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Being fair to the City hierarchy, there was little evidence of the talent that his former manager believes Ole has shown at Cardiff, but it is revealing to see how Vincent Tan is viewed within the game and, whether this view is fair or not (I know what I think!), it's bound to have an impact on the quality of candidate willing to take on the managerial job here.
I think Fergie can get stuffed. VT may be an idiot but he's our idiot and he seems to be learning his lessons. OGS was complete and utter rubbish and we're still trying to recover from the mess he made.
Ole was a nice chap, but he was well backed by the board and took us hurtling backwards.
I think he did gave an eye for a player, as some of his signings have gone on to do OK at other clubs mostly, but the most damning aspect of oles time here is I couldn't even begin to tell you what style of football he was trying to get us to play. Perhaps he had some grand plans, but they certainly weren't being implemented by the players.
I'm not sure how you can blame that particular failing on Tan.
Wasn't it Dalman who persuaded Tan to take him on?
Dalman seems to be escaping the blame here.
I'm going to save TLG the hassle and just leave this here on his behalf:
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Originally Posted by Penarth Blues wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 11:23
In the same way as the Pig that got the creamQuote:
Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 13:17
Nothing's going to change the past and both Tan and Slade seem to be doing the right things at present. We've never had brilliant managers or chairmen here and they're just the latest in a long line of less than perfect people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chairman_Meow wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 13:50
In fact when he had the talented players at his disposal they flattered him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 11:23
I've said before that it doesn't matter whether Vincent Tan does actually interfere in selection or not, damage is being done because there is a perception out there that he does and so it seems very likely to me that people who would otherwise be interested in managing Cardiff are put off applying for the job when it becomes available.Quote:
Originally Posted by saganspirit wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 13:13
Stam and Keane, maybe. I don't think you can argue that Hughes was never replaced. Losing Rooney may not have been a bad thing, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragbone wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 14:37
A thought or two:
Last season Slade was forever tinkering with the team selection. This season, we have a largely settled team. And results have been better.
Evidence of less interference from above - or more input from his management team?
Good question - I've not got a clue what the answer to it is mind. However, from what I've been told by people I trust, I think it would be wrong to believe that Vincent Tan has just given Messrs Choo, Dalman and Slade a budget for this season and let them get on with it - he's still more "hands on" when it comes to finances than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coch wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 14:48
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Originally Posted by Penarth Blues wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 11:23
Generally accepted by our fans but if you're talking about the perception of the football world - most would assume that he was a Tan appointment. This is the incorrect perception.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 14:42
I hope Purple Haze has read this article.....
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Didn't show any attacking flair that Ole promised and the defence was diabolical.
Nothing went right during his time here.
Before anyone says anything , I hate fergie and utd.
For a 'crap' owner, VT gave Ole an awful lot of financial help and support - most of which was wasted again which is no doubt one of the reasons why Vincent is more careful now with the money. As far as him putting off future 'quality' management candidates is concerned, I don't find that any big deal either. I'd rather a future manager came here with a mindset of embracing challenges rather than running away from them.
Old was only interested in giving jobs to his players at Mode, who were generally crap, and getting Norwegian ads put around the ground!
Ole was arguably worse than Alan Durban given he was the cream to Durbans evaporated milk.
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 17:04
Personally I don't care. I think the vast majority of managers are over-rated anyway and we're unlikely to ever attract a superstar. I also very much doubt that there many managers who would not come to a reasonable size football club no matter who the owner was.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 14:42
I'm not denying Vincent Tan has had an unfair press in some respects, with a few of the things the mainstream media said about him during our time in the Premier League bordering on racism. However, it also has to be said that you could base a text book on how not to succeed in the Premier League on our season at that level - the perception is out there that Vincent Tan exemplifies the worst type of modern football club owner and I think it's inevitable that this will have an effect on the quality of recruit we can attract at manager and, perhaps, player level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penarth Blues wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 19:34
Maybe Tan did interfere then, but it appears now that Slade is being allowed to do things his own way and Tan has 'learned his lesson'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coch wrote on Tue, 22 September 2015 14:48
I think that's definitely been the case with Warnock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lawnmower
I wonder how much Tan thought of us as a plaything but has realised he's best off keeping his nose out?
So, Vincent Tan has a reputation within the game for interfering in team affairs. The game's most successful manager with years of managerial experience, was concerned for an ex-player working under Tan, and offered advice on how to circumnavigate Tan's obvious interference.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Unfortunately for Tan, mud sticks in the game. If Cardiff were promoted, would Tan start taking on more of an interest, or has he finally learnt he knows did all about the game so should leave it to the qualified people he pays a fortune to?
Tan was a significant reason for the relegation from the PL. He's a significant reason for the drop in attendances. And he's a significant reason why the club will struggle to progress. He took the credit for promotion, he takes very little responsibility for the aftermath. He couldn't even reverse his rebrand without being pathetic "my mum told me to do it".
As for OGS, I thought he was a good appointment at the time, but he was clearly out of his depth. What's more, he was far too nice a person to succeed. I doubt he'd have fared much better at a more normal club.
If the club's profile was raised by a promotion, do you think Tan would appear at more games? And, if the club were struggling, do you think Tan would remain silent?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
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Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
Fergie has to keep his profile up in case of any new book .
Perhaps if he had been allowed to come on as a second half substitute manager it may have worked ,
Most of his ex players have been a disaster with many other owners involved.
Tan is a fine loyal owner and still backs us to this day ,and
If Warnock can work with him he must be fine .
Fergie, he simply wasnt up to a tough appointment in the second best league in the world , he's better off in the serene Scandinavia leagues.
Finally if Ole has anything about him where is he know in terms of managing in this country .
Ola, Ole
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Originally Posted by life on mars
BIS I thinknyou need to seek out a good shrink and talk through your Tanny issues.
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Originally Posted by J R Hartley
and your point ?? are we saying one cannot contribute to a historic event ,there was folk on yer banging about Churchill and the evil British empire the other day ,some of us are not as as clever as others and it takes a time for a thought to form itself into words .Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I know. It took ages to find it before I gave it a bump.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
And it's worth the effort I've enjoyed every minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee