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If we were safe and looking behind us I'd be saying what a great relegation dog fight it is this year. 2 games to go for most teams, nobody relegated yet, any 3 from 7 teams to go down. Could even be 3 from 7 going into the final game I think.
Unfortunately we are part of it and I'm hating it.
I’m actually enjoying it, much more exciting than a boring mid table finish.
I do think we’ll win Thursday and be safe, if we lose I may well have a different opinion.
Ex players always come back to bite us on the arse so I’m praying Hugill has a mare 🫣
Haha yes, I feel the same. It's nice to feel invested at this point in the season instead of a boring game to secure 12th. Makes the wins mean something.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
That being said it has also come with terrible existential dread when we lose or miss a penalty, so I'll be glad for a 'normal' year next year (if we get one!).
It would be better if it wasn’t for the points deductions. That situation devalues the competition as far as I’m concerned.
I’ve put a bet on us to go down ,I hope the bet doesn’t come in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liles93
We can only pray!
I agree, but there needs to be some punishment and points dedication is one of the harshest. I’d be more comfortable if the dedication started at the beginning of the next season. I am happy to benefit from it at the moment though.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The Reading points deduction might still save us yetQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
:hehe:There’s no words, only I hope that our dedication starts from now:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
Fcking predictive text haha yeah the time for dedication is long gone. Let’s hang on by the skin of our teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
I deduced that:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
Does breaking the rules devalue it as well? Reading could have avoided it.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I always suspected you were an expert on business plans. I just knew it.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
Exactly. It isn’t that hard to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
It isn’t hard to understand at all. Never mind good goalkeepers, defenders, midfielders or strikers - what you need in the Championship these days is a clever accountant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Dandruff
Are you? Surely we leave that up to EFL and the clubs, what a weird thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
No, of course I’m not. Which is kind of the point. We’re football fans, not finance experts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo
I’ve done some reading up on the Reading situation and, bizarrely, it seems they have been docked points because they didn’t manage to raise enough money through player sales and therefore breached a business plan. This was decided by the CFRP after the matter was raised by the CFRU.
Brilliant, huh?
Don't agree a plan with the EFL which you don't follow (and probably had no intention to follow).Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Reading broke FFP rules, then broke the plan agreed with EFL.
What would you like to have happen?
Was it FFP rules? Or P&S rules? Or both? Have the CFRP told the EFL what the sanctions should be or was that decided by the CFRU?Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
What would I like to have happened? I’d like to have seen Reading automatically relegated to the National League and their place in the Championship awarded to Wrexham. Just to piss you off a bit more.
No answers, just snark.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
No wonder there's better football talk on Bakers site.
Logic would indicate you should post there instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
You could join up, boycott it but conveniently post using friends accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
That would be silly. I’ve got no interest in it whatsoever. Indeed, I didn’t even know it existed until you mentioned it.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
Here’s a question for you: if Reading have been docked points by the EFL for breaching Profitability & Sustainability rules, have the actions of the league made the football club either more profitable or sustainable?
So you don't w=want to answer questions yet want yours answered?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Again, Reading made an agreement which they went on to breach.
What do you expect EFL to do? Ignore it? Fine them?
Reading have been docked points. Reading can still stay up. It's the most reasonable solution to the offences Reading have committed.
So what would YOU want to see happen?
Above all else, I would like to see clubs keep points they have earned.Quote:
Originally Posted by logic
I would like the EFL to put some proper regulations in place (such as genuine salary and transfer caps) which stop overspending in the first place rather than punish it retrospectively, sometimes years later, especially as the clubs who spend the most never seem to attract any sanctions.
If clubs in the Championship are being deducted points every season, as has happened for the last five seasons on the trot, then it’s blatantly obvious that the current set-up is broken.
I’m not a financial expert. I don’t have all the answers and don’t pretend to. All I know is these points deductions at Championship level are just bullshit and they devalue the competition.
Salary caps do work in American sports, to a degree, but can also be gamed. NFL, for example, Tom Brady regularly took below market rates for his position to enable more money to get more talent around him; he made up shortfall through sponsorship. Didn't hurt his wife was loaded.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The problem is, how would caps work here. Different leagues would have different caps - what happens when teams get promoted or relegated, adjustments would need to be made to be fair. What would stop teams reporting salary incorrectly, to break the cap? What punishment should be applied given a competitive advantage was reached?
I disagree the deductions devalue the competition. Where only fines occur, teams don't care. Bournemouth smashed FFP to get promoted to the Prem initially; different competitions, so couldn't be docked points or embargoed, so got a £7m fine when TV rights for finishing last in the Prem was £107m at the time.
In a spectacularly egregious offence, then any punishment needs to be incredibly strong. In Readings case, arguably they got off lightly the second time. They still have a chance of staying in the Champ.
I've always said I'd rather be in a relegation battle than mid table boredom.Quote:
Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927
Love the tension.