic culture. Arabs are Semites and so are Assyrians, Aramites and other races. These people are all God's children as far as socialism is concerned. Zionism on the other hand counters the principle of fairness and equinimity which socialism holds dear.
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RonnieBird
Seems pretty clear to me and a lot of other people. Anti semitism is implicit in socialism of course, but at the moment they don't seem to be bothering to hide it much.
It's a very evil philosophy really, as we know from the millions killed by it. I'm genuinely interested how you think it might be able to work if we tried again - can you do the same thing and rationally expect a different outcome ?
Is your next post going to be ‘The Nazis were socialists’
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CardiffIrish2
Is your next post going to be ‘The Nazis were socialists’
We have already seen that parade. Three days after being asked for evidence he posted a misguided YouTube video and provided little comment of his own.
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
There's as many shades of socialism as capitalism and that has proven a disaster for millions upon millions whilst enriching and aggrandising a privileged few.
As for Anti Semitism being implicit in socialism you're now showing your naivety. Anti Semitism is a condition fabricated by Jews. They have no monopoly over Semitic culture. Arabs are Semites and so are Assyrians, Aramites and other races. These people are all God's children as far as socialism is concerned. Zionism on the other hand counters the principle of fairness and equinimity which socialism holds dear.
Zionism is a broad church with worshippers of many persuasions.
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Wales-Bales
Zionism is a broad church with worshippers of many persuasions.
Yes plenty of Muslims aren't there?
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Wales-Bales
If anybody ends up down the plughole it will be the EU, as President Trump has called time on the unfair Chinese and EU trade practices. China are now struggling to buy German products, which is sending them towards recession, and the EU still have to renegotiate a new US trade deal, which will squeeze them even further. When we leave the EU it will be with a clean slate, and we will be free to engage in the new global trade reset to our own advantage.
Are you actually bumming Donald Trump?
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
There's as many shades of socialism as capitalism and that has proven a disaster for millions upon millions whilst enriching and aggrandising a privileged few.
As for Anti Semitism being implicit in socialism you're now showing your naivety. Anti Semitism is a condition fabricated by Jews. They have no monopoly over Semitic culture. Arabs are Semites and so are Assyrians, Aramites and other races. These people are all God's children as far as socialism is concerned. Zionism on the other hand counters the principle of fairness and equinimity which socialism holds dear.
Did you really just say that anti semitism is FABRICATED by Jews ?
I don't think you meant that - hope not anyway. You went on to mention that other peoples can be described as Semitic, but of course that's got nothing to do with anything, ( you probably got that argument from George Galloway).
Gassing millions of people can't be excused or avoided by claiming that the wrong term was used, can it ?
In this spirit, I'm not getting into the side issue of whether the National Socialists were actually socialists , but Stalin certainly was and he probably killed more people than Hitler. Trotsky wrote some edifying stuff about all this you know, but of course he also got himself into a mess in the first place by believing in socialism .
Some say that's it's an attractive idea but impractical in the real world, but I tend to think you'd have to be some kind of ****ing simpleton to think it could work. How many millions of people does a political theory have to murder, starve or imprison before we catch on to the fact that it's evil ?
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I happened to mention in another post at this forum fairly recently that around 99% of Semites alive today are non-Hebrew speakers. They total around 5 million and most reside in Israel. The largest group of Semites are Arabs who speak Arabic, accounting for circa 300 million. Those Semites can be bombed relentlessly (as in Libya, Iraq and Syria this century) without the aggressors ever being labelled with the anti-Semitic slur as that's reserved exclusively for a tiny minority group.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Are you actually bumming Donald Trump?
The personalities involved are irrelevant, it's what is going on in the real world that is important. But that it an old trick of the media to make you focus on the individuals. Once they get you to dislike a person, you will dislike their policies, even if they benefit the people. It works every time on those who are not very good at thinking for themselves. I call it the Pavlov Syndrome.
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Wales-Bales
The personalities involved are irrelevant, it's what is going on in the real world that is important. But that it an old trick of the media to make you focus on the individuals. Once they get you to dislike a person, you will dislike their policies, even if they benefit the people. It works every time on those who are not very good at thinking for themselves. I call it the Pavlov Syndrome.
So what policies of his are actually working?
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Eric the Half a Bee
So what policies of his are actually working?
US economy, reigning in China & Iran, and addressing serious malfeasance within the justice department, state department, and intel agencies.
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Wales-Bales
US economy, reigning in China & Iran, and addressing serious malfeasance within the justice department, state department, and intel agencies.
Tell me more. All I see is that in terms of the economy, jobs, wages etc are continuing growth from the Obama presidency.
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Re: What leave voters voted for?
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Eric the Half a Bee
Tell me more. All I see is that in terms of the economy, jobs, wages etc are continuing growth from the Obama presidency.
The rest of the world isn't continuing the growth, some big economies are flirting with recession.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Tell me more. All I see is that in terms of the economy, jobs, wages etc are continuing growth from the Obama presidency.
The healthy U.S. economy narrative is an illusion. 37% of working age Americans do no paid work but their headline unemployment rate is 3.5%. If they returned to measuring the number as they did until 1981 the headline rate would be 23%, just 2% lower than what it stood at during the height of the 1930s Great Depression. Similar fiddling accounts for their official CPI inflation rate. That stands at 2%. If it was computed as it was it would be 9-10%. Their calculation ignores price changes in what every citizen, bar for the homeless, must purchase: food and energy. They do so to rob the middle and working classes (especially pensioners and others on fixed incomes) to benefit the top few percent.
A true inflation number would also reveal the U.S. economy is in recession today and has been every year since 1996. It's why the U.S. national debt has doubled every 8 years since 1980. QE has accentuated the ever increasing income inequality there. Yesterday their central bank boss announced another new round of QE by another name, and they've cut their interest rate twice in the last 3 months. They rise in a healthy vibrant economy. Trump says it's 'the greatest economy ever' yet he's always imploring the Fed to cut more and faster. Trump's a swamp monster who lies about everything.
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Organ Morgan.
The healthy U.S. economy narrative is an illusion. 37% of working age Americans do no paid work but their headline unemployment rate is 3.5%. If they returned to measuring the number as they did until 1981 the headline rate would be 23%, just 2% lower than what it stood at during the height of the 1930s Great Depression. Similar fiddling accounts for their official CPI inflation rate. That stands at 2%. If it was computed as it was it would be 9-10%. Their calculation ignores price changes in what every citizen, bar for the homeless, must purchase: food and energy. They do so to rob the middle and working classes (especially pensioners and others on fixed incomes) to benefit the top few percent.
A true inflation number would also reveal the U.S. economy is in recession today and has been every year since 1996. It's why the U.S. national debt has doubled every 8 years since 1980. QE has accentuated the ever increasing income inequality there. Yesterday their central bank boss announced another new round of QE by another name, and they've cut their interest rate twice in the last 3 months. They rise in a healthy vibrant economy. Trump says it's 'the greatest economy ever' yet he's always imploring the Fed to cut more and faster. Trump's a swamp monster who lies about everything.
You could say the same for every country, and right now Germany are having recession problems.
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Originally Posted by
Organ Morgan.
The healthy U.S. economy narrative is an illusion. 37% of working age Americans do no paid work but their headline unemployment rate is 3.5%. If they returned to measuring the number as they did until 1981 the headline rate would be 23%, just 2% lower than what it stood at during the height of the 1930s Great Depression. Similar fiddling accounts for their official CPI inflation rate. That stands at 2%. If it was computed as it was it would be 9-10%. Their calculation ignores price changes in what every citizen, bar for the homeless, must purchase: food and energy. They do so to rob the middle and working classes (especially pensioners and others on fixed incomes) to benefit the top few percent.
A true inflation number would also reveal the U.S. economy is in recession today and has been every year since 1996. It's why the U.S. national debt has doubled every 8 years since 1980. QE has accentuated the ever increasing income inequality there. Yesterday their central bank boss announced another new round of QE by another name, and they've cut their interest rate twice in the last 3 months. They rise in a healthy vibrant economy. Trump says it's 'the greatest economy ever' yet he's always imploring the Fed to cut more and faster. Trump's a swamp monster who lies about everything.
Sludge has started a thread about shopping for clothes in Tesco and I’ve checked and you haven’t commented??
What’s the world coming to? 😂😂
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Wales-Bales
You could say the same for every country, and right now Germany are having recession problems.
So are things thriving under Trump or not? Is wealth division growing bigger or smaller? Is homelessness and poverty decreasing or increasing?
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Eric the Half a Bee
So are things thriving under Trump or not? Is wealth division growing bigger or smaller? Is homelessness and poverty decreasing or increasing?
They are doing a lot better than Germany, France & China, and that's before the effects of the forthcoming trade wars. It will be a landslide for Trump in 2020, especially after the rogue liberal elites have been locked up. I'm not sure if the anti-democracy left will recover from that.
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Eric the Half a Bee
So are things thriving under Trump or not? Is wealth division growing bigger or smaller? Is homelessness and poverty decreasing or increasing?
Something is happening
This might answer part of your query .https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-45827430
US wages growth
Hourly pay earned by the typical employee rose sharply in February, pushing the increase in wages over the past year to a 10-year high of 3.4%.
The last time wages grew that fast was in early 2009. Even better, inflation slowed toward the end of 2018, dropping to a yearly rate of 1.6% from as high as 2.9% last summer
Homelessness is on the rise
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life on mars
Something is happening
This might answer part of your query .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-45827430
US wages growth
Hourly pay earned by the typical employee rose sharply in February, pushing the increase in wages over the past year to a 10-year high of 3.4%.
The last time wages grew that fast was in early 2009. Even better, inflation slowed toward the end of 2018, dropping to a yearly rate of 1.6% from as high as 2.9% last summer
Homelessness is on the rise
After observing this forum over a period of time, it's quite clear that the vast majority of people have been brainwashed to some extent, and they are also the first to respond angrily with nasty vitriolic language. It has been quite an eye-opener, and I have seen this kind of behaviour repeated over multiple forums and on various other social media platforms. In short, as things stand now we are f*cked as a society. Lardy & Cyril are a classic example of people who have an inverse view of reality, and they are very vindictive as well.
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Wales-Bales
After observing this forum over a period of time, it's quite clear that the vast majority of people have been brainwashed to some extent, and they are also the first to respond angrily with nasty vitriolic language. It has been quite an eye-opener, and I have seen this kind of behaviour repeated over multiple forums and on various other social media platforms. In short, as things stand now we are f*cked as a society. Lardy & Cyril are a classic example of people who have an inverse view of reality, and they are very vindictive as well.
Oh dear, tantrums!
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Dorcus
Oh dear, tantrums!
Thats not a tantrum,its a reality , look back at the responses ,
if someone dare challenge a view that didnt fit a certain narrative it becomes an insult .
This forum has become an anger outlet , and im guessing the same vindictiveness is probaly not delivered outside of this protective media platform.