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The way to stop terrorism in this country
New law. Anyone caught participating in acts of terrorism, whether strapping a suicide bomb to you, or sponsoring, planning acts of terrorism ect, your families will be prosecuted along side you, or in your place if you're a suicide bomber. Only drastic measures will stop the threat of terrorism. If this doesn't stop it, then It will certainly slow it down
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
That's so extreme it might have been conceived in Tel Aviv.
How about instead conveying to Saudi Arabia, whom Trump and Hillary Clinton believe is the sponsor of ISIS, that should any other Britons be murdered at the hands of loons they've created then the consequences would be severe for the House of Saud? That's better than prosecuting innocent family members.
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
Quite possibly contrary to the Geneva Convention
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
The only way to stop someone you suspect of doing something horrific like becoming a suicide bomber is Internment until they have been de radicalised (though I doubt that truely works) . Nothing else works - and this problem will not go away - it is a belief system.
You cant cure someone of being a 'pedo' just as I dont believe you can change an ISIS suicide mentality.
I'm open to here of any other fixes to this terrible problem though - that have proven successful
And if we put them all in the same prison then they don't need to do all the online surveillance of everyone :thumbup:
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
Silures
New law. Anyone caught participating in acts of terrorism, whether strapping a suicide bomb to you, or sponsoring, planning acts of terrorism ect
Not possible while we are in the EU
Not sure on the family idea, but, if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature ( which seemed to have still been happening only a few weeks ago in the market on Moss side ), these people who the secret service know about, bring them in, investigate them, kick down doors and find them, then lock them up, no communication with the outside world, they will be no harm to us
we have over 3000 on a UK watch list, we cannot watch them all while they are on the streets, it would be slightly easier if they were locked up
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ninianclark
It's a mindset, lifestyle choice mainly, and also some witless dumb ass muslim who has been duped and probably drugged into believing this vile nonsense.
Maybe round up all the suspected ISIS supporting individuals who we suspect - and then assess them, house arrest until proven they are no longer a threat. Why dont we put it to the vote ?
I was watching the drama the excellent TV drama 3 girls , and found some comparisons, where a group of men ,groomed ,organised, controlled ,trafficked and carried out extreme acts ,using targeted vulnerable people, these incidents were reported to authorities years before ,with no action taken , interestingly you could suggest some comparisons of the same activities of grooming disenfranchised, isolated Muslims , to urge them into radicalism, again some of whom activities , were known, you cant make political gain out of alleged ineffective funded authorities. .
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Not possible while we are in the EU
Not sure on the family idea, but, if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature ( which seemed to have still been happening only a few weeks ago in the market on Moss side ), these people who the secret service know about, bring them in, investigate them, kick down doors and find them, then lock them up, no communication with the outside world, they will be no harm to us
we have over 3000 on a UK watch list, we cannot watch them all while they are on the streets, it would be slightly easier if they were locked up
Do you think we just do away with the idea that we wait for someone to commit a crime before incarcerating them, use an algorithm to decide who is likely to and then lock them up based on that?
Sounds bad to me.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
And if we put them all in the same prison then they don't need to do all the online surveillance of everyone :thumbup:
I see what you did there :biggrin:
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If someone goes to Syria / Lybia or anywhere else that ISIS are active
If someone preaches about ISIS and trying to insight hatred
If someone has been posting ISIS material online re bomb making, killing all non Wahabi Muslims
If someone has a digital fingerprint which points to them trying to obtain materials to commit an act of terror etc
They should be detained until the Police deem them fit not to pose a danger to others and the UK - I think after Monday that's what most people want. There are others though that would probably praise them. Free Speech, Human Rights, I would happily trade in for the life of my kids - and someone elses' kids come to think of it - until this Islamic Terrorism is finally stamped out.
So if I go onto google now and search 'how to make a bomb?' I should be locked up indefinitely?
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Though I'm biased, I still believe my idea as part of the solution is the best. Put a stop to Saudi Arabia paying ISIS mercenaries, stop them from funding ISIS propaganda and stop them from arming ISIS murderers. I realise that flogging them weapons of all sorts provides lots of UK and USA jobs but pretending the emperor has no clothes is surreal.
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Organ Morgan.
Though I'm biased, I still believe my idea as part of the solution is the best. Put a stop to Saudi Arabia paying ISIS mercenaries, stop them from funding ISIS propaganda and stop them from arming ISIS murderers. I realise that flogging them weapons of all sorts provides lots of UK and USA jobs but pretending the emperor has no clothes is surreal.
But wouldn't it just be cheaper to indefinitely lock up Muslims who look a bit dodgy and harass/threaten their families?
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People who advocate the restitution of the death penalty do so with an unspoken qualification which is providing they or someone they care about don't swing in error. It's the same when they approve of totalitarian measures applied to others as they believe it would never impact them.
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ninianclark
Eric - dear boy - you really do let yourself down sometimes.
Lets change the word bomb for child abuse , now try again.
So if I go onto google now and search 'how to make a child abuse?' I should be locked up indefinitely?
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Do you think we just do away with the idea that we wait for someone to commit a crime before incarcerating them, use an algorithm to decide who is likely to and then lock them up based on that?
Sounds bad to me.
you might find that i said " if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature "
where may i ask did i say " incarcerating them before they commit a crime " ? ? ?
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If someone goes to Syria / Lybia or anywhere else that ISIS are active
If someone preaches about ISIS and trying to insight hatred
If someone has been posting ISIS material online re bomb making, killing all non Wahabi Muslims
If someone has a digital fingerprint which points to them trying to obtain materials to commit an act of terror etc
They should be detained until the Police deem them fit not to pose a danger to others and the UK - I think after Monday that's what most people want. There are others though that would probably praise them. Free Speech, Human Rights, I would happily trade in for the life of my kids - and someone elses' kids come to think of it - until this Islamic Terrorism is finally stamped out.
The Lilly left will never let it happen :wave:
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
you might find that i said " if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature "
where may i ask did i say " incarcerating them before they commit a crime " ? ? ?
I was referring to the 3000 people on the 'watchlist' that you appear to want locked up indefinitely without knowing what led them to be on the 'watchlist' in the first place (or knowing whether or not they have committed a crime).
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Internment would only strengthen ISIS' hand, "Look at these Westerners, punishing us for doing Allah's work" etc etc
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
The Lilly left will never let it happen :wave:
Strange comment. I don't know of any political party in the UK suggesting doing this.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I was referring to the 3000 people on the 'watchlist' that you appear to want locked up indefinitely without knowing what led them to be on the 'watchlist' in the first place (or knowing whether or not they have committed a crime).
once again, i never said that at all, the precursor to that statement said " if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature "
So Only if they have been found guilty of anything terror related, anything means, supporting in anyway, even handing out literature
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Strange comment. I don't know of any political party in the UK suggesting doing this.
Col Richard Kemp (former head of Cobra) said the same sort of thing on the Nicky Campbell show the other day so I doubt it will be long before it is suggested, he went as far as saying..
“Deport People We Don't Like, Even When We Can't Prove They've Done Anything Wrong!”
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If someone goes to Syria / Lybia or anywhere else that ISIS are active
If someone preaches about ISIS and trying to insight hatred
If someone has been posting ISIS material online re bomb making, killing all non Wahabi Muslims
If someone has a digital fingerprint which points to them trying to obtain materials to commit an act of terror etc
They should be detained until the Police deem them fit not to pose a danger to others and the UK - I think after Monday that's what most people want. There are others though that would probably praise them. Free Speech, Human Rights, I would happily trade in for the life of my kids - and someone elses' kids come to think of it - until this Islamic Terrorism is finally stamped out.
You're saying you would be happy for your child to be treated like a dog, and you'd give up your right to complain about, if the chances of being in a terrorist attack dropped from one in a million to zero?
Fair play, that's one of the most insane and hysterical views that I've ever seen shared on here.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Strange comment. I don't know of any political party in the UK suggesting doing this.
Give it time.
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
once again, i never said that at all, the precursor to that statement said " if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature "
So Only if they have been found guilty of anything terror related, anything means, supporting in anyway, even handing out literature
So you don't want to lock up everyone on the watchlist to make it easier to watch them then? I must be seeing things.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
So if I go onto google now and search 'how to make a child abuse?' I should be locked up indefinitely?
Doh, I must have let myself down again.
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Col Richard Kemp (former head of Cobra) said the same sort of thing on the Nicky Campbell show the other day so I doubt it will be long before it is suggested, he went as far as saying..
“Deport People We Don't Like, Even When We Can't Prove They've Done Anything Wrong!”
This is exactly how these powers would end up being used.
If every Muslim knew someone who was locked up indefinitely for standing in the wrong place at the wrong time there would be a far greater number of people suceptable to radicalisation.
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
Remove islam,remove islamic terrorism..
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Originally Posted by
goslow
Remove islam,remove islamic terrorism..
Well said, this sounds like a good plan Enoch
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tigerbaybluebird
Well said, this sounds like a good plan Enoch
:thumbup:
Remove sex, remove rape.
Feckin easy this.
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Not possible while we are in the EU
Not sure on the family idea, but, if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature ( which seemed to have still been happening only a few weeks ago in the market on Moss side ), these people who the secret service know about, bring them in, investigate them, kick down doors and find them, then lock them up, no communication with the outside world, they will be no harm to us
we have over 3000 on a UK watch list, we cannot watch them all while they are on the streets, it would be slightly easier if they were locked up
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
So you don't want to lock up everyone on the watchlist to make it easier to watch them then? I must be seeing things.
I would read it again
you might find that i said " if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature "
I also said that " we cannot watch them all while they are on the streets, it would be slightly easier if they were locked up " Of course it would be easier, even you must agree with that, but at no point did i say we should lock them up without being found guilty
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
I would read it again
you might find that i said " if you are found guilty of any terrorist act in anyway shape of form, even handing out literature "
I also said that " we cannot watch them all while they are on the streets, it would be slightly easier if they were locked up " Of course it would be easier, even you must agree with that, but at no point did i say we should lock them up without being found guilty
You want to though don't you?
Do you think these measures would lead to more or less radicalised young Muslims?
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Something has to be done and sadly the Liberal approach is not working.
We are not going to win this , we have to cut out the cancer before it spreads any further, we can't allow any more asylum seekers in .
If someone choses to go and fight for these radicals they stay there, there background in the UK is fully investigated and associates arrested on caution, will it radicalised, yep , but we're facing it anyway, they ain't going to become peace loving in the meantime.
If we know who they are now remove thier passports .
Oh and a complete ban on rucksacks and other any other bag at any events, it's not a picnic it's an event , just go and watch it .
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Something has to be done and sadly the Liberal approach is not working.
We are not going to win this , we have to cut out the cancer before it spreads any further, we can't allow any more asylum seekers in .
If someone choses to go and fight for these radicals they stay there, there background in the UK is fully investigated and associates arrested on caution, will it radicalised, yep , but we're facing it anyway, they ain't going to become peace loving in the meantime.
If we know who they are now remove thier passports .
Oh and a complete ban on rucksacks and other any other bag at any events, it's not a picnic it's an event , just go and watch it .
Bags are checked when you go in at most events. How would this work? No bags anywhere near? Won't 'they' just target somewhere you cant search all bags like a train station?
What exactly is 'the liberal approach'? That might come across as flippant but I am struggling to see anything overly 'liberal' about our approach towards terrorism as a country (and rightly so).
The government have already said they have no idea how many UK citizens might have been to Syria and other countries where IS are active. I think most people who travel there go via Turkey. British nationals made 1.6 million visits to Turkey in 2016, sounds like hundreds of thousands of passports to tear up.
I am not against a tougher approach per se but little of what I have read on here in the last few days is possible and when it does pass that test it is usually bonkers and would only serve to increase the problems we see.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
What exactly is 'the liberal approach'? That might come across as flippant but I am struggling to see anything overly 'liberal' about our approach towards terrorism as a country (and rightly so).
Liberal approach, well for me it is people who the Secret service know will try and commit a terrorist attack / support in an attack / raise funds for a terror group / radicalise others / , for me it is pretty liberal to allow them to walk our streets / rise our trains etc etc, now thats pretty Liberal :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
UK citizens might have been to Syria and other countries where IS are active. I think most people who travel there go via Turkey. British nationals made 1.6 million visits to Turkey in 2016, sounds like hundreds of thousands of passports to tear up.
I am not against a tougher approach per se but little of what I have read on here in the last few days is possible and when it does pass that test it is usually bonkers and would only serve to increase the problems we see.
How many of these 1.6 Million are on a terror watch list ? ? ? lets look at them, its a start, or have they all gone to Syria to " study the Quran " ? ??
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
Liberal approach, well for me it is people who the Secret service know will try and commit a terrorist attack / support in an attack / raise funds for a terror group / radicalise others / , for me it is pretty liberal to allow them to walk our streets / rise our trains etc etc, now thats pretty Liberal :thumbup:
That is quite an accusation and a damning judgement of our intelligence service.
Do you think the intelligence agencies are similarly 'liberal' in their approach in America or should we look to copy them?
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Re: The way to stop terrorism in this country
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Bags are checked when you go in at most events. How would this work? No bags anywhere near? Won't 'they' just target somewhere you cant search all bags like a train station?
What exactly is 'the liberal approach'? That might come across as flippant but I am struggling to see anything overly 'liberal' about our approach towards terrorism as a country (and rightly so).
The government have already said they have no idea how many UK citizens might have been to Syria and other countries where IS are active. I think most people who travel there go via Turkey. British nationals made 1.6 million visits to Turkey in 2016, sounds like hundreds of thousands of passports to tear up.
I am not against a tougher approach per se but little of what I have read on here in the last few days is possible and when it does pass that test it is usually bonkers and would only serve to increase the problems we see.
Blue Matt has replied on a few points , as for bags, they are holding device , so lets take that option away from events, which have mass impact risks ,remove half hearted bag searches by half-hearted security people,
you simply cannot attend an event with a bag , and why would you anyway ?? and separateexit and entry points , this may help in some way to make our world safer ,doing nothing is no longer an option .
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
How many of these 1.6 Million are on a terror watch list ? ? ? lets look at them, its a start, or have they all gone to Syria to " study the Quran " ? ??
I would imagine they are 'looking at' anyone who has travelled to Turkey and is on any kind of watch list. Do you think they aren't doing this?
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
Blue Matt has replied on a few points , as for bags, they are holding device , so lets take that option away from events, which have mass impact risks ,remove half hearted bag searches by half-hearted security people,
you simply cannot attend an event with a bag , and why would you anyway ?? and separateexit and entry points , this may help in some way to make our world safer ,doing nothing is no longer an option .
I was thinking about exactly this. I go to Lords every year with my dad, there are bag searches and body searches (mostly for alcohol mind). There are a few points outside of the ground where someone could set off a bomb and kill 25+ people easily. Have we reached the point where you would want to set up a perimeter around any event and allow no bags within say, 1 mile, of the venue? Is this practical?
No bags at the event wouldn't have saved anyone last Monday, the guy wasn't in the arena.
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I was thinking about exactly this. I go to Lords every year with my dad, there are bag searches and body searches (mostly for alcohol mind). There are a few points outside of the ground where someone could set off a bomb and kill 25+ people easily. Have we reached the point where you would want to set up a perimeter around any event and allow no bags within say, 1 mile, of the venue? Is this practical?
No bags at the event wouldn't have saved anyone last Monday, the guy wasn't in the arena.
It would fail if you had a system that stopped non ticket holders in, yes build perimeter fences and seperate exits and entries with scanner detection as you do at airports ,we have to do something, this is our children's children futures ,they despise ou western society and specifically the liberation of women , this is not about foregin policy, they want wreck ouf society , and cause total chaos, we have to be smart .
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Originally Posted by
life on mars
It would fail if you had a system that stopped non ticket holders in, yes build perimeter fences and seperate exits and entries with scanner detection as you do at airports ,we have to do something, this is our children's children futures ,they despise ou western society and specifically the liberation of women , this is not about foregin policy, they want wreck ouf society , and cause total chaos, we have to be smart .
I don't know how much clearer I can make this. I am talking about crowds outside the venue, as you see at every concert and large sporting event. There was security on Monday, this bomb went off in the foyer outside the ticket process.
So I will ask again, you are for some kind of exclusion zone around any event? 1 mile? Where no one is allowed a bag. What about, for example, Oxford Street or Leicester Square on an evening or weekend? No bags there too?
I just don't see how this is possible.