Don’t know if anyone has been following the story and regardless of whether you felt that he was guilty or not, what it does show is Americas gun laws are crazy.
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Don’t know if anyone has been following the story and regardless of whether you felt that he was guilty or not, what it does show is Americas gun laws are crazy.
A caricature, of course. Shooting someone while engaging in an argument will get you life in jail, if you escape the death penalty. Shoot someone, however, who has already declared his intention to kill you should he find you alone, and finds himself in precisely that circumstance and is lunging at you; or who is kicking your head in or beating you about the head with a skateboard and is himself armed, well, then, you may act to prevent yourself from death or imminent bodily harm.
Is this not the law in Britain?
Clearly they didn't hit this prick hard enough with skateboard.
Here's another case, quite like the Rittenhouse case, which has not received much publicity but was resolved the same day. Interestingly, this one involved not just the alleged murder of a young black woman but also the alleged attempted murder of police officers. The accused, one Andrew Coffee IV, was acquitted by a Florida (Republican state) jury on all murder and attempted murder charges after making a self-defence argument. Unfortunately for Mr. Coffee he was a felon in possession of a firearm — always and everywhere a no-no in the United States — and so he was convicted on that charge. His attorney stipulated his guilt on the possession charge (circumlocution can stretch only so far) but had hoped the circumstances would merit some understanding.
https://www.wptv.com/news/region-ind...unty-swat-raid
Before making judgments, how many people have actually seen the video evidence?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iryQ...icagoSun-Times
He was punched in the back of the head, and kicked while on the floor before he opened fire. The most blatant example of self-defence I have ever seen.
What happened before that though? It doesn’t seem to be anywhere near enough evidence in that.
What shocks me is someone watches that and thinks yeah those 2 lads deserved to be shot dead. Scares me that people can think like that.
I feel like people have picked a side based on their “politics” and will use anything to argue it. There no way that video shows me anything that means it’s ok for someone to be killed.
I can’t believe you’re calling someone a dangerous criminal based on it either. Are you serious?
What until the blokes that murdered Ahmaud Arbery get off. Then the shit will hit the fan.
I don’t know the case well but wandering into another city with a gun on your back to argue with protesters then crying and shooting someone who attacked you and getting away with it scott free seems madness.
If someone wandered into canton wearing a Swansea shirt and shot and killed someone who beat them up would they deserve to get away with it?
Ridiculous gun laws and a case politicised beyond belief.
It doesn’t mean he is completely innocent either though. You’re basing your whole opinion off that video without knowing what started everyone hitting him.
Seems you’ve made your mind up without wanting to see the full set of evidence. I seriously cannot believe you’re calling that guy a “dangerous criminal” based on that.
Wandering into a city win a gun looking for a fight then winding someone up into attacking you does not mean you should be able to shoot them without repercussion. That’s what sets the precedent. Get someone to attack and say you shot them in self defence because you feared for your safety. Dangerous, stupid and again something politicised that shouldn’t be.
Mad that the whole thing has almost boiled down to that guy is on my side so it’s ok for him to shoot someone.
Making your mind up just from that video and calling one of the people a dangerous criminal shows you’re already too biased to discuss it.
I am not sure why you keep emphasising 'dangerous criminal' I have not used those words in my posts, maybe you are quoting someone else?
The thing is that like it or not, he is allowed to wander into a city with a gun and open carry, because the law allows him too.
and in turn the jury was correct to accept his argument fo self defence because it clearly was.
I agree it is a bad precedent but you can not send the kid to prison when he acted within the law. You have to instead change the law
Sorry “mentally ill criminal”. How do you get to that from that video?
Even within the law calling that self defence is bollocks. Unless he was just walking down the street with a gun and they started attacking him with no provocation , which you could never say from that video.
Yet you’re calling one getting shot a mentally ill criminal.
The verdict does indeed mean that he is completely innocent in the eyes of the law. Rittenhouse was presumed innocent from the moment charges were filed against him. The prosecution failed to overturn that presumption, therefore his innocence stands.
Of course, people are quite free to draw different conclusions in their private capacity.
It’s why my worse fear is being put in front of a jury. Almost a complete luck of the draw who you get.
America seems even more mad because of how politicised it is.
The MSNBC guy getting banned from the court due to following the jury is ****ing nuts too. How can a professional in the media do something like that.
How was Preston?
Apperantly, Joseph Rosenbaum was a convicted pedophile and had just been released from a mental hospital but hadn't been taking his meds.
This isn't me passing any judgement on the case just clarifying that one of the victims was indeed a mentally ill criminal.
The judge and jurors will be looking over their shoulders for a long long time, one of the news teams was caught following the jurors bus leaving the court on the previous night, I'd be surprised if the jurors were not doxed at some point, the pressure on them to convict must have been immense, meanwhile Ghislaine Maxwell starts on the 29th, squeaky bum time for the rich and famous.
Unfortunately I've had way too much time on my hands this week due to self isolating, so have had a fair old look at this case.
It's extremely unique. As much as I agree that its ridiculous for armed people to be at protests, the reality is that its common place in the US. Most of the protests had significant numbers of armed proud boys or other white supremacists, black panthers or armed locals 'protecting ' their businesses.
Rittenhouse seems to be a very inadequate and pathetic individual who harbours delusions of 'being a hero' . Hence is silly little homemade first aid kit and going to a volatile atmosphere with a firearm.
Once there he seems to have been targeted by a deranged, aggressive criminal. Some of the videos of Rosenbaum are unbelievable. Threatening several of the armed idiots, shouting and screaming 'shoot me n**ga, shoot me n**ga in peoples faces. In fact in one of the videos several female protesters are heard telling him to calm down or he'll 'get us all shot' .
What kicked off Rosenbaum going for Rittenhouse was the fact that Rittenhouse extinguished a flaming skip hat Rosenbaum was trying to push into a building. That resulted in Rosenbaum chasing him, cornering him and trying to attack him.
More sympathy for the next 2 guys in, as they may well have thought they were dealing with an active shooter.
What really angers me is the way that both right and left have politicised it. For people on the left to say it's murder is beyond ridiculous, it was clear self defence.
For the right to be proclaiming him a hero is beyond vile. There are senators falling over themselves to give him an internship.
Rittenhouse is a sh*thouse little child with delusions of grandeur. He came unstuck big time against a mentally ill violent child molester. The fact the 2 of them live in a country with ridiculous gun laws sent the situation nuclear
Wasn't one of the lads chasing him have a gun ??
The other wanted to smash him up with a skateboard.
He In a stupid country that (allows ) someone to carry a weapon for self defence purposes decided to use it as he was being chased down with intent to injure or even kill ??
Just watched the item about this chap on the BBC TV news. Not an ounce of humility, just a rather smug "look at me, I'm famous" expression on his face. I think he needs to keep his head down for a wee while as I'm sure there must be some gun-toting individuals who would just love to goad him into a confrontation so that they too can kill with impunity by claiming self defence. Wouldn't that be ironic.
Irony? Not a chance, not a single witness account or footage of the event shows he goaded any of the three people shot.
First guy was looking for a fight all night, why he got into a confrontation with Rittenhouse I don't know, but going off of footage of before the shooting I'd bet the nonce was the aggressor. He chased Rittenhouse and tried to grab his gun, you can't do that and expect to not get shot.
Second and third guys thought they were responding to an active shooter, I have sympathy for them both but neither were goaded into attacking Rittenhouse, they acted off of false information and both attacked him, one even pulled a gun on him.
His first tv interview is with Tucker Carlson, not exactly a conciliatory move. Presumably so he can play up to a hard right audience.
The trumpite mob seem to think its heroic to sh*t yourself, run away and then pull a trigger
That's a very harsh way of putting it. Regardless of what you think of Kyle or America's gun laws, it was obvious self-defence and a lot more people could've been a lot more reckless. Regardless of whether you think he should've been there or not, he was only 16 ffs.
In general, he was clearly not guilty. Anyone who followed this case and looked at the evidence for themselves would realise it should never have gotten to court in the first place. He was chased down and assaulted, and the prosecution's key witness admitted he only got shot after he pointed a gun at him.
The media have yet again shown how utterly disgraceful they are in this case. I hope Kyle sues them in to oblivion for the way they've reported on this case.
If you read any of my posts on the subject of his guilt , you will see i believe firmly it was self defence.
That has nothing to do with this particular comment. The trump types are now lauding him as a hero which is quite frankly ridiculous. To give the first interview to Tucker Carlson is an inflammatory move as far as I'm concerned.
I would have thought the said Mr. Rittenhouse might have shown some signs of remorse over what happened rather than the rather smug attitude he adopted in front of the cameras. If it were me I would have been physically sick knowing that I had killed two people whether in self defence or otherwise. Surely we have to question why he went out with a loaded gun in the first place unless he intended to use it at some point. It seems to me his motive was that of a vigilante, so either he would be prepared to kill someone in defence of someone else or himself. I guess it's the "American way". BTW I see he has taken my advice and is keeping his head down - I wonder why!
"Mr Rittenhouse is now in an undisclosed location, a spokesman for his family told CBS".
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59358172
Apparently he was at his friend's house in Kenosha.
That's where the guns were kept.
His friends father bought the gun for him and kept it in his gun safe.
Mad video this is.
https://youtu.be/tkTnQfjRvk0