A Foreboding....

Here in France it's a COMPLETE lockdown.....no going out unless absolutely essential..and even then one must sign a declaration that it IS essential...else police can stop and fine you...or more...Also a curvew after 6pm.

Now then....this whole scenario is WAY more serious than governments are letting on. Do you REALLY think they will pay utility bills/mortgages etc etc.....if not a cataclysmic situation??? It is an odd similarity that it seems to reflect many films and books.

What is next? What will happen when there are not enough workers to keep electricity and water functioning? Think about it...it is not so far-fetched.... I have been re-watching/reading THE STAND by Stephen King...https://www.google.com/search?q=thes...20king%20video just skip episode 2....

This is an unprecedented situation in human history...when/how will it end? Yes the numbers compared with say Spanish flu even seem muted as yet.....but propagate the deaths per million people....given that it is far more contagious.... .only the Black Death around 1370 will compare.

In some ways here I am fortunate in that we live pretty much on our own...but still have to go shopping once a week....but what happens when all supermarkets staff and delivery drivers get ill? They have to close also. Is this a forerunner to survival of the fittest? Is that why people in the US are buying guns and ammunition? To set up and protect enclaves??

I really cannot see this ending for some years yet....and wonder what will left of life as we now know it......

Looking at the figures in China offers hope. Their rate of infection is now down to almost nil inside two months of the first infections coming to the light. The key question is will it stay that way when they come out of lockdown.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Looking at the figures in China offers hope. Their rate of infection is now down to almost nil inside two months of the first infections coming to the light. The key question is will it stay that way when they come out of lockdown.

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I'd suggest looking at figures in China isn't a good idea.

After all, they prevented news of it getting out for how many weeks? Arrested the whistleblowing doctor...

Jesus Christ get a grip. Even if you think all this, why not just keep it to yourself?

It's a message board, butt.

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Jesus Christ get a grip. Even if you think all this, why not just keep it to yourself?

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He's in France, it's happening, when it hits same level here next week you may be thinking the same.

It's got to be good to have a heads up.

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

I'd suggest looking at figures in China isn't a good idea.

After all, they prevented news of it getting out for how many weeks? Arrested the whistleblowing doctor...

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Why would you think that ignoring the data coming out of China is a good idea?

Regardless of the nature of the regime and how they originally managed the outbreak do you think there is nothing we can learn from that experience and how they are managing it down to some kind of normality compared with where we are so it should be just chucked in the bin?

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Originally Posted by tell it like it is

I'd suggest looking at figures in China isn't a good idea.

After all, they prevented news of it getting out for how many weeks? Arrested the whistleblowing doctor...

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Even if that is true about China, people are recovering from it in plenty of other countries.

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Originally Posted by Philo2

He's in France, it's happening, when it hits same level here next week you may be thinking the same.

It's got to be good to have a heads up.

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I am fully aware of what's about to happen here. But all this fear mongering is just ridiculous, potentially years? On what basis? Same with the electricity etc.

Acting as if the governments aren't taking it seriously as well, what ****ing planet does this guy inhabit. Spreading fear is the opposite of what anyone should be doing

Life changing effects will last year's even if they find a vaccine in the next few weeks (will take 12 months at least). Forget cheap flights, holidays, cars and commodities, they are gone.

May actually be beneficial in long term as carbon footprint could be cut far more than through any voluntary measures

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Originally Posted by Philo2

Life changing effects will last year's even if they find a vaccine in the next few weeks (will take 12 months at least). Forget cheap flights, holidays, cars and commodities, they are gone.

May actually be beneficial in long term as carbon footprint could be cut far more than through any voluntary measures

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Like I said, fully aware of how bad this will get over the coming months and the future and the long term affects this will have, but this clown is acting like we are about to enter an apocalypse.

I am not a fan of alarmist language, especially during a time like this where people are already panicked and are in hysteria over the future. How is this guy saying stuff like this

"What is next? What will happen when there are not enough workers to keep electricity and water functioning?"

"but what happens when all supermarkets staff and delivery drivers get ill?"

"Is this a forerunner to survival of the fittest? "

"This is an unprecedented situation in human history...when/how will it end? Yes the numbers compared with say Spanish flu even seem muted as yet.....but propagate the deaths per million people....given that it is far more contagious.... .only the Black Death around 1370 will compare."


In any way helpful? Sorry if you want me to just agree with this and work myself up over how this is about to end humanity

I can see where your both coming from

I think the fact that we have gone from a relatively safe, known, comfortable (for most on here I think) existence to one that is uncomfortably close to matching works of scary fiction, virtually overnight, makes people start to wonder.

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Like I said, fully aware of how bad this will get over the coming months and the future and the long term affects this will have, but this clown is acting like we are about to enter an apocalypse.

I am not a fan of alarmist language, especially during a time like this where people are already panicked and are in hysteria over the future. How is this guy saying stuff like this

"What is next? What will happen when there are not enough workers to keep electricity and water functioning?"

"but what happens when all supermarkets staff and delivery drivers get ill?"

"Is this a forerunner to survival of the fittest? "

"This is an unprecedented situation in human history...when/how will it end? Yes the numbers compared with say Spanish flu even seem muted as yet.....but propagate the deaths per million people....given that it is far more contagious.... .only the Black Death around 1370 will compare."


In any way helpful? Sorry if you want me to just agree with this and work myself up over how this is about to end humanity

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I completely agree with you

The darkest foreboding I've had concerning what's happening is the possible cancellation of this year's series of The X-Factor.

Yes it's concerning, my brother lost his long term job in hospitality yesterday, he's fortunate to have some savings to rely on. How this has turned the world upside down in a matter of months feels like it's out of a sci fi movie.

However I'm personally trying to limit what I read on this because of posts like OP which I have seen all over social media over the past few weeks, they are no good and just spread panic, which is probably why there's been a mad rush in supermarkets over the past week

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Looking at the figures in China offers hope. Their rate of infection is now down to almost nil inside two months of the first infections coming to the light. The key question is will it stay that way when they come out of lockdown.

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I’ve spoken to suppliers in 2 regions there and they are back working and say everything is under control

They feel they have beaten itl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJUhlRoBL8M

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

I’ve spoken to suppliers in 2 regions there and they are back working and say everything is under control

They feel they have beaten itl

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That sounds like good news, hopefully its true and if so we learn something in case the next one is worse (assuming we survive this one 😎)

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

I’ve spoken to suppliers in 2 regions there and they are back working and say everything is under control

They feel they have beaten itl

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That’s good to hear. The rate of infection is now slowing in Italy as well. What happens in these two countries over the next few months is crucial. If they have beaten this virus maybe it won’t end up as bad as we are being led to believe.

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Originally Posted by Lawnmower

I’ve spoken to suppliers in 2 regions there and they are back working and say everything is under control

They feel they have beaten itl

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I have doubts on the China figures BUT the region is getting back to normal.

South Korean figures are also very interesting, showing a downward curve.

What do both countries have in common, a population that, largely, does what it is told.

Hopefully the Italians, French and Spanish will do too, as well as us in the UK.

My biggest concern at the moment is holding onto my job, keeping my parents out of harm's way, and hoping that there are not more waves to come. I am not sure what happens if this lockdown doesn't see a downward curve in Italy or France because I don't know how long people will put up with it.

Luckily, in the UK, we are behind the curves of mainland Europe, Iran, Korea and China.

The only way to beat this is through isolation.

Here's what we know
The virus shell is broken up by soap and water.... therefore washing hands is going to be effective
Many people have tested positive without feeling any symptoms or only mild symptoms. Therefore, there may be a lot of people who have had it, recovered, and not known..... Devise a test to see if people have ever had Covid-19
Italian new cases seems to be plateauing at the moment.... same as with a lot of epidemic/pandemics - reach a peak then decline

The key thing is the rate of decline.

Government needs to open up it's data for other scientific opinion.

As for the OP. Bore off. We all feel panicky at the moment, you've just posted conspirational theory stuff and, as this progresses, fully expect war-time conditions to be imposed. That means that talk such as yours can get you into a lot of trouble.

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

I am fully aware of what's about to happen here. But all this fear mongering is just ridiculous, potentially years? On what basis? Same with the electricity etc.

Acting as if the governments aren't taking it seriously as well, what ****ing planet does this guy inhabit. Spreading fear is the opposite of what anyone should be doing

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Good luck keeping a population in lock down for years, especially when the death rate of the illness is low. Given a choice of watching my job, house, and livelihood go down the pan or going to work and risking getting the virus - I'd take the second option.

We will, eventually, work around this. As more data becomes available, they will have a more accurate model.

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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

That’s good to hear. The rate of infection is now slowing in Italy as well. What happens in these two countries over the next few months is crucial. If they have beaten this virus maybe it won’t end up as bad as we are being led to believe.

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I agree. It's all about the rate of decrease once a country hits its peak. I really hope Italy have hit their peak, considering we should now start seeing the effects of their lockdown. If they have, then the key thing to look at next is how quickly the rate of new infections goes down.

I have to say, I am concerned about all of this because I don't know how long we are in this for (before we hit our peak - a supposed 10 weeks, I can't see my job lasting that long) - but also looking at China, South Korea, possibly Italy this week, possibly Spain and France next week it may be that this turns out to be manageable. If the Government know the worst case scenario, and know it is 1% likely, they will still prepare for that worse case.

Holiday and car prices will, as always, be determined by market forces. Production costs will be lower due to the current oil price too.

The O P must be pissed , this is infecting the old gimmers . Get a grip , drama queen

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

Good luck keeping a population in lock down for years, especially when the death rate of the illness is low. Given a choice of watching my job, house, and livelihood go down the pan or going to work and risking getting the virus - I'd take the second option.

We will, eventually, work around this. As more data becomes available, they will have a more accurate model.

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Yeah I have doubts people will adhere to constant lock downs. Once the cases go down and deaths dwindle, people will be back out to normal life because they all need to earn and socialise, it's going to be very hard for the government to enforce another one unless the military get heavily involved (as you've mentioned, we are not like China, our citizens do not fear the government).

The Black Death??? I think we've a way to go really.

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The Black Death??? I think we've a way to go really.

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I use the libraries quite a lot. I ordered this book a couple of months ago and picked it up a couple of days ago !

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...1-great-plague

Elsewhere scientists hope that around 60% of the population contract some form of COVID-19. In this way humanity will develop a herd immunity because this virus is coming back next year as well and there just enough resource to vaccinate everybody once a vaccine is available

I guarantee in a month sludge will be on here trying to offload packs of bog roll.
The amount of shit stirring going on in the press and social media is i think almost unprecedented.
Plenty of flock mentality going on with people not thinking with a clear mind.
There is no need to panic there is no need to stockpile.

let common sense prevail

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

I guarantee in a month sludge will be on here trying to offload packs of bog roll.
The amount of shit stirring going on in the press and social media is i think almost unprecedented.
Plenty of flock mentality going on with people not thinking with a clear mind.
There is no need to panic there is no need to stockpile.

let common sense prevail

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I think there's a limited amount of shit stirring you can really do with the measures that are in place across the world. "Italy and France in total lockdown" "Europe bans travel" "USA closes border with Canada" kind of do the stirring themselves by being, you know, facts.

But TotalITK on the internet knows best and has guaranteed that in a month it'll be over.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

I guarantee in a month sludge will be on here trying to offload packs of bog roll.
The amount of shit stirring going on in the press and social media is i think almost unprecedented.
Plenty of flock mentality going on with people not thinking with a clear mind.
There is no need to panic there is no need to stockpile.

let common sense prevail

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Possibly so but London will be locked down by the weekend with restrictions on non essential travel.

Supermarkets can still supply and pharmacies will remain open.

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

I guarantee in a month sludge will be on here trying to offload packs of bog roll.
The amount of shit stirring going on in the press and social media is i think almost unprecedented.
Plenty of flock mentality going on with people not thinking with a clear mind.
There is no need to panic there is no need to stockpile.

let common sense prevail

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Absolutely.

Also, panic is much easier to spread than it was during the Swine Flu pandemic ten years ago because more people have social media these days. Facebook and Twitter were still relatively new back then.

A deep thinking cynic would say that they don't even believe that there is a 'corona virus'.

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Originally Posted by B. Oddie

A f**king attention seeking idiot trying to look special on the internet would say that they don't even believe that there is a 'corona virus'.

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Fixed it for you

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Fixed it for you

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by light up the darkness

Elsewhere scientists hope that around 60% of the population contract some form of COVID-19. In this way humanity will develop a herd immunity because this virus is coming back next year as well and there just enough resource to vaccinate everybody once a vaccine is available

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Makes sense. I also wonder how many people had it and never even knew they had it. Lots of people complain of minor symptoms, and a few have tested positive and experienced nothing at all.

I am more worried for the vulnerable, and our economy than getting Coronavirus myself. Italy are in day 8 of lockdown, recorded a record number of cases. I wonder how strict that lockdown actually is.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I think there's a limited amount of shit stirring you can really do with the measures that are in place across the world. "Italy and France in total lockdown" "Europe bans travel" "USA closes border with Canada" kind of do the stirring themselves by being, you know, facts.

But TotalITK on the internet knows best and has guaranteed that in a month it'll be over.

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in a month sludge will be selling bog roll?
is that slow enough for you?
now feck off and and hoard all you like

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Originally Posted by ToTaL ITK

in a month sludge will be selling bog roll?
is that slow enough for you?
now feck off and and hoard all you like

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I am hoarding absolutely f**k all. You seem to be under the impression that there's only two groups - the blindly arrogant people like you, and the hoarders.

There's also tens of millions normal people in the middle who are intelligent enough to understand that this is a serious situation that needs action being taken so are taking steps to protect themselves and others, but who are also keeping their heads and not panicking about it.

Now either feck off or carry on making a show of yourself, I don't really care.

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Absolutely.

Also, panic is much easier to spread than it was during the Swine Flu pandemic ten years ago because more people have social media these days. Facebook and Twitter were still relatively new back then.

A deep thinking cynic would say that they don't even believe that there is a 'corona virus'.

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Unreal you're still spreading this shit

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Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue

Unreal you're still spreading this shit

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Eh?

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Eh?

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A few days ago you were saying because, you're intelligent, you think the media attention is a distraction from something else. Now you're saying that, as you're a deep thinker, you don't think there is a corona virus.

That might be the shit he's talking about. :shrug:

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A few days ago you were saying because, you're intelligent, you think the media attention is a distraction from something else. Now you're saying that, as you're a deep thinker, you don't think there is a corona virus.

That might be the shit he's talking about. :shrug:

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Please highlight where I've said that I don't think there is a Corona Virus.