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What the hell was going on there?
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Is this going to exceed Chelsea v City arrest and banning order in 2010 , it was a proud day for the club , and being knocked off the perch by scum Tories is disgusting
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100 Not Out.
What, the 100 people who have been fined still work there? That is reassuring as I thought Johnson might have thrown a few of them under a bus
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Sounds like a superspreader event :hehe:
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Where is Sue Gray
They should sue Gray!
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Will Boris & Co still be partying in Downing Street during the monkeypox lockdowns :sherlock:
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Sue Gray report due sometime this week apparently. Why on earth should anyone who was fined be given the chance to object to the report? (see today's 5.00pm deadline etc). Where is the impartiality in that?
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After first saying that Sue Gray instigated the meeting with Johnson to discuss her report, his spokesperson has admitted that it was the PM. Why try to convey a totally different impression if it was all honest and above board?
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Dear oh dear oh dear. Even the scum reporters can’t defend this one https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/stat...EkCCj8Uj-W7pHQ
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And he was supposed to be self isolating https://twitter.com/bethanyusher/sta...EkCCj8Uj-W7pHQ
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Look at the bottles and cans on the table - typical of the sort of leaving parties I went to plenty of times in the Civil Service and yet there’s a video of Johnson denying there was a party that day.
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Look at the bottles and cans on the table - typical of the sort of leaving parties I went to plenty of times in the Civil Service and yet there’s a video of Johnson denying there was a party that day.
I suppose the most generous thing you could say is that the No 10 team has got sharper by at least getting ahead of the news rather than just reacting to it. However, the weekend briefing against Sue Gray, probably the only person coming out of this with integrity, was just shabby and shameful.
How many Ministers does it take doing media duty to trot out prescribed lines from No 10, the latest being Simon Clarke, after Zahawi's dissembling at the weekend, that fall apart within hours, before these people think propping up a liar with lies is not worth the effort?
Not enough it seems!
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No wonder ex civil servants celebrate , as they leave with early retiring deals to take up healthy pensions and tax free lump sums .
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Boris Johnson's barmy army of supporters in the Cabinet are fast running out of credibility with the latest revelations today. When the Sue Gray report appears later this week (maybe even tomorrow according to BBC News at Ten) there can be no further procrastination possible. Either these Tories continue to back a morally bankrupt PM or vote him out of office asap. I will be writing to our M.P. (who happens to be a Tory) to suggest that he does the latter. If it does come down to a vote of no confidence then I will certainly be checking which way our M.P. voted.
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Boris Johnson's barmy army of supporters in the Cabinet are fast running out of credibility with the latest revelations today. When the Sue Gray report appears later this week (maybe even tomorrow according to BBC News at Ten) there can be no further procrastination possible. Either these Tories continue to back a morally bankrupt PM or vote him out of office asap. I will be writing to our M.P. (who happens to be a Tory) to suggest that he does the latter. If it does come down to a vote of no confidence then I will certainly be checking which way our M.P. voted.
All the Cabinet owe their jobs and lavish lifestyles to Johnson and there are many many Tory backbenchers anxiously waiting to be promoted: I really can't envisage a mass revolt against Big Dog!
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Another one, and it wasn't investigated by Gray or the Met. I'd imagine there'll be more of these dripping out over the weeks, but on the plus side the tories will start providing some help for the cost of living crisis as a distraction.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...242106370?s=19
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Another one, and it wasn't investigated by Gray or the Met. I'd imagine there'll be more of these dripping out over the weeks, but on the plus side the tories will start providing some help for the cost of living crisis as a distraction.
https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/stat...242106370?s=19
If the political class lied about the risk of covid by partying and having a curry, might they have lied about other things ?
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If the political class lied about the risk of covid by partying and having a curry, might they have lied about other things ?
They didn't lie about the risk of Covid. They just didn't care.
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Tito Fuente
They didn't lie about the risk of Covid. They just didn't care.
Yes right :hehe:
Imagine how many people 100 attendees would have put at risk, indirectly, not forgetting catering staff , security, taxi drivers etc. There was no risk. They knew it.
The rule makers were the rule breakers - do the maths.
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Yes right :hehe:
Imagine how many people 100 attendees would have put at risk, indirectly, not forgetting catering staff , security, taxi drivers etc. There was no risk. They knew it.
The rule makers were the rule breakers - do the maths.
Either every government in the world decided to lie about the risk for a good 18 months simultaneously
Or
They thought what most people think about potentially bad things - it won't happen to me, and if it does, I'll probably be ok.
Which is more likely?
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Either every government in the world decided to lie about the risk for a good 18 months simultaneously
Or
They thought what most people think about potentially bad things - it won't happen to me, and if it does, I'll probably be ok.
Which is more likely?
Every government in the world didn’t follow the same pathway though and the ones who did probably received financial grants etc to do so.
This was before the vax rollout as well wasn’t it, and not that long after the PM was discharged from hospital.
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TWGL1
Every government in the world didn’t follow the same pathway though and the ones who did probably received financial grants etc to do so.
This was before the vax rollout as well wasn’t it, and not that long after the PM was discharged from hospital.
Just about every country took measures against covid of some sort. The majority had some kind of lockdown at one point.
I don't think the staff in Number 10 ignoring their own rules is an indication that the risks of covid were not real.
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Just about every country took measures against covid of some sort. The majority had some kind of lockdown at one point.
I don't think the staff in Number 10 ignoring their own rules is an indication that the risks of covid were not real.
No it's just an indication that they are a bunch of arrogant tossers with contempt for the public.
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The latest Government excuse appears to be that as Johnson’s staff were working harder than anyone else they deserved the right to “let off steam” occasionally (if every week qualifies as occasionally). So, let that be a lesson to you all you NHS staff, others in both public and private sectors - if you pull your fingers out next time there’s a deadly pandemic maybe you too can get pissed, throw up and chuck wine over the walls like the heroes in number 10 did.
Johnson takes “full responsibility” for what I reckon must be for the tenth time for what went wrong - has there ever been a more hollow political apology?
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Just about every country took measures against covid of some sort. The majority had some kind of lockdown at one point.
I don't think the staff in Number 10 ignoring their own rules is an indication that the risks of covid were not real.
How was it allowed then , and passed by his public protection , bearing in mind he and a significant amount of the attendee’s we’re back in the House of Commons the next day putting potentially the whole of the Government (and opposition) at risk ?
They would have known the real risk before the public, hence why it was authorised by his bodyguards, health advocates etc.
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TWGL1
Yes right :hehe:
Imagine how many people 100 attendees would have put at risk, indirectly, not forgetting catering staff , security, taxi drivers etc. There was no risk. They knew it.
The rule makers were the rule breakers - do the maths.
Yes right :hehe:
There was no risk yet millions have died due to Covid. Hundreds of thousands in the UK.
You do the maths (at least you didn't use an Americanism this time).
Being a Covid denier is a bit trashy, don't you think? People on this forum are likely to have lost someone close to them due to Covid and here you are telling us all that it's all lies.
But hey, it's only a personal attack if we say nasty things about you.
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Be careful how you phrase things , and who’s denied anything, Clearly it’s something that’s affects people over a certain age with co-morbidity elements to health.
Why am I compelled to ask these questions when nobody in the MSM are asking them ?
I don’t mind you saying “ nasty “ things to me if I knew you but I don’t , as long as you would say the same things to me to my face which I suspect you wouldn’t would you ?
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Be careful how you phrase things , and who’s denied anything, Clearly it’s something that’s affects people over a certain age with co-morbidity elements to health.
Why am I compelled to ask these questions when nobody in the MSM are asking them ?
I don’t mind you saying “ nasty “ things to me if I knew you but I don’t , as long as you would say the same things to me to my face which I suspect you wouldn’t would you ?
I would absolutely say them to your face. Why on earth wouldn't I challenge the absolute tripe you say on here if I heard you say it in person.
Your views are frankly offensive. Not because they are different to mine but you consistently deny facts and believe everything your read that you don't like is a hoax or fake news
"Why am I compelled to ask these questions when nobody in the MSM are asking them ?"
I dread to think what this question actually means.
You're categorically wrong about the risks of Covid and whether you can face that fact or not, you will be consistently corrected and presented with the evidence that shows your are wrong - and sometimes you also be belittled for your views/questions/opinions (delete as appropriate) by myself and others as you deserve nothing but contempt for some of the absolute rubbish you have posted on here.
Have a lovely evening.
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Tito Fuente
I would absolutely say them to your face. Why on earth wouldn't I challenge the absolute tripe you say on here if I heard you say it in person.
Your views are frankly offensive. Not because they are different to mine but you consistently deny facts and believe everything your read that you don't like is a hoax or fake news
"Why am I compelled to ask these questions when nobody in the MSM are asking them ?"
I dread to think what this question actually means.
You're categorically wrong about the risks of Covid and whether you can face that fact or not, you will be consistently corrected and presented with the evidence that shows your are wrong - and sometimes you also be belittled for your views/questions/opinions (delete as appropriate) by myself and others as you deserve nothing but contempt for some of the absolute rubbish you have posted on here.
Have a lovely evening.
I don’t particularly care what you think, or others in-fact. I didn’t have a party or break the rules so I find it perplexing that the top table of government did without the same concern as the public and as you say what the “Data” is telling them. It’s obvious to me and most of my social circle why they did. You don’t have to agree though.
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TWGL1
Yes right :hehe:
Imagine how many people 100 attendees would have put at risk, indirectly, not forgetting catering staff , security, taxi drivers etc. There was no risk. They knew it.
The rule makers were the rule breakers - do the maths.
You make no allowance for people at works events/parties/gatherings or whatever Johnson and his apologists are calling them today catching Covid and passing it on to to people overa certain age with co morbidity elements who even you concede were in danger from Covid.
One other thing, are you really saying that all of the people at number ten knew that Covid was no threat to them back in May 2020?
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You make no allowance for people at works events/parties/gatherings or whatever Johnson and his apologists are calling them today catching Covid and passing it on to to people overa certain age with co morbidity elements who even you concede were in danger from Covid.
One other thing, are you really saying that all of the people at number ten knew that Covid was no threat to them back in May 2020?
I just can’t imagine it being allowed if they were following the science and Government data. They would know more than what they were telling the public.
Would you have attended an event like this at the time ?
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Boris Johnson says he won't resign. I remember a lot of UK politicians. I cannot think of one I've despised more than him. For the sake of even-handedness, I'll add that Tony Blair was previously top of the list.
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I just can’t imagine it being allowed if they were following the science and Government data. They would know more than what they were telling the public.
Would you have attended an event like this at the time ?
No, absolutely no way. The truth is that there are some very selfish people about and, right from very early in the pandemic, it was known that the chances of people dying or becoming seriously ill with Covid declined dramatically the younger you were. In a working environment that I suspect contained plenty of large egos, they tended not to think of the consequences for others, only themselves.
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TWGL1
I don’t particularly care what you think, or others in-fact. I didn’t have a party or break the rules so I find it perplexing that the top table of government did without the same concern as the public and as you say what the “Data” is telling them. It’s obvious to me and most of my social circle why they did. You don’t have to agree though.
It's not perplexing in the slightest when you take into account which government you are discussing.
This government are corrupt through and through and don't give a hoot about anyone other than themselves. They happily stab each other in the back if they think that it can help elevate their own political future.
The fact that they were partying whilst knowing the dangers of Covid isn't proof that they "knew there was no risk" - it's categorical proof that they simply didn't care about the inevitability that they could be spreading it and killing people.
It's a prime example of "do as I say, not as I do". They think that they were above sticking to the rules, even though they knew the risks.
Politicians throughout history have been found to have been hypocrites. That's all that this is: hypocrisy.
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Tito Fuente
It's not perplexing in the slightest when you take into account which government you are discussing.
This government are corrupt through and through and don't give a hoot about anyone other than themselves. They happily stab each other in the back if they think that it can help elevate their own political future.
The fact that they were partying whilst knowing the dangers of Covid isn't proof that they "knew there was no risk" - it's categorical proof that they simply didn't care about the inevitability that they could be spreading it and killing people.
It's a prime example of "do as I say, not as I do". They think that they were above sticking to the rules, even though they knew the risks.
Politicians throughout history have been found to have been hypocrites. That's all that this is: hypocrisy.
If you think the government are corrupt (bold statement) then clearly you must accept people have the right to at least question the policy of lockdown two years later.
All the predictions were wildly inaccurate and were common knowledge at the time. I think it will take years to recover from this.
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TWGL1
If you think the government are corrupt (bold statement) then clearly you must accept people have the right to at least question the policy of lockdown two years later.
All the predictions were wildly inaccurate and were common knowledge at the time. I think it will take years to recover from this.
Declaring that this government is corrupt is a "bold statement"? :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
Thanks for that.