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A Talking Point from Saturdays Game
was this a back pass or not ?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How this obvious backpass went under the refs radar is beyond me.<br>Even the 4th official Bobby bloody Madley was smugly getting a kick out of refsplaining it away when Bulut was going mental with him. <a href="https://t.co/skDiKYcH2N">pic.twitter.com/skDiKYcH2N</a></p>— 🏴 CardiffCityForum.com (@cardiff_forum) <a href="https://twitter.com/cardiff_forum/status/1718971637461094850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 30, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Re: A Talking Point from Saturdays Game
He played it back off his calf, not his foot. The ball has to be played back deliberately with the foot to be a free kick.
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Re: A Talking Point from Saturdays Game
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JumpersforGoalposts
He played it back off his calf, not his foot. The ball has to be played back deliberately with the foot to be a free kick.
He must have high calf’s !!!!!
His body language says he’s guilty
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I thought he tried to control it rather than deliberately pass it to the keeper.
A deliberate first-touch pass to the keeper would've been far too risky, and could well have ended up as an own goal.
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Seems to me it may have hit his left foot first then there was a faint touch off his right - if there were two touches it might explain what otherwise looks a bonkers decision.
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Definitely a back pass for me, he was under pressure and tapped it back to his keeper, agreed with the above his expression and behavior was oh shit I just backed passed and he picked it up.
Referees hate giving those now for some reason?
I haven't seen the Meite offside decision yet, but that looked fine at the time, but I am biased.
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The Bloop
I thought he tried to control it rather than deliberately pass it to the keeper.
A deliberate first-touch pass to the keeper would've been far too risky, and could well have ended up as an own goal.
What was he going to do with it then after he had controlled it, bearing in mind he was facing his goalie and own net ? It was a deliberate first touch pass. He was cushioning it for his goalie to clear. You would argue black was white if the outcome was against City.
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JumpersforGoalposts
He played it back off his calf, not his foot. The ball has to be played back deliberately with the foot to be a free kick.
It didn't hit his calf, it came off his foot which was raised slightly off the ground.
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JumpersforGoalposts
He played it back off his calf, not his foot. The ball has to be played back deliberately with the foot to be a free kick.
Funny looking calf. Never seen one on a foot before.
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I don’t think so. An awful touch but don’t think he meant to pass it back.
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2b2bdoo
I don’t think so. An awful touch but don’t think he meant to pass it back.
It’s a good touch and the ball went backwards should have been a free kick
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TWGL1
It’s a good touch and the ball went backwards should have been a free kick
I don’t think he passed it back, just wanted to stop it.
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2b2bdoo
I don’t think he passed it back, just wanted to stop it.
I tend to agree. It was a bit of an odd one. Defenders know you can't pass it back and we rarely ever see free kicks for such things any more. To me it looks like he made a total hash of whatever he was trying to do. He was lucky that a miscontrol didn't fall to a City player.
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2b2bdoo
I don’t think he passed it back, just wanted to stop it.
I agree. It looks like he stopped the ball but before he could decide what to do next, the goalie came off the line and picked it up.
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Moodybluebird
I agree. It looks like he stopped the ball but before he could decide what to do next, the goalie came off the line and picked it up.
He might not have meant it as a back pass, but the goalkeeper turned it into one by picking it up. You see incidents where a defender slices a clearance and the keeper catches it because there’s no way it could be construed as a back pass, but this was different . The ball was so close to the goal with so many players near by that the keeper panicked - the law was brought in to stop things like that happening and, unless there were two touches as I suggested , it was a clear free kick.
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the other bob wilson
He might not have meant it as a back pass, but the goalkeeper turned it into one by picking it up. You see incidents where a defender slices a clearance and the keeper catches it because there’s no way it could be construed as a back pass, but this was different . The ball was so close to the goal with so many players near by that the keeper panicked - the law was brought in to stop things like that happening and, unless there were two touches as I suggested , it was a clear free kick.
Agreed definitely a back pass.
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Re: A Talking Point from Saturdays Game
If it had been at the other end and his touch resulted in another Bristol player netting, would it be classed as an assist by the stats gurus? I’d say yes…… he played the ball back to his ‘keeper.
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Thinking about it, the back-pass rule isn't actually about passing back. A keeper could be in front of a player passing the ball to him and the offence be penalised.....
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I don't think it was a back pass
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NinianOpinion1927
I don't think it was a back pass
What was it then?
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the other bob wilson
What was it then?
A spur of the moment touch with the intention of controlling the ball.
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NinianOpinion1927
A spur of the moment touch with the intention of controlling the ball.
Hum, I can see what you mean, but defending in the six yard box in the centre of the goal is not the place anyone wants to be taking two touches. I would argue that as soon as the goalkeeper picked the ball up it had to be seen as a back pass whether it was intended to be one or not..
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NinianOpinion1927
A spur of the moment touch with the intention of controlling the ball.
You’ve just described a back pass :hehe:
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the other bob wilson
Hum, I can see what you mean, but defending in the six yard box in the centre of the goal is not the place anyone wants to be taking two touches. I would argue that as soon as the goalkeeper picked the ball up it had to be seen as a back pass whether it was intended to be one or not..
I would be interested to know the actual rule. For me the intentional part is the most important.
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2b2bdoo
I would be interested to know the actual rule. For me the intentional part is the most important.
Law 12
An indirect free kick is awarded if the goalkeeper "touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"
https://www.thefa.com/football-rules...and-misconduct
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The Back Pass rule was invented to prevent defenders time wasting by deliberately passing back to the GK. In this I’m not convinced a deliberate pass was intentional and certainly not to waste time. Had a free kick been awarded then perhaps the punishment would not have fitted the crime, so to speak.
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Pontprennau Bluebird
The Back Pass rule was invented to prevent defenders time wasting by deliberately passing back to the GK. In this I’m not convinced a deliberate pass was intentional and certainly not to waste time. Had a free kick been awarded then perhaps the punishment would not have fitted the crime, so to speak.
It was a back pass, he wanted to pass it back to his keeper so we couldn't score.
It doesn't matter why they brought it in.
Law 12
An indirect free kick is awarded if the goalkeeper "touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"
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North Cardiff Blue
It was a back pass, he wanted to pass it back to his keeper so we couldn't score.
It doesn't matter why they brought it in.
Law 12
An indirect free kick is awarded if the goalkeeper "touches the ball with the hand/arm, unless the goalkeeper has clearly kicked or attempted to kick the ball to release it into play, after:
it has been deliberately kicked to the goalkeeper by a team-mate"
It wasn’t deliberate.
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Henry Hill
It wasn’t deliberate.
No, he just done it on purpose
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Henry Hill
It wasn’t deliberate.
He deliberately touched the ball, the ‘keeper, as well, was guilty of turning it into a back pass by handling it.
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Henry Hill
It wasn’t deliberate.
:hehe: Appropriate picture, that's everyone laughing when you post.
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splott parker
He deliberately touched the ball, the ‘keeper, as well, was guilty of turning it into a back pass by handling it.
What part of it wasn’t deliberately kicked to the keeper don’t you understand? It’s clearly mis controlled, you can see that by the way the defender reacts.
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North Cardiff Blue
:hehe: Appropriate picture, that's everyone laughing when you post.
Put the phone down for 2 minutes you’re wasting your life on here. Another 18 hour session for you today?
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Henry Hill
What part of it wasn’t deliberately kicked to the keeper don’t you understand? It’s clearly mis controlled, you can see that by the way the defender reacts.
His reaction stinks of “oh shit, what have I done”
Guilty as shit
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I don't know why the goalkeeper dpesn't just put his boot through it
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Whether it was or wasn't a back pass doesn't matter. What mattered was that Darren England didn't want to be in the news again for potentially getting a contentious decision wrong, and putting himself in the spotlight.
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Henry Hill
Put the phone down for 2 minutes you’re wasting your life on here. Another 18 hour session for you today?
:hehe: Two minutes every few hours, then off, it's simple.
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Re: A Talking Point from Saturdays Game
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JumpersforGoalposts
He played it back off his calf, not his foot. The ball has to be played back deliberately with the foot to be a free kick.
What kind of sophistry is this?
You can clearly see his left foot raised off the ground controlling the ball.
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I’ve had a quick look at the ruling and it has to be deliberate. Not 100% sure it is.
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Re: A Talking Point from Saturdays Game
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Henry Hill
It wasn’t deliberate.
so it was an accident that he cushioned it towards the keeper then?