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If Boris has cleverly uncovered the real truth about EU regulation / directive that prohibits one from recycling teabags, I for one would find this the final tipping point on my voting decision to leave , if however its about Boris being elected as PM, I feel he would finally deal with this matter once and for all , and perhaps save me , as i have started a crusade to put wet teabags into my cardboard recycling bag.
Boris Johnson forced to admit EU regulations don't ban Brits recycling tea bags
The Eurosceptic London Mayor also admitted there wasn't an outright ban on children under eight blowing up balloons
I've heard that if we leave the EU, all hard working families will be forced to eat one of their children.
People without kids will be made to hollow out an elderly relative and use them as kayaks to travel across flooded farmland.
Can you choose which child or relative,are there associated gender rulings under article 999 of the treaty.?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
Let's be honest. What with climate change, Fukashima, the dire world economy, population explosion and pollution of our environment whether we leave or stay in the failed European experiment is a minor one.
I'm going to vote to leave as it is one step along the road back from being governed by the state.
In
Stephen hawking
The governor of the bank of England
The IMF
Barrack Obama
The prime minister
The Chancellor of the exchequer
The leader of the labour party
Richard branson
Vs
Out
Michael gove
Nigel farage
Ian Duncan smith
John redwood
Jacob Rees mogg
John whittingdale
George Galloway
Boris Johnson
Zac Goldsmith
Personally I could see arguments either way, I would probably lean towards remain for reasons of security within Europe amongst other things.
Not thing that makes brexit considerably less appealing, though is the prospect of agreeing with that squadron of imbeciles.
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Originally Posted by Rjk
Which one of the "in" crowd appealed?
Relatively speaking, all of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
And the IMF released some good songs too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I am out then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
As someone who supports the out campaign, don't you wish that there were some prominent brexit campaigners who weren't quite so odd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
I mean, Michael Fabricant.
You can add beefy to the out campaign, if its good enough for Boff, it's good enough for me, OUT it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Seems bizarre that leave has managed to pin down stay as being a campaign of fear. Fear was really the only reason anyone wanted a referendum in the first place.
The out list has a familiar loons look about it ,I'm staying in and my tea bags wet or dryQuote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Whilst saying the remain camp were 'treating voters like children who can be frightened into obedience', Gove said 'We're voting to be hostages locked in the back of the car and driven headlong towards deeper EU integration'.
Can politicians speak without being hypocrites?
Grove also said that if we voted out we would rejoin the single European trading block. If he is being truthful, the only way we can do this if via the Norway Switzerland method, where you agree to the conditions to free movement of trade and people and you pay into the union. Basically exactly the same as what we have now, although he seems to think we wouldn't come under the EU courts of human rights. Not sure how he's going to square that circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Just traveled home and Mr Gove has frightened me , he used slogans like " enable the UK to take back control" " sovereignty "",
"" economy "" " borders" "" spending priorities", " immigrants " I could go on it was so worrying i turned him off , strangely quiet on the Brentford game tonight though,unless he mentioned that at eh end of his speech, I was too frightened to listen to all of it .
Anything michael give want to do normally makes me think it's a bad idea
For me, it's not really what this or that politician says, it's more about, we went in in 1975, I was only 14 so memory is a little sketchy, I do remember however, we had, a coal industry (we still import coal), we had a steel industry (we are importing steel by the shed load), we had a ship building industry, we had a car industry, we had a manufacturing base almost the envy of the world, we had council homes for those who needed them, Joe Bloggs could afford to get on the property ladder on 2.5 x his earnings backed up with 1 x the partners, socialist politicians were generally socialists, we were in control of our utilities, the next nuclear power station is being built by the French, possibly funded by the Chinese, youth were not on the scrap heap at 17, opportunities for apprentices and not encouraged to go to uni for a degree as a check out operative in TESCO, we traded with the rest of the world and Europe, and Llanrumney had the best firm in Cardiff by a distance, lots of bad things as well, but greed on unprecedented levels since joining the EU gravy, train Neil & Glenys the prime examples, we have had erosion of British workers rights whilst those in Europe get stronger, you cannot tell me that the French will not want to dump their shite wine in the UK if we exit or the farmers of the EU would stop exporting, politicians are trying to frighten the British public and forgetting we existed with it for a few years before!!!, I'm sure things would be tough for a few years on exit but worth it for a future of the next generations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pug
you want to blame all of that on the EU? bit mental. how about the failing of successive governments a bit closer to homeQuote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
I didn't blame anyone Tommy, I only put a few lines together on my memories before the UK joined the EU, What are yours ? put your hatred of England, Labour, Conservative to one side for your answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy31
and greedy unionsQuote:
Originally Posted by tommy31
Nothing in your post is the fault of the EU, it's a failure of consecutive British governments both labour and Tory. If you think they're going to anything different when out of the EU you're looney.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
I don't know enough to vote either way but what scares me about this referendum is people like you who know less than nothing having such concrete opinions either way.
This has more to do with globalisation and our own trickle up economics than the EU. In or out of the EU we'd still need to compete against other economies working for a lot less. And surely if workers' rights are stronger in Europe than here we should stay in? Given the recent desire to reduce benefits from the disabled, I'd trust the EU to look out for everyone more than Westminster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
The European Union is futile, corrupt and saturated with fraud, £12 billion a year down an assorted array of “criminal drains.” :facepalm:vote out out out.
If Ian Botham wants out I am staying in
He's a first class ignorant blighty Thatcherite bigot
We as in Wales are fecked without European investment , the valleys will be slaughtered and does anyone seriously think a London centric Tory government will give a shit ?
Pass me some of what some of you guys are smoking , I ain't had a good toke in years
Yes I do think for myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
1. Great Britain had a Coal Mining industry before the EU (we are still importing coal)
2. Great Britain had a Steel Industry before the EU (we will continue to import steel)
3. Great Britain had a British car industry before the EU
4. Great Britain had a Ship Building industry before the EU
5. Thick Welders like myself could afford to get on the housing ladder before the EU
6. Water, Gas, Rail, Electric were owned by British companies
7. British Nuclear power was owned and controlled by British companies
8. The bankers did not get bailed out before the EU
9. The Gold reserves were not sold off to Pound land before the EU
10. The privatisation of anything that wasn't nailed down didn't start until after joining the EU
11. The distribution of wealth, always obscenely biased, has gone of the scale
12. Youth unemployment is now, and has been for some time following the euro model, where is their future after 40 years of Brussels ?
13. Trade with Europe was plentiful
14. Trade with other parts of the world not subjected to a Brussels rule
During this period of British erosion we are judged to be the best performing economy within the EU, does it not make you wonder how bad it is for many in the other countries of the EU Superstate?
During this period I have been through Labour and Tory governments who both have sat back and allowed
Brussels to suck cash, veto laws, introduce their laws and whilst you casually side line it all against
Tory and labour Governments, there is a common denominator and that is Brussels.
I remember the winter of discontent and much of the bad shite, it wasn't a bed of roses, but they were days that
you knocked your neighbours door and if they had 1/2 a bag of sugar and you had none, you were given some.
The EU aided by Tory and Labour governments have changed peoples mindsets into a more more more society,
2nd holiday, 2nd car, Joe Bloggs owning 5 houses to rent, debt is good, have to be a shareholder, etc. etc.
Thatcher removed the idea of society more than the EU ever could
Surely you are bright enough to know that and we both know you are
Leave Europe and Wales is fecked alongside every other region outside the Tory south east
All of that is the fault of British governments.
Why didn't we put sanctions on the import of cheap Chinese steel like the rest of the EU instead of under cutting out own steel industry?
You've just picked an arbitrary line in history and then blamed everything the uk government has done wrong on the eu, including the fact you used to be able to borrow sugar off your neighbour.
It's more of how materialistic you have become.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Who has become? How materialistic people have become is a global problem. Exiting the eu won't take us back to simpler times when you could leave your front door unlocked and borrow sugar off your neighbour.
Are you basing your vote purely on nostalgia.
I'm sure there are many compelling reasons to vote for the exit. I also don't think you've listed one.
There's no hatred of England here, although I'll give you labour & tory. What do I think? I'm amazed it's been allowed to go to a referendum personally. Nobody knows the inner working of the EU and what the consequences of voting out will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
The fact that Wales receives far more money than we give would mean an out vote could cost us billions. The government could say they'd match what the EU was spending, but they've said that won't happen. I don't buy the 'get our sovereignty back' or the 'EU makes over 50% of our laws' arguments. We in Wales especially have grown accustomed to (until recently) 100% of our laws being made abroad. An out vote isn't going to change that.
so to sum it up, I don't know. Probably leaning towards an IN vote thought.
I think the scariest thing about the referendum is the top political "minds" in the country can't even decide what's best for the UK. Even current and past chancellors seem to be saying opposite things.
If these supposed experts can't agree on what's best for us how can the general public be expect to know what's best?
The whole campaign will be based around xenophobia, propaganda and fear mongering from both sides.
I'm leaning towards staying in but I couldn't put up a coherent argument as to why I think anyone else would beyond the lack of financial help Wales will lose and the fact the human rights act will be abolosihed.
Don't be so hard on yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
For me the question boils down to Do you want a United States of Europe. IF yes stay in, if not vote out. A single european state is going to happen the way things are heading. A vote to stay in, certainly a majority, gives those that want this a mandate to try and push it through.
Ingerland won the world cup in 66 but not since. Coincidence? Nah, out out out
The way things are heading? Surely it's heading more towards falling apart than a United States?Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dragon
The pro-EU propaganda is almost criminal. However, which way to vote? I believe an OUT vote will be better for The UK as a whole .. but an IN vote may be better for Wales.
If we do vote OUT .. at least we will be able to deport foreign criminals and radical hate preachers who are wasting tax payers' money.
Oh ... and we can tell The EU's "human rights" bill (which seem to protect criminals more than victims) to f right off !
I would also add that a vote out is a vote to break up the uk. Whatever happens, Should be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry Dragon
That depends who you believe. Lots of opinions contradicting one another about at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
The troubles europe are having can be fixed quite easily by a 1 state model. That is why it's heading that way, Europe as is is not a great model, in order for europe to work, it needs to become a federal state. It wont work properly unless a federal state is introduced. So if we vote in, we are voting for 1 state, might be 5 years or 20 years, but that's the way it will go.