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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Ya,but, it don't mention the "ILK". :hehe::hehe::hehe:
Some big words in there though :hehe:
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
One of the very last conviction politicians. I canvassed for him in Bristol in 1983. That video is a hard watch - he's obviously not going to be with us for much longer. RIP Tony.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Robin Friday's Ghost
he's obviously not going to be with us for much longer. RIP Tony.
He died two years ago? Unless you meant the video was obvious he wasn't going to be around for much longer.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
He died two years ago? Unless you meant the video was obvious he wasn't going to be around for much longer.
You are replying to a ghost in fairness
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
You are replying to a ghost in fairness
Spooky.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
He died two years ago? Unless you meant the video was obvious he wasn't going to be around for much longer.
This. When the video was filmed, he's was obviously nearing the end of his life.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
Tony Benn was a bullshitter. He was from a very rich family and made a big fuss about giving up his Lord Stansgate title in the early 60's.
He was a trouble maker in the Labour party for years whilst living in a great big house in Hampstead.
Corbyn ( also from a posh background ) seems to have modelled himself on Benn.
Funny how some little rich boys have to pretend they are men of the people and some little poor boys like Goslow
like to pretend they are posh Tories like Alf Garnett.
Before anyone starts I'm a Labour voter btw.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If you are or were a Labour voter (or even if you werent) - then Tony Benn was seen as an honest hard working MP - one of the few. One of the few who told it exactly how it was and was a man of principal. Just watched this from the Oxford Union Debate a few years ago.
Not 100% sure what he was getting at. Civil servants in the UK are not elected either.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Colonel Cærdiffi
Not 100% sure what he was getting at. Civil servants in the UK are not elected either.
Democracy in the UK feels like an overblown concept at the moment. As you say, we don't elect the many incredibly powerful people in Whitehall. We don't directly elect the Prime Minister, the party in government do. Then when we finally realise they are in the pocket of a load of rich people who allowed them to be there in the first place, as Benn says, we can remove them and elect a new bunch of puppets.
This all leads to a system which rewards and therefore unknowingly insists upon short-sighted policies.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Democracy in the UK feels like an overblown concept at the moment. As you say, we don't elect the many incredibly powerful people in Whitehall. We don't directly elect the Prime Minister, the party in government do. Then when we finally realise they are in the pocket of a load of rich people who allowed them to be there in the first place, as Benn says, we can remove them and elect a new bunch of puppets.
This all leads to a system which rewards and therefore unknowingly insists upon short-sighted policies.
I see what you're saying, we need a dictator. Do you have a website or perhaps a book detailing your struggle?
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Love democracy? Then vote how Mrs R tells you ;)
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
ninianclark
If you are or were a Labour voter (or even if you werent) - then Tony Benn was seen as an honest hard working MP - one of the few. One of the few who told it exactly how it was and was a man of principal. Just watched this from the Oxford Union Debate a few years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0wFii8klNg
This is quite sad to see Tony Benn like this
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
Love democracy? Then vote how Mrs R tells you ;)
I'm not telling anyone to do anything, that is the title on the article. :thumbup:
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
This is quite sad to see Tony Benn like this
You should see him now.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
I'm not telling anyone to do anything, that is the title on the article. :thumbup:
I've long since stopped clicking your links.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
I've long since stopped clicking your links.
Why comment then?
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Why comment then?
Your comment suggested that, if you like democracy, then you should vote one way. I was just pointing out the irony (i.e. Democracy means voting the way you choose, not as others would choose)
I thought the comments were your own, perhaps some quotation marks will make it clearer next time?
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Badly Ironed Shirt
Your comment suggested that, if you like democracy, then you should vote one way. I was just pointing out the irony (i.e. Democracy means voting the way you choose, not as others would choose)
I thought the comments were your own, perhaps some quotation marks will make it clearer next time?
Yep, no problem, I will slap my wrist and make sure I add them next time ok? :biggrin:
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Yep, no problem, I will slap my wrist and make sure I add them next time ok? :biggrin:
Hehe.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
BlueWales
Funny how some little rich boys have to pretend they are men of the people and some little poor boys like Goslow
like to pretend they are posh Tories like Alf Garnett.
Before anyone starts I'm a Labour voter btw.
:hehe:
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
"The left wing case for leaving the EU"
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...ase-leaving-eu
For those interested (not the shirt man obviously) :-)
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
He's doing the ironing :biggrin:
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Nelsonca61
He's doing the ironing :biggrin:
:hehe:
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Democracy in the UK feels like an overblown concept at the moment. As you say, we don't elect the many incredibly powerful people in Whitehall. We don't directly elect the Prime Minister, the party in government do. Then when we finally realise they are in the pocket of a load of rich people who allowed them to be there in the first place, as Benn says, we can remove them and elect a new bunch of puppets.
This all leads to a system which rewards and therefore unknowingly insists upon short-sighted policies.
Too right. My vote counts for nothing in a General Election.. Millions of us have wasted votes. Democracy only really counts in the marginal seats when a vote matters.
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
Mrs Steve R
Thanks for posting that. It was interesting but very poorly argued - lots of assertion, very little evidence, and a worrying sympathy for the Brexit arguments of the right wing press (wrapped up as the experience of patriotic Joe and Joanne Public). He makes a halfhearted reference to progressive EU legislation but then goes back to the battle lines of 1973. Oddest of many odd claims seems to be that Russian oligarchs buying up central London are allowed to do so because the UK is in the EU.
He finishes with the image of a European directorial superstate run by and for a caste of unaccountable fat cat bureaucrats - the end of a sinister project that began with the Roman Empire! What did the Romans ever do for us?
Interesting in some ways but lazy and incoherent in others. There must be a better 'left wing case for leaving the EU' than that?
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Re: For all those that thought Tony Benn told it as it was - without the BS tactics
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Thanks for posting that. It was interesting but very poorly argued - lots of assertion, very little evidence, and a worrying sympathy for the Brexit arguments of the right wing press (wrapped up as the experience of patriotic Joe and Joanne Public). He makes a halfhearted reference to progressive EU legislation but then goes back to the battle lines of 1973. Oddest of many odd claims seems to be that Russian oligarchs buying up central London are allowed to do so because the UK is in the EU.
He finishes with the image of a European directorial superstate run by and for a caste of unaccountable fat cat bureaucrats - the end of a sinister project that began with the Roman Empire! What did the Romans ever do for us?
Interesting in some ways but lazy and incoherent in others. There must be a better 'left wing case for leaving the EU' than that?
:hehe:
I was just adding a link with the title in big quotation marks for the shirt man really if I'm honest :biggrin:
I'm sure there are good and bad arguments for both sides and no doubt they will all be argued about on here over the next few weeks, I've saved loads of stuff on my laptop but I'm not on it atm so you will have to give me your verdict on them when I get it back. :thumbup:
