Did Tomlin kick it out of the keeper's hands? It looked like it had just left his hands so should have been a goal.
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Did Tomlin kick it out of the keeper's hands? It looked like it had just left his hands so should have been a goal.
Possibly, but they never get given.
A striker in that situation is not allowed to move. It's the law.
Look up Georgie Best Gordon Banks.
Law12 FIFA
Offences committed against goalkeepers
• It is an offence for a player to prevent a goalkeeper from releasing the ball
from his hands
• A player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or
attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing
it
• It is an offence to restrict the movement of the goalkeeper by unfairly
impeding him
Tomlin carefully stayed at the keeper's side so the 3rd rule is not infringed.
Tomlin did not prevent the keeper from releasing the ball - in fact he waited for him to do it. So the first rule is not infringed.
The decision for the ref appears to be whether there was an attempt to kick the ball
when the keeper was "in the process of releasing it." There must also be a decision that what happened was dangerous. This rule conflates 2 situations.
That keeper threw the ball into the air, intending to kick it as it fell. Once he had done so, he had released it.
There was no danger.
I think there is a perfectly good argument that it was a valid goal,
Furthermore Tomlin was booked, presumably for dangerous play. So the ref must have thought it was dangerous, perhaps even when the ball had been released and he was entitled to go for it?
These laws are a bit of a shambles, in particular law 2.
:ayatollah:
Just saw the replay on sky sports, the ball is definitely released, Tomkins boot is not much higher than the keepers and he was never going to hurt him.
I thought at the time he was stupid trying to do it, but looking at the replay I think it was a fair challenge
On the radio wales phone-in, Blakey explained that even though the goalie throws the ball he’s deemed to still be in control of it, if the ball bounced then it wouldve been ok.
Just think, if they allowed this it would happen with every time the keeper kicked the ball out and we'd go back to those ridiculous days of strikers chasing keepers around the box.
The keeper is regarded as in control of the ball until he's kicked it. It wasn't a goal, you should be more aggrieved about the failure to give a pen for pulling Morrison to the ground minutes later.
That's what I thought of as soon as the incident happened. But I was looking from the Grandstand and Tomlin blocked my view of what the Millwall keeper did with the ball, so not sure if the situations were close enough for comparison. Anyway, this was Eto'o stealing the ball from Marshall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXfnJmjpveM
I don't really see how the keeper can kick the ball without letting go of it. Worth a try but even Tomlins celebration was half-hearted.
Everyone in the ground knew it wasn't a goal. The only people who would have given were not present.
Can't believe so many people don't know the rules.:facepalm:
A few more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB3g_oT1VJU
The law is an ass then - the Millwall keeper was obviously not in possession of the ball when Tomlin committed the "foul" and the challenge he put in would have been deemed a fair one if it had been between two outfield players contesting a loose ball. However, the powers that be, perhaps understandably, do not want to see the consequences of what would follow if goals like that were allowed to stand.
Regardless of whether it was a goal or not,the run and shot beforehand and incident itself showed a bit of ingenuity,craft and creativity that we have been missing for large parts of the season,and I would love to see Tomlin start the next game.
I found Tomlins behaviour very strange. Whether it should technically have stood or not, let's face it that no-one expected the ref to allow it. So for Tomlin to do it and then the way he celebrated was almost as he was joking around. Would have been funny if we were winning but it just wasted time when we were trying to nick a winner.
Oh god, i have just left the Facebook fan page because of the amount of people who are arguing this one still, even though i have provided the rules. It is deemed in the keepers control until thrown, kicked or dropped to the ground. NO GOAL.
Then 1 of them when he realises i am correct says "are you a jack or summit"......
So by that ruling, if we allow that no keeper will be able to kick a ball again because strikers will be there waiting to kick it as he wants to boot it away..... if someone did that to us tomorrow you would probably kick off for being close to him trying to play it away.
He's kicking it, he does exactly like the same as any other keeper when they kick it. There's absolutely nothing else that he could have been doing.
The rule is clear, you just can't do that now. I expect it's to stop high feet (you have to get your foot to pretty much mid-riff level to nick it). The rule's been around for a few seasons now so the players should know, and I've seen players booked for doing it.
It's fair enough to me anyway. Who wants to see this happening in a game? Pretty crappy way to try and score.
Are we still doing this? :hehe:
Ref spot on.
Tomlin idiot, could easily have been booked (decent effort just before mind)
Perhaps if we debate it say for three pages, the rules might change :shrug:
Law 12
"A player must be penalised for playing in a dangerous manner if he kicks or
attempts to kick the ball when the goalkeeper is in the process of releasing
it"