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How long before we have a100% armed police force?
Currently the police force is approx. 3%x armed.
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As soon as what happened in Paris happens here sadly.
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Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by ninian200 wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:21
As soon as what happened in Paris happens here sadly.
French police were already armed and that didn't stop it.
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:23
As soon as what happened in Paris happens here sadly.
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Originally Posted by ninian200 wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:21
French police were already armed and that didn't stop it.
Agreed I don't want to see it happen but that will be the response http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/shrug.gif
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:22
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
I agree with this but I think you misunderstood the question, I think it will be before 2017
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:30
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:22
I agree with this but I think you misunderstood the question, I think it will be before 2017
I'd say a lot longer that, maybe 2040 as the britsh public won't let it happen for a while yet IMO
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20 years or more, I won't be to concerned, I imagine being in the uk any use will be highly scrutinized and they will literally be there if you need them I suppose.
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It will be a while yet.
I can see the widespread issue of Tazers in preference to guns as I don't think that either the public or politicians want to go down this road, at the moment.
Be interesting, if there any coppers who post on here, what the feeling is about being given guns amongst the rank and file officers.
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It won't happen. A lot of police would never carry a taser never mind a firearm. Amnesty want less sto's (non firearm police) carrying tasers. To carry a sidearm you have to be pretty competent as expected. There is no way all cops could pass the national afo assessment to carry a sidearm.
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:16
Currently the police force is approx. 3%x armed.
It wont stop everything, it will be expensive and time consuming , the question is whats is the value of life , this is not going away and may end badly ????
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by this summer, I hope. I think cops look cool with guns and shades
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Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by ragbone wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:15
Currently the police force is approx. 3%x armed.
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:16
Think you need to see how successful it is in the USA ,it will stop nothing just lead to nutters buying weapons.
There are only 150 returning fighters expected, so just tail them 24/7 or apply for a court order to put those specific 150 under electronic surveillance.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:36
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
Ah! OK. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:22
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by Dewi wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:55
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:22
No, but they'll be a damned sight more effective in keeping us in our place should push come to shove.
Where else would that happen? it's like me employing somebody then being told they can do what they like but I'm never allowed to criticize or sack them, complete madness, people will still go along with it though. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:31
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by Dewi wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:55
No, but they'll be a damned sight more effective in keeping us in our place should push come to shove.
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:22
With recent events, I'm sure guns will be on the Agenda if Cameron survives the election. I was watching BBC in bed this morning O.K Mrs. R it's mainstream news http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif but I thought it was going this way listening to some interviews.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:29
Currently the police force is approx. 3%x armed.
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Originally Posted by ragbone wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:15
Think you need to see how successful it is in the USA ,it will stop nothing just lead to nutters buying weapons.
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:16
My view is we :
Because they are not the only threat 7/7 was way before the new threats
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:39
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:31
No, but they'll be a damned sight more effective in keeping us in our place should push come to shove.
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Originally Posted by Dewi wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:55
They will sell us the idea over time with fear stories and many mentions of "had he been armed this wouldn't have happened" and that kind of stuff, that's how they work.
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:02
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:39
No, but they'll be a damned sight more effective in keeping us in our place should push come to shove.
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:31
Problem, reaction, solution? Clever stuff ..
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:15
Cops with guns won't stop crime anymore than cops without guns ....
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:02
No, but they'll be a damned sight more effective in keeping us in our place should push come to shove.
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Originally Posted by heath/ccfc wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:39
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 12:31
Indeed, it will be illegal to criticize the government soon too, people who question the governments version of events are as dangerous as isis
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Originally Posted by Dewi wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:55
Where else would that happen? it's like me employing somebody then being told they can do what they like but I'm never allowed to criticize or sack them, complete madness, people will still go along with it though.
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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 10:22
It was quite surreal when I was in Texas (Walmart) that guns were for sale just like a packet of corn flakes
Works a treat every time sadly.
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I can't see the police routinely carrying firearms. They are civilians in uniform and they have to remain that way. They stop being police and end up state militia/paramilitary when armed. We in the uk don't need that
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:51
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:36
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
Put what you sent me in the PM in this thread-I see nothing wrong with it if it's your view/opinion or agree with it.I don't think we will have police carrying guns nor do I worry about my civil liberty.Fortunately we all have differing opinions and are and will remain free http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif to express them for a long time to come!!
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My brother in law was on armed response.
he said if Wiltshire had a major indecent, it could take upto 45 mins to get to the incident depending on where it was in the area and where the response team was
a scary thought really in todays climate
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:27
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:51
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:36
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
I don't know about you but I think if we get to a point where we can't criticize the people we put in power we are in big trouble.
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it takes more cowardice to shoot at a cop without a gun than with.
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The sooner the better. Tool them up with AK47's.
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I think there needs to be a wider debate on the subject. Clegg and Miliband seem to be taking a more pragmatic view, whereas Cameron seems to be of the mind that you are either with us or against us (shades of George Bush.)
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 14:14
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:27
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:51
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:36
Ah! OK.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
Put what you sent me in the PM in this thread-I see nothing wrong with it if it's your view/opinion or agree with it.I don't think we will have police carrying guns nor do I worry about my civil liberty.Fortunately we all have differing opinions and are and will remain free
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
That's not strictly true, should I not have the right to criticize or express my lack of trust of the government? Did you see Camerons speech at the UN not long ago? he told the U.N. that "non-violent extremism" is just as dangerous as terrorism and must be eradicated using all means at the government's disposal, He references 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS, he is officially announcing a the plan to use a full assault on dissenting views.
You have said nothing that changes my opinion.Not sure either what you were saying is not strictly true???
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 14:45
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 14:14
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:27
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:51
Ah! OK.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:36
Put what you sent me in the PM in this thread-I see nothing wrong with it if it's your view/opinion or agree with it.I don't think we will have police carrying guns nor do I worry about my civil liberty.Fortunately we all have differing opinions and are and will remain free
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif to express them for a long time to come!!
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
That's not strictly true, should I not have the right to criticize or express my lack of trust of the government? Did you see Camerons speech at the UN not long ago? he told the U.N. that "non-violent extremism" is just as dangerous as terrorism and must be eradicated using all means at the government's disposal, He references 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS, he is officially announcing a the plan to use a full assault on dissenting views.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
I don't know about you but I think if we get to a point where we can't criticize the people we put in power we are in big trouble.
That we will remain free to express them for a long time to come.
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 14:55
Depends if Cameron gets kicked out or not, he's all for a police state by the looks of it. I think a Lib/Lab coalition would be our best bet if we want our country to stay a place that we can still recognize.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 14:45
I must have missed that-where did he say he is all for a police state?Have you got a link I would like to read what he had to say?
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 14:14
He wants to remove encryption and introduce surveillance on everybody. To my knowledge only China, North Korea, Iran and Russia do that (maybe a few others too.)
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 13:27
Ah! OK.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:51
Put what you sent me in the PM in this thread-I see nothing wrong with it if it's your view/opinion or agree with it.I don't think we will have police carrying guns nor do I worry about my civil liberty.Fortunately we all have differing opinions and are and will remain free
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif to express them for a long time to come!!
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:36
That's not strictly true, should I not have the right to criticize or express my lack of trust of the government? Did you see Camerons speech at the UN not long ago? he told the U.N. that "non-violent extremism" is just as dangerous as terrorism and must be eradicated using all means at the government's disposal, He references 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS, he is officially announcing a the plan to use a full assault on dissenting views.
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Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:32
I don't know about you but I think if we get to a point where we can't criticize the people we put in power we are in big trouble.
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Originally Posted by Gluteus Maximus wrote on Sat, 17 January 2015 11:24
You have said nothing that changes my opinion.Not sure either what you were saying is not strictly true???
I think differently.
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Re: How long before we have a100% armed police force?
There were 31,000 annual excess winter deaths the last time I checked. When are we going to have a war against people dying of cold due to a lack of heating?
