Bad news for the many thousands of people including me this will effect if a buyer can't be found (unlikely imo)
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Bad news for the many thousands of people including me this will effect if a buyer can't be found (unlikely imo)
Worse than most thought then
Tara Tata
Perhaps Micky Miller , Archie , sludge and muff can renationalise . Seriously this is shit news , haven't seen the gist but fear the worst .
Can't imagine what this will do to Port Talbot :oh: Absolutely terrible news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocco Siffredi
Apparently there is some talk of the UK Government stepping in, but I won't hold my breath:
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-03-29/c...-nationalised/
We have simply GOT to safeguard manufacturing in this country or the banks will be the least of our concerns
Its a dead industry, future cars will be made of carbon fibre
Doubt we will have any heavy industry left in the Uk soon. Now if it was a bank that was in trouble that would be another story:shrug:
The government didn't bother sending anyone out thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Arfur Europe
They will just use this to "bury" other bad news
We have hardly anything left of our manufacturing industry, we have lots of coffee shops and coffee drive-ins though
The government voted not to introduce tax levys on Chinese steel only a matter of weeks ago I think that shows how serious they are about saving the UK industry
Awful news for Port Yalbot
I really think that car ownership will be only available to the elite in the not too distant future, carbon emissions being the catalystQuote:
Originally Posted by herberthuw
to this, cars will become driver less, owned by Google and Co, people will basically be ordering driver less Cars to take them from A to B, all done from your smartphone and on a subscription service, there will be 1,000's of them going about.
It's more than awful news for port talbot but the whole surrounding areas, it will be a knock on affect to other businesses including mine, Iv done a few jobs for people who work down the steel lately, if people local have no money they wudnt employ me, and that goes for all the other self employed, and people who own shops pubs etc
Agenda 2030, push public transit, remove free travel, toll roads EVERYWHERE.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Time for us workng people to stand up and be counted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I often feel that it's far too late for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeremy corbyn
It's never too late. If you fight you might lose. But if you don't fight you will always lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
Best of luck to the steelworkers relying on our government for help.
That's not going to happen is it.
The only thing going in there favour is they got Roy Rickhuss fighting in their corner. The man is an absolute legend in my eyes. If he can't save them no one will.
Who is going to buy a plant that loses £1m a day? While the Chinese are allowed to dump steel at low prices there will be no way back for this plant or indeed steel manufacturing in this country. Nationalisation of Port Talbot might be the short term answer but I doubt whether that will happen. In addition to workers at the Plant there are a number of small firms and sole traders that rely on the Plant for their livliehhoods. I feel so sorry for the workers and their families but I guess even they can see the writing is on the wall.
England lost 2-1 last night deliberately to bury this news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Llanedeyrnblue
Do you think it may affect the way China treat the goods we export to them?Quote:
Originally Posted by gandalf1927
China and India are holding all the best cards at the moment.
EU need to sort out the tariffs on chinese steel straight away for any steel industry to survive. Can't see anything surviving without tariffs on chinese imported steel.
Hopefully a buyer will be found. Or a part nationalisation until British Steel shares can be sold. Scotland have set a precedent with saving plants, hopefully the UK/Welsh government will step into make sure a buyer can be found, even if not immediately.
They know they are dumping their steel below cost to keep jobs. It not like there is a fair playing field in the market.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
If we tried to set tariffs on markets that are playing fair then they might have something to say about it, but as they are not playing fair at the moment I wouldn't imagine they would kick up too much fuss. Not heard much action from the Chinese about the 200% tariffs that US have imposed.
industry has been dead in the UK for a long time, this is just the final nail in the coffin, from a country who was proud and made great things we now do nothing
Presumably, the nail will be imported.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
The Welsh government's response has hardly been inspiring so far.. Sit on our hands and hope....Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dragon
It's a huge blow for several, already, down on their heels communities.
The obvious solution is to nationalise and support the industry in the hope that the costs can be offset by the secondary benefits within these areas.
However, it's hard to see the current government supporting such an idea especially as those affected are probably not natural Conservative voters.
China i guessQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
What free travel? A train journey costs money, a bus journey costs money, a car journey costs money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I can see a driverless taxi service becoming common in most cities by 2035. I can't see it being the main mode of transport before 2050.
Benefits - no need to buy a car (saving thousands). No need to maintain a car (saving hundreds a year). Fewer cars on the road, meaning fewer accidents, and less road maintenance.
Negatives - less freedom to drive where you want and when you want. Prices can be driven artificially high by profiteers (but oil companies do this anyhow). Cars may be unavailable during poor weather.
Yeah I agree in one way but we have got to the point where we can help their agenda now, they didn't buy those water cannons for nothing, they know what's coming, they have been pushing people for ages, it wont take much to push us in to a police state if things kick off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Auntie Andy
The industrial revolution started 150 years ago and it's end was always likely to happen. 150 years ago, a 45 year old would be deemed to be an elderly person, and he would be working 16 hour days - living in a house where he would pay rent to the landowner who happened to be his boss. He could shop in the local shop, also owned by his boss, and no-where else.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Places of mass employment, like the old steelworks in Ebbw Vale, are disappearing forever. It will happen to Port Talbot too, maybe not in the next few years, but it will happen. We know it will happen because we all try to move heaven and earth to ensure that our kids aren't relying on steelworks for employment in the future.
It's not a sign that the country is getting worse - it's a sign that the world is changing its demands.
What? In this country? The streets would soon empty of protesters if they put a TOWIE special on MTV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I was with you till your last lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
we still need steel though, the demands are still with us
The country leads the way in computer game creation. These games sell millions. The difference is, these games can be produced by a small team of 30-40 people, and mass produced in a small factory unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
There is a surplus of steel in the market, supply is outstripping demand. It's the same for all commodities at present.
http://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/
Not free travel as in costing money, more like restricted travel, they want to make cities and human settlements inclusive and "safe" outside of those there will be high carbon taxes/footprint taxes for anyone wanting to travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
We will all be having smart meters soon too, yay :hehe:
I also think that the days of people driving themselves around are numbered. To an extent that I don't think my kids will ever actually learn to drive a car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I don't see this as a negative thing though.
There will be fewer accidents, less pollution, and a whole raft of other fringe benefits.
The elderly or disabled will still be able to get around with less assistance.
I agree that people perhaps won't own cars, pools of cars will be parked in huge lots throughout the city, you'll silummon one when you need one and use it for your journey and then it'll park itself away again until it's needed again by the next person.
Our streets will be free from parked cars, people won't be responsible for keeping the vehicles in a roadworthy condition.
They'll probably be pay as you go eventually, which seems fair to me.
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by gandalf1927
There will be big changes because of the the UN sustainable development goals, lets hope it's all as rosy as it sounds. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve R
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Originally Posted by blue matt
china nails are crap IMO
just out of interest, how old are your children now ? ? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
as your idea's for the future of cars imho is not going to happen soon
people love driving, look at the classic car lot, look at the people who use vehicles for activities they do, mountian biking, surfing etc etc ( the lifestyle choice vehicle, thinking of the VW T4 and 5 here )
it might work in the cities, but its not going to work for the " not the norm type of person "
It really is truly awful for those impacted and they gave my utmost sympathy.
However, we have to look forward and not backwards, we have had a steel industry for the past 150 years. That can't and won't ever last, impossible. We are seeing new technologies taking us forward, carbon fibre for cars rather than steel. Things will, have to and must move on, sadly.
And sadly their will be casualties with such progress.
I fully appreciate many will disagree and fully appreciate that personal abuse will follow or my views, but there we are.
Ever onwards.