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Serena Williams cries sexism
Spoilt manipulative brat or does she have a point?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...ennis/45468290
I've heard the argument that women react differently to criticism and the umpire was wrong in his actions.
Unbelievably, IMO, the tennis authorities have backed her!
Is this the beginning of the end for men officiating on women's tennis?
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Must have been a right kick in the balls for her losing that final!
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She can act like a petulant child as she has such an inflated ego. She's got previous for this sort of thing and I genuinely she believes is bigger than womens tennis. She knows regardless of what she does Nike are lining her pocket more than winnings can, probably the bigger her profile stays more money she makes.
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Bloody awful WomMAN.
Makes me laugh , banging on about her kids thinking shes a cheat , well she said it loud enough to bring it to their attention
Then moved it to sexism
Phew we escaped the racism one I guess .
Dislike them both , they are not normally built women, and its been an unfair contest for a while in my humble view
Poor winner
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I love tennis and was watching this unfold. I can't say I'm particularly a fan of Serena, but have seen her twice at Wimbledon.
It was cringeworthy. She was acting like a brat, but the umpire kept his professionalism and dignity.
There are always sports people who think they ARE the game. (Ronaldo, Hamilton, Serena Williams, o'Sullivan, Detorri). Personally, I can't think of any other successful sportswoman who has a similar attitude to her, but can chose loads of men.
Gender is irrelevant though, and if they break the rules, they should be penalised.
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MacAdder
Spoilt manipulative brat or does she have a point?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...ennis/45468290
I've heard the argument that women react differently to criticism and the umpire was wrong in his actions.
Unbelievably, IMO, the tennis authorities have backed her!
Is this the beginning of the end for men officiating on women's tennis?
Most of her male and female colleagues seem to agree with her. So I'd say she has a point.
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The stats do not back her up
"What do the stats say?
Williams, a 23-time Grand Slam champion, was one of 10 women punished for code violations at this year's US Open, while 26 men were fined.
Most of the fines issued were for racquet violations - 14 men and five women.
Three men and three women were penalised for an audible obscenity, five men were fined for time delays, while four men and one woman were penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct.
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life on mars
Bloody awful WomMAN.
Makes me laugh , banging on about her kids thinking shes a cheat , well she said it loud enough to bring it to their attention
Then moved it to sexism
Phew we escaped the racism one I guess .
Dislike them both , they are not normally built women, and its been an unfair contest for a while in my humble view
Poor winner
Nothing sexist about this post. MUCH!
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life on mars
Bloody awful WomMAN.
Makes me laugh , banging on about her kids thinking shes a cheat , well she said it loud enough to bring it to their attention
Then moved it to sexism
Phew we escaped the racism one I guess .
Dislike them both , they are not normally built women, and its been an unfair contest for a while in my humble view
Poor winner
Usain Bolt was not a normally built man.
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NYCBlue
Most of her male and female colleagues seem to agree with her. So I'd say she has a point.
I'm assuming that you are on her side of the pond and basing your post on what you've heard on the 'loaded' news or newspapers.
Either that or those colleagues are 'Nike' sponsored also, in which case should their opinions not count?
I ask this because the colleagues I have heard disagree with her.
As has been said, rules are rules and this particular umpire has been shown to be consistent in enforcing them for both genders.
Williams has become increasingly vocal, both on and off court, and thinks she is bigger than the sport.
Looks like she is!
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mazadona10
She can act like a petulant child as she has such an inflated ego. She's got previous for this sort of thing and I genuinely she believes is bigger than womens tennis. She knows regardless of what she does Nike are lining her pocket more than winnings can, probably the bigger her profile stays more money she makes.
Agree with much of this but I think it's more about the narcissism than the money.
Her antics have robbed the new US Open champion, whose name escapes me :frown:, of the joy and glory she deserves.
The woman has zero class.
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Load of bollox. She's having a laugh. Pathetic.
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Auntie Andy
Nothing sexist about this post. MUCH!
:yikes:
Be good to get your view on the OP AA.
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Good to see the reasonable well balance views of the ccmb lads :hehe:
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Always though she was a man?
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KenfigBlues
Always though she was a man?
Her physic is certainly different to most average lady tennis players ,special genetics perhaps ??
According to Celebrity Net Worth, Williams is worth a staggering £140million ($180m
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life on mars
Her physic is certainly different to most average lady tennis players ,special genetics perhaps ??
According to Celebrity Net Worth, Williams is worth a staggering £140million ($180m
F**king hell.
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I personally thought she was a disgrace and took all the lime light from the actual champion, they talk equality but I don’t hear them saying they should be playing 5 sets
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Official kept to the letter of the law and therefore should be supported - he didn't deserve such abuse. Would he have kept to the letter of the law if it had been a male tennis player? Have the papers reported it differently compared to a man? Is that sexism? Serena is wrong for the way she behaved and reacted but does that mean there isn't sexism present?
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NYCBlue
Most of her male and female colleagues seem to agree with her. So I'd say she has a point.
Many female and Americans agree with her. Those outside this category seem to back the umpire.
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MacAdder
:yikes:
Be good to get your view on the OP AA.
I thought she was totally out of order and deserved to be punished.
However, what she doesn’t deserve are the disgusting comments made by sexist and racist pigs who think it’s OK to attack a woman for the way she looks and the colour of the pigment in her skin.
Some of the comments on her are just vile and some of you should be ashamed.
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surge
Official kept to the letter of the law and therefore should be supported - he didn't deserve such abuse. Would he have kept to the letter of the law if it had been a male tennis player? Have the papers reported it differently compared to a man? Is that sexism? Serena is wrong for the way she behaved and reacted but does that mean there isn't sexism present?
Btw, I appreciate the humour in someone calling sexism because they haven't been treated unfairly.
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surge
Many female and Americans agree with her. Those outside this category seem to back the umpire.
Fellow tennis professionals?
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NYCBlue
Most of her male and female colleagues seem to agree with her. So I'd say she has a point.
Only the vocal ones. She doesn't have a point, she embarrassed herself, realised she had embarrassed herself and instead of getting on with it, tried to play the victim card.
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NYCBlue
Fellow tennis professionals?
BBC had an article covering different opinions. Andrew Castle (as far as I know he's not regarded as a dinosaur of opinion) for example suggested Serena was in the wrong. See also: http://www.skysports.com/tennis/news...-greg-rusedski
Serena cannot defend the way she spoke to the umpire. All she's claiming is that a male tennis player would have been given more delicate treatment before going to the rule book to correctly call the several violations but, surely, no one can claim calling out any of the several violations was wrong. If we looked at in football or rugby, for example, her behaviour deserved one booking after another until she was sent off.
Isn't it pretty bad that the argument seems to be that in this case the female tennis player should be allowed to get away with bad behaviour because men can rather than male tennis players should in general play to the rules as well? Has Serena apologised for her verbal abuse yet?
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I have never understood this equality thing in tennis, women get the same prize money as the men but play less sets. What suprised me about Serena's outburst was the mention she has a daughter, she kept that quiet, oh no my mistake she doesnt stop going on about it.
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surge
BBC had an article covering different opinions. Andrew Castle (as far as I know he's not regarded as a dinosaur of opinion) for example suggested Serena was in the wrong. See also:
http://www.skysports.com/tennis/news...-greg-rusedski
Serena cannot defend the way she spoke to the umpire. All she's claiming is that a male tennis player would have been given more delicate treatment before going to the rule book to correctly call the several violations but, surely, no one can claim calling out any of the several violations was wrong. If we looked at in football or rugby, for example, her behaviour deserved one booking after another until she was sent off.
Isn't it pretty bad that the argument seems to be that in this case the female tennis player should be allowed to get away with bad behaviour because men can rather than male tennis players should in general play to the rules as well? Has Serena apologised for her verbal abuse yet?
The point is that even in every day life, men get away with it and women (especially black women) get called out on it. I haven't seen any threads about other tennis players having meltdown on court. I haven't seen it on the national news.
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Eric the Half a Bee
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NYCBlue
The point is that even in every day life, men get away with it and women (especially black women) get called out on it. I haven't seen any threads about other tennis players having meltdown on court. I haven't seen it on the national news.
I haven’t seen federer,nadal or Djokovic have a meltdown and start giving it the big un that that call wouldn’t be made against a female :shrug: if they did there would be outrage
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Eric the Half a Bee
:hehe: sorry AA
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NYCBlue
The point is that even in every day life, men get away with it and women (especially black women) get called out on it. I haven't seen any threads about other tennis players having meltdown on court. I haven't seen it on the national news.
But Serena hasn't said that she shouldn't get away with it? She verbally abused an official and is raising an issue about sexism. It would be a more focussed discussion if she apologised for her behaviour so the second part can be talked about only.
I bet you there was a thread about Buffon abusing the ref in the recent champions league game. I bet that was in national news.
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Are all you saying its sexism purposely missing the facts?
The stats do not back her up
"What do the stats say?
Williams, a 23-time Grand Slam champion, was one of 10 women punished for code violations at this year's US Open, while 26 men were fined.
Most of the fines issued were for racquet violations - 14 men and five women.
Three men and three women were penalised for an audible obscenity, five men were fined for time delays, while four men and one woman were penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct.
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jamieccfc
I haven’t seen federer,nadal or Djokovic have a meltdown and start giving it the big un that that call wouldn’t be made against a female :shrug: if they did there would be outrage
Google "Federer meltdown".
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Igovernor
Are all you saying its sexism purposely missing the facts?
The stats do not back her up
"What do the stats say?
Williams, a 23-time Grand Slam champion, was one of 10 women punished for code violations at this year's US Open, while 26 men were fined.
Most of the fines issued were for racquet violations - 14 men and five women.
Three men and three women were penalised for an audible obscenity, five men were fined for time delays, while four men and one woman were penalised for unsportsmanlike conduct.
Were they docked points or games?
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jamieccfc
:hehe: sorry AA
Let’s see a photo of your athletic prowess then. Or perhaps a photo of all, the stunners you’ve dated in your time. Why are men such sexist Pigs?
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I've not looked it up, but I would have thought the Williams sisters have been around the professional tennis scene for the whole of this century and I've not liked either of them from the first time I saw them - I don't like the way either of them play the game (too crash, bang, wallop) and I don't like their on court manner. Now, if I had said that back in 2000, I may have got people disagreeing with my opinion, but I don't think I would have got people accusing me of being a sexist and a racist (two things I never am intentionally) - the world has changed since then though and I'm sure someone would eventually fling those accusations at me in an argument (particularly an online one) now.
Time has made me change my opinion of Venus slightly, but Serena is also a grade A drama queen (there I go being sexist again - show me a term which describes such tendencies as succinctly, but doesn't give the impression that drama queens have to be women and I'll use it). As has been said in this thread already, she has previous for this sort of thing and it wasn't a surprise to wake up on Sunday and hear about her latest on court rantings.
I can remember watching a documentary about Serena two or three years ago, so she must have been well past thirty when it was made and what struck me most was that often she came across as being quite childish. This was a reminder that she is a member of a tennis generation which often included young girls in their early teens who would play in all of the big tournaments - in many cases, it's possible to imagine them not having much of a childhood as pushy parents kept on to them to spend as many of their waking hours on the tennis court as possible.
That's hardly a blueprint for producing well rounded adults and, although she can be an impressive speaker at times, Serena has never struck me as being one of those.
It seems this whole argument blew up because Serena's coach was coaching her during play (something he can do in "ordinary" tournaments apparently, but not in Grand Slam events) . The man has admitted doing this, offering the defence that every one else does it. I've also seen it be claimed that it would have been impossible for Serena to have seen this coaching given where she was stood at the time - they both seem like pretty feeble excuses to me.
The fact that there were no allegations of sexism from Serena on court, but the subject was raised later in her press conference leads, rightly or wrongly, to suggestions that this was a ruse cooked up in the interim to try and justify her behaviour towards an umpire who, as I understand it, may have been strict in his interpretation of the rules, but did not enforce them incorrectly. It's so easy to fling such allegations around these days - sometimes they are justified, but just as often they are used as a kind of smokescreen to deflect from bad behaviour on someone's part and I think that's what's happening here.
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Sorry, another double post - I really am going to have to by a new mouse.
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