http://fantasysports.co.uk/2018/09/2...-close-sacked/
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http://fantasysports.co.uk/2018/09/2...-close-sacked/
Fantasy Sports sounds about right.
Indeed.
I see he’s favourite to be the next PL sacking at 4/1 on skybet as of last night.
Load of shite, or at least I hope!
Its the sort of rubbish WoL would print
What a load of crap!
Vinny elbowed Paul Trollope after just two wins from the first 11 league games of a new season, and it was rumoured he took a lot of persuading not to press the eject button after the 8th game following another home loss to Leeds. It's not hard to envisage him getting on the blower to Big Sam should no wins be forthcoming from the next six games.
Ridiculous
It depends on who's idea it was to only spend 26 million on Championship players. If it was NW's he should go. If it was Tan's he should shut the **** up and let NW get on with it.
If we lose to bournemouth and spurs and i th8nk he will be gone.
Perhaps you should have checked more than just your spelling when editing.. which you still got wrong :hehe:
Regarding the OP, ridiculous at this time to be even mentioning it, especially once the fixtures were announced knowing the task ahead.
I'm sure many of us know what has gone on with previous managers and can draw our own conclusions of what will happen should certain results go against us, but most would prefer keep scrum rather than fuel the sensationalist speculation.
If Tan had backed him, and by backed him I mean to the level of spending that Wolves and Fulham have done, then I could half believe this but not with what we started with and what we added to it.
It was no secret we needed a proven striker and a right back and arguably more but no manager would go in light if they didn't have to and have to work with what they are given. I think Warnock has done reasonably well given what he has brought in. I can't see anybody else doing too much better with this squad.
I honestly thought Tan would free more finances for Warnock. I know many have gone with the once bitten, twice shy argument but did we really spend that much last time out. Most of what we did spend we saw back too, obviously ignoring the whole Cornelius situation.
What a load of CRAP ....... I'd be surprised if Tan gets rid of Neil.
He's been absolutely amazing to the club - Not as if we were favorites to beat the drop in the first place :facepalm:
It sounds unlikely, as it looks like VT's strategy this time is to just try and avoid relegation and hopefully gradually build up a better team over time. This start will not be a surprise to him or anyone.
It's started - surely you've noticed our position is exactly where it needs to be for this to be the case? Just within touching distance of safety which we'll achieve on the final day by drawing whilst our rivals for relegation mess up their effort by losing to teams they should probably have beaten.
Very appropriate I think...
This is the reason I gave up the forum.
It's a clickbait site, I got spammed with Amazon ads, what did you lot get?
You wouldn't think so, although pre-season Vinnie told the Malaysian press: “We have got Newcastle, Arsenal and the champions, Manchester City at home and Bournemouth, Huddersfield and Chelsea away. We need to get off to a good start, but realistically speaking, I will be happy if we can get six to nine points from the maximum 18 that’s on offer.”
That seemed very optimistic when it was published. It seems even more so now.
Trying to work out what Tan is thinking is always a risky business, but I'd be surprised if even he is considering getting shot of Warnock at this early stage.
Not clicking , it’s bound to be bollocks.
If the club sack him it would there worse decision on record behind rebrand
To be fair, if we'd been able to take advantage of 10-man Hudds and Newcastle then that would have been right. I don't think we're far off where we need to be - it's just that the players themselves need to believe they are good enough before we'll see from them what they were capable of delivering in the Championship. It's a really delicate balancing act now. Beat Burnley on Saturday and I think they'll start to relax a bit. Lose and we're in trouble...
You can believe you’re good enough but that only goes so far. Having quality and quality options in most parts of the squad is what will keep you up. Maybe if you have manager and squad longevity and a football philosophy that suits the PL you can stay up. I feel like we have none of the above, or at least not enough of it. Our football philosophy suits the championship and maybe you can get away with and intense diresct style of play in the PL but you have to have the players to carry that out to perfection. I feel like the players we have at the moment are not quite technically good enough to outplay the opposition and aren’t quite big enough to outmuscle them either.... I’m thinking Murphy, Reid, Ward, Zohore, Hoylett. As far as Warnock goes, he might be a likeable character but I’m not sure he has the tactical acumen for elite football in the modern era.
I can’t see Alardyce rescuing City with the squad he’d have. And I can’t see Tan throwing money at the problem at xmas if he didn’t want to in the summer.
Keep Warnock. Bring in a higher profile striker in January and see if we can fight our way to 17th spot. Team spirit is our most valuable attribute at the moment. Take Warnock out and I think you can kiss goodbye to any hope of staying up.
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If Warnock was sacked who would take over? Allardyce was mentioned earlier but he would take one look at the squad and say "No thanks" as would others apart from the desperate. It is not Warnock's fault we are where we are. The lack of investment is the issue but having said that I am glad that we have not thrown money at the problem. Nobody in sound mind can blame Tan for not spending more than the 25% of his overall wealth he has already invested. The irony in all this is that had Warnock failed to get promotion last year but finished in the play offs he would be safe.
That's not the point I was trying to make. I think they very well might be. We spent 22M we spent on them, we should have spent another 22M on two experienced EPL players. NW has essentially "done a Malky" and bought two players for the future, when we should have been whatever we could to not get relegated.
Our only chance of staying up is with NW.If we go down so what I prefer the championship to this fake world of Premiership anyway.
I do know that if NW was removed it would seriously affect my decision on renewing my season ticket next season.
What I have noticed this season is that suddenly people who I have never been seen before are the first to sit in judgement and have a pop at the team and no doubt if we do go down will never be seen again.
Now is the time to stick with Neil and the boys and enjoy it for what it is.FAKE.Not Reality.
The wages were a big factor and paying players whose best years are behind them huge sums, (there wasn't an abundance and those that were available didn't want to come) were seen by many as a poor option, especially as there are no guarantees of survival.
Yes, Warnock has gambled on these players (not his first choices) in the hope they come off but I, and many others, saw this as his best/only option.
Were you disappointed when we got promoted?
Also, whilst I don’t think sacking NW is the answer, I don’t think he should be afforded special treatment because he’s a nice guy, or even because he got us promoted. I’m sure he wouldn’t want people’s pity and if he isn’t cutting the mustard, it’s totally acceptable for him to be sacked.
If he had been given 50 million and the team were playing as they are now I’d have no qualms about sacking the guy. It happened to Mackay, to Ole and to Slade. Why should Warnock be any different?
He’s probably going to retire at the end of the season anyway. I don’t know if it’d be worse for his last season to be manager of a team with the lowest points tally in the history of the PL or getting sacked in November.
I'd have been sick in my mouth a little bit if Warnock had thrown £100m at it like Fulham have done, after us fans wanking ourselves silly in May about how even a single conservative season in the Prem, with the parachute payments etc that come with it, would save us financially from the perilous position we've been in for the last decade.
Of course it was nice to get promoted as we actually won something great.But i was fully aware of the difficult season to come.
I do feel the Premier is not the real world.The money involved etc is off the wall.
As for special treatment for NW he fully earned it.
1.Taking a failing club and turning into a promotion side on a very small little budget.
2.Bring the supporters together at a time when we were badly divided .
3. Reaching out to the wider community.
4.Giving all of us a feel good factor.
I would say he has earned our loyal support and trust and not finger pointing as soon as trouble appears.
The way some supporters and fans turn is sickening.Sorry but thats how I feel.If we do go down NW is the perfect manager to get us back up.
If the time does come for Neil to move on, I hope he moves “upstairs”, he would be a great buy to have behind the scenes still. Not sure he would want that mind.
No reason to sack him though. We all knew the situation at the start of the season.
We need to be far more clinical with the chances we have. Morrison in particular missed two great chances to get the winners at Huddersfield and against Newcastle plus we probably deserved a draw against Arsenal.
We SHOULD be 5 points better off but we’re not. We need to make it count on Sunday.
I think it needs to be remembered that Vincent Tan converted nearly £70 million of club debt into equity once our promotion had been confirmed.
I agree with others who say that the level of spending seen in the summer was not enough, but that doesn't mean that I think we should have spent at Wolves and Fulham levels - Burnley and Huddersfield have spent in the region of £35 million in the past and survived and, with us getting bigger crowds than either of them and gaining considerably more points than Huddersfield did when going up, you would think that we could have done the same on a similar budget.
If Neil Warnock did have more money available to spend , but decided it wasn't needed, then, perhaps, he is closer to the sack than most of us believe. However, I strongly suspect that this was not the case and so he has been given much less room for manoeuvre financially than either Sean Dyche or David Wagner.
Vincent Tan has, in all likelihood, given our manager a really tough task therefore, but, as someone who has been very critical of our owner in the past, I cannot be this time because of that debt to equity conversion and also because I can understand any desire on his part not to see a repeat of what happened in 2013 in terms of our spending after promotion. What all of this means though is that relegation looks likely - if Vincent Tan is happy with that, then fair enough, but if he is expecting to stay up on the level of spending he has allowed, then he, has, most likely, overestimated the qualities of the playing squad and management/coaching staff.