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What a shower of nonsense they are
They should all be walking the plank
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Originally Posted by
MacAdder
Keel haul 'em!
Indeed
Very good band Keelhaul
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SLUDGE FACTORY
What a shower of nonsense they are
They should all be walking the plank
Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
Hypothetically speaking... How much worse could they have possibly been?
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
Are you sure about that ?
We will never know
But it's this bunch of arses in charge now and they deserve a right kicking
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Hypothetically speaking... How much worse could they have possibly been?
This type of whataboutery is common and I just don't see the purpose.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
This type of whataboutery is common and I just don't see the purpose.
I think the purpose is to desperately clutch at straws.
We know exactly how poor this Govt. have been but we have no idea how a Corbyn Govt. would have been.
Could they have been shite? Of course. Would they have definitely been shite? Absolutely not.
As you say, this sort of "whataboutery" is absolutely rife in political discussion now - it just deflects the argument rather than focussing on it.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
I think the purpose is to desperately clutch at straws.
We know exactly how poor this Govt. have been but we have no idea how a Corbyn Govt. would have been.
Could they have been shite? Of course. Would they have definitely been shite? Absolutely not.
As you say, this sort of "whataboutery" is absolutely rife in political discussion now - it just deflects the argument rather than focussing on it.
History is likely to judge Johnson and his cronies badly. In fact they are being judged badly already.
They own the UK response to the pandemic. Noone else.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Hypothetically speaking... How much worse could they have possibly been?
Thank God we will never find out !
Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?
I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.
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I think this government swept to power on the back of brexit
They were a bunch of chancers then and they are even worse now
It's like watching three year olds in nursery learning to fill in colouring books
They are crass, incompetent, directionless and are starting to try and cover each others backs
That's always the sign of a sinking ship
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Thank God we will never find out !
Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?
I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.
Well we know what side of the fence you sit , clearly a tory
You must be if you are saying only that boris and his crew have failed to cover themselves in glory
Jesus wept they are inept
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Thank God we will never find out !
Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?
I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.
When Michael Gove has had at least 3 different roles in Govt. I don't think bringing Diane Abbot's credentials into question is helping the argument against Labour.
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Moodybluebird
Thank God we will never find out !
Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?
I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.
Seriously, this is so lame. A few weeks ago, Priti Patel couldn't even read a number properly. Yesterday Michael Gove lied that he'd driven to test his eyesight for no other reason than because two days ago Dominic Cummings said he did (would you jump off a cliff if Dominic did?).
I am absolutely no fan of Corbyn and the others; in fact I think the country would be in a far better state than it is had they not been in charge of the Labour party even if they weren't in power. But looking at how far the UK has sunk since 2015, I just can't take anyone seriously who says "but it would have been worse under Labour, eh?"
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
It would be impossible to get any worse than this unscrupulous shower of shit
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
It would be impossible to get any worse than this unscrupulous shower of shit
That's not true either.
The point is that we don't know how much worse we could be off with others in charge - but we know exactly how much shit we're in right now with the Govt. that we have.
That's the important thing we need to focus on. We need to hold the people in charge accountable for the job that they're doing now and not make up false narratives that fit one's argument.
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
pointless post.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I think this government swept to power on the back of brexit
They were a bunch of chancers then and they are even worse now
It's like watching three year olds in nursery learning to fill in colouring books
They are crass, incompetent, directionless and are starting to try and cover each others backs
That's always the sign of a sinking ship
Did they sweep to power due to Corbyn being useless or did they sweep to power because the people who voted for brexit and won still wanted it?.
Most people who voted labour and lost will just keep on and on boring everyone because they lost the same as the nerdy turds who tried to change brexit after the majority voted for it. Bore off you boring gits i bet youe all the same ones who moan about swearing and standing at football..
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Thank God we will never find out !
Diane Abbott - How the hell did such a single cellular organism get into politics ?
I don't think that Boris and Co. have covered themselves in glory but having the 3 stooges at the helm would have been unthinkable.
It's about time the question about what do you think the UK Government has done well in this crisis got another airing. Last time I answered it a few weeks ago, I said getting the Nightingale hospitals up and running so quickly and the furlough scheme - I can't think of anything else to add to the small list at the moment.
Remember that app that was being trialled in the Isle of Wight? I read somewhere today that the locals are saying that its been lost - the track and trace app which was something else that was being hailed as a "game changer" at the beginning of the month has been lost - you have to laugh because you'd cry otherwise.
With South Wales quite possibly being the UK's current hotspot, Welsh Labour has got nothing to be complacent about either - I'm honestly beginning to think the people of the UK would do a better job of tackling Covid 19 if they ignored the politicians and just got on with it themselves.
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Had Labour got in we would have had Corbyn, MacDonald and Abbot. An even more useless bunch.
Yes, the Labour Party got in in New Zealand and their handling of the pandemic has been a total disaster, hasn’t it.
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Yesterday Michael Gove lied that he'd driven to test his eyesight for no other reason than because two days ago Dominic Cummings said he did (would you jump off a cliff if Dominic did?).
Gove himself laughing at the utter stupidity of this reply on LBC was certainly a new milestone. It takes highly creative thinking to imagine anybody else handling things worse than this bunch.
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Heisenberg
When Michael Gove has had at least 3 different roles in Govt. I don't think bringing Diane Abbot's credentials into question is helping the argument against Labour.
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
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Baloo
Gove himself laughing at the utter stupidity of this reply on LBC was certainly a new milestone. It takes highly creative thinking to imagine anybody else handling things worse than this bunch.
The mental gymnastics required to support this shower are astounding
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The wet politicians and clergymen have much to say
Defending desires of the sheep they are leading astray
1967 Roy Harper
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Originally Posted by
lardy
Seriously, this is so lame. A few weeks ago, Priti Patel couldn't even read a number properly. Yesterday Michael Gove lied that he'd driven to test his eyesight for no other reason than because two days ago Dominic Cummings said he did (would you jump off a cliff if Dominic did?).
I am absolutely no fan of Corbyn and the others; in fact I think the country would be in a far better state than it is had they not been in charge of the Labour party even if they weren't in power. But looking at how far the UK has sunk since 2015, I just can't take anyone seriously who says "but it would have been worse under Labour, eh?"
Have a you ever heard Diane Abbott interviewed ? I'm merely making the point that her intellect is so low I wouldn't trust her with a paper round let alone running the country.
I am certainly not an apologist for the Tories. I had been a Labour voter all my life until Jezza took over. Brought up that way, more a socialist than a capitalist but the lines have been blurred ever since Blair came to power. However, the dream ticket of Corbyn and McDonnell made me run for the hills and there was no way I would blindly vote for them.
As dour as Gordon Brown was, the man was intellectually gifted. And he had the foresight of not agreeing to adopting the euro as our currency. If for instance it had been a choice of him or Boris, you may have had a point about "would it have been worse under Labour?" But Corbyn et al ? Really ?!!
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the other bob wilson
It's about time the question about what do you think the UK Government has done well in this crisis got another airing. Last time I answered it a few weeks ago, I said getting the Nightingale hospitals up and running so quickly and the furlough scheme - I can't think of anything else to add to the small list at the moment.
Remember that app that was being trialled in the Isle of Wight? I read somewhere today that the locals are saying that its been lost - the track and trace app which was something else that was being hailed as a "game changer" at the beginning of the month has been lost - you have to laugh because you'd cry otherwise.
With South Wales quite possibly being the UK's current hotspot, Welsh Labour has got nothing to be complacent about either - I'm honestly beginning to think the people of the UK would do a better job of tackling Covid 19 if they ignored the politicians and just got on with it themselves.
Politicians ? Once in power they're all pretty much the same. Without wanting to open the current can of worms, Government is a tiny cache of inexperienced individuals surrounded by advisors, quangos, Govt. bodies, Civil Service, the Judiciary - all who run rings around them and stifle change, innovation, and decisive actions. Take the dog out for a long walk and forget about them all..
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City123
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
I was watching a clip of her at her first election recently. No wonder Jeremy was sha***ng her. A good looking woman.
Not sure were it went wrong for Diane. Despite being highly intelligent she came over rambling in interviews. No doubt the press did a hatchet job and people believe something if its reiterated often enough. A decent and principled woman for all that.
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City123
The mental gymnastics required to support this shower are astounding
I might try this approach in my next work appraisal and reply that the other person they interviewed would probably have done even worse.
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City123
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
Colour doesn't come into it so stop playing the race card it's because she's thick
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A Quiet Monkfish
Politicians ? Once in power they're all pretty much the same. Without wanting to open the current can of worms, Government is a tiny cache of inexperienced individuals surrounded by advisors, quangos, Govt. bodies, Civil Service, the Judiciary - all who run rings around them and stifle change, innovation, and decisive actions. Take the dog out for a long walk and forget about them all..
So you are blaming the civil servants and scientists for this catastrophe? Not the Tory government who make the final decisions?
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City123
The hounding of Diane Abbott, the country's first ever black female MP, is disgraceful.
Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Have a you ever heard Diane Abbott interviewed ? I'm merely making the point that her intellect is so low I wouldn't trust her with a paper round let alone running the country.
I am certainly not an apologist for the Tories. I had been a Labour voter all my life until Jezza took over. Brought up that way, more a socialist than a capitalist but the lines have been blurred ever since Blair came to power. However, the dream ticket of Corbyn and McDonnell made me run for the hills and there was no way I would blindly vote for them.
As dour as Gordon Brown was, the man was intellectually gifted. And he had the foresight of not agreeing to adopting the euro as our currency. If for instance it had been a choice of him or Boris, you may have had a point about "would it have been worse under Labour?" But Corbyn et al ? Really ?!!
Abbott read history at Cambridge
Funny how all these Tory apologists were "Labour all their lives"
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superflyblues
Yes, the Labour Party got in in New Zealand and their handling of the pandemic has been a total disaster, hasn’t it.
Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit. Also, the people who are most vociferous on this forum and the media in general, about criticising the current Government, are the ones who refuse to accept the result of the Brexit vote and the last election, consider anyone who voted for either to be idiots and won't shut up until the will of the British people is ignored and both are reversed. NB to them - the next election isn't until 2024 and by then we will be long shot of the EU and covid-19.
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City123
Abbott read history at Cambridge
Funny how all these Tory apologists were "Labour all their lives"
You're a funny man😂
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Moodybluebird
Oh really ? So just because she's the first black female MP, she has a free rein to make racist or anti-white comments in public does she ? "White people like to divide and rule" is one of hers and there are many others if you wish to check. There is no excuse for this type of behaviour regardless of colour so I most certainly do not respect her just because of her status.
I'm pointing out some relevant facts. She's the country's first female black MP and receives an almost unparalleled level of abuse
She's referring to the British Empire with "White people like to divide and rule", well she's not wrong is she?
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City123
I'm pointing out some relevant facts. She's the country's first female black MP and receives an almost unparalleled level of abuse
She's referring to the British Empire with "White people like to divide and rule", well she's not wrong is she?
Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
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dml1954
Comparing the Labour party in UK with the Labour party in New Zealand is like comparing Jack the Ripper with a fluffy bunny rabbit
Chalk and cheese clearly just wouldn’t do this difference justice.
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Former Labour leader
So you are blaming the civil servants and scientists for this catastrophe? Not the Tory government who make the final decisions?
The catastrophe was probably caused by lax Chinese bio-security. Labour would have been in the same position. Would they have made the same decisions ? Who knows. This Govt. carries the can - that's the responsibility that comes with being in power..
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Moodybluebird
Replace the word white with black, post it and see what happens to you matey !!
What do you think the UK Government have done well in the Covid 19 crisis?
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the other bob wilson
What do you think the UK Government have done well in the Covid 19 crisis?
Absolutely not ! I've already said that Boris and Co. have not covered themselves in glory and I stand by that.
But the post you've responded to is about whether Ms Abbott should be put on a pedestal just because she is the country's first black female MP. I suggest not, given the overtly racist, anti-white comments she has made in the past.