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Big 6 want more money, bugger the rest.
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Big 6 want more money, bugger the rest.
You seem surprised by this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
They best thing they could do would be to cut those top 6 clubs adrift, as they are the ones who are ruining football.
The remaining 14 clubs could join with the 24 Championship clubs, and the clubs from the two lower divisions to form a more competitive league structure.
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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Not in the slightest, this is why the PL was born, apart from Man City, the other 5 and Everton wanted to collar all the tv money.
Now that really would set the cat among the pigeons, but not chance in hell of it ever happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Why on earth would the other 14 want to get rid of the 6 clubs that are bringing in so much money for them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I was thinking more about the fans rather than the greedy clubs. I mostly watch youth team matches these days, and they play some lovely one-touch football. So yeah, I'm all for going back to basics, and getting rid of the silly money that has ruined the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Alternatively, let's see if the top 6 can survive without the rest of us. They need the cannon fodder to look good.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I'd be interested if the TV companies thought a league with only 6 teams was worth paying for.
I think they might bugger off one day under their own steam, and join up with the likes of Real Madrid, Juventus, Bayern Munich and Barcelona, etc. Then we can have the proper football back for our own enjoyment :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
Unfortunately if or when this happens the TV money will go with them and what's left of the EPL will get a fraction of the cash they do now. This will likely have a domino effect in that clubs with big debts (cough) will no longer be sustainable once the promised land is removed for them and this is when the bubble will truly burst on football and it implodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Back to basics indeed :thunbup:
It won't be long before teams negotiate their own tv rights away from the League.
Leeds would become the richest club in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
That has been mooted for a while now, and I believe was the reason for the PLQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
I think people are becoming a little bit more selective, sky have had to break up their sports package, bt only took champions league and europa because sky didn’t think they were value for money. So it may help all the other Clubs long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
Surely you see there's only so much money available though and the European league would get the vast majority leaving the rest to pick up the scraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
The top premier league fixture as it stands would be Everton V Southampton if the top 6 left, tough to sell to a UK market let alone an overseas market.
During the glory days of football, you had Match Of The Day highlights and a Saturday, and the Big Match on a Sunday. The only live televised game was the FA Cup Final once a year. Football was thriving back then :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
You've got all these TV channels now, and 99% of it is shit :biggrin:
I disagree. Personally I'm not the slightest bit interested in the Champions League. I think if those teams go then they're in danger of cutting off their life blood. Most fans want tradition and competition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
I may be wrong and a 'World Series' model might appeal but I think that if you remove the Domestic bragging rights - 10 times League Champioins, etc - then I'm not sure what the teams would exist for? Certainly the supporters couldn't afford to travel to away games on a regular basis just due to time if nothing else.
I've wanted them to **** off for years. I hope they go and take their entitlement with them.
We'll see, sooner or later, it's inevitableQuote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
What about Wolves though, surely they are a top six team now with their world class players??
And they can take all their plastics with them too, many of whom haven't been within 6,000 miles of any Big Six stadium :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
Exactly what I was thinking - however Wolves would win The European Super League by Christmas 'with that front 3'Quote:
Originally Posted by Watcliff
Sky's veiwing figures for live Premiership games last season were 14% down on the previous season. Last season was alledgedly the best in terms of quality [hmmm!] and this season it's even better with the players getting paid even more ! I have Sky, but I don't think I've sat down and watched a whole game yet, though as the nights draw in etc. that may change. But I'm close to cancelling, and may well decide to soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
A lot of talk on our boards about how much 'we' hate Leeds, but for me, those showbiz clubs with their 24/7 narcissistic managers, players and pouting 'fans' are the ones I genuinely dislike..
Viewing figures for European football are at their lowest, that’s why sky dumped these games. Bt are not getting the viewers they anticipated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
Is that because not enough people are prepared to pay for an extra subscription for the European stuff? You can guarantee viewing figures would have been higher had it remained on Sky. BT obviously took a gamble that "fans" would pay extra for Champions/Europa League football, a rather misguided one at that by the sounds of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
If the figures are down it's because BT are showing it and nothing more....imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
The global interest in the European elite clubs is at an all time high, hence the money currently in the game.
The rest of the Premier league clubs would do well to learn from the football leagues mistakes and give them a bigger slice of the pie to delay the inevitable.
You wouldn't expect the whole cast in a movie blockbuster to be paid the same as the main star after all
Remember Bristol City qualified for the Europa league whilst still in the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by binman
Well the fans thought they would..
Wow... Genuinely speechless at how you perceive football. So you basically want to ensure that no-one can ever do a Leicester again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
But which fans? More people than ever like top flight English football, that's why there's so much money available. It might not suit fans of smaller clubs like us, but for the majority of fans the current situation is absolutely fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It'll happen one day and probably sooner than we think. Teens and youngsters are used to playing PSG v Bayern and Real Madrid v Man Utd regularly on FIFA. You also mention fans like tradition but for today's youngsters, clubs like Sheffield Wednesday and Forest mean as much as Huddersfield and Preston when I was young.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
If they left the big clubs would survive, but it wouldn't be a six team league, it would be continent wide and probably packaged up with EA Sports. But some cannon fodder would go to the wall. It would also accelerate the current trend of clubs like Chelsea hoovering up young talent, and maybe their contracts wouldn't allow them to come down to the minor leagues if there's been a breakaway under a different association.
All this isn't a defence of the current situation, I think it's terribly sad that I might not see another Leicester, I'm just being realistic. The non-big-6 have a huge amount to lose by voting out the big boys and it wouldn't turn the clock back 30 years.
Same here, I'll watch the Final if I can and maybe the odd game when it becomes a knock out tournament, but I can't remember the last time I sat down and watched a pre Christmas game all the way through in that competition. The old style European Cup, which really was for Champions, was a far better competition than the current version, but, money is the be all and end all these days and the "biggest" club's needs have to be catered for first and foremost, no matter how mediocre they are on the pitch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
I don't want to at all. I can just recognise history repeating itself and as sure as night follows day the big clubs will squeeze more money out of the smaller clubs whether they like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues
It doesn't matter that you and Bob don't like the Champions league or don't want to watch ManU/Liverpool every other week, half of Asia do and like it or not football economics being how it is will sooner or later follow the money
Jose said that Everton should be challenging for top four having spent over 100m but the big sides in this division have spent close to that several seasons in a row. There is already massive inequality in most leagues due to champions league football (is there any point to working out which of real Madrid and Barcelona will score the most goals against a smaller Spanish side?) but this will just add to that. If the big clubs break away then football as we know it takes a potentially critical hit.
I think I first read about the possibility of a Super League involving the top teams in Europe while thumbing through a Charles Buchan's Football Monthly in the 60s - it's always been reported as not being far away, but fifty years later, it seems no closer than it was when George Best and Bobby Charlton were winning the European Cup for Man United.
I suppose the replacement for the European Cup with it's stream of meaningless games that do nothing more than reduce the possibility of one of the "super clubs" being knocked out early is quite close to what the "visionaries" were talking about in the sixties, but, if it is really anything like what a European League would look like in the future, then count me out. Truth be told, I don't think it would be half as successful as many claim it would - domestic leagues have rivalries going back decades that you just wouldn't get in some bland, antiseptic competition where the same few teams play each other year in, year out.
Apparently the 'Top 6' have approached Wolves.
You have misspelt universeQuote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi
If it happens, I expect it to be an explosive Bosman-like event. Maybe a huge name getting a career ender in an international friendly and a small FA is sued by PSG or some other giant.
They certainly won't be chucked out of their leagues by the other clubs.
Sounds like you dont watch the club you say you support very much. What would be the point of City trying to get promoted to the Premier League if they werent going to play the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal, Man Utd etc. The whole point of the pyramid system is to give fans something to aspire to and improve competition. It would all become meaningless with no enjoyment or hope for the fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The top of the pyramid has become very distorted with the same teams making it into the Champions League every year. I for one view this as a huge negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Regarding the City, I was there during the dark days of a few thousand supporters, and I quite enjoyed having half of the Bob Bank all to myself! Like many, I found the turning red episode a rather unpleasant experience and discovered other things to do. I really enjoy the local football scene, watching out for the next Gareth Bale, but I may make a comeback to the CCS if they offer half-season tickets after Xmas!
Can I sit next to you? :biggrin: