ITV Euro debate
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ITV Euro debate
Meh.
I thought he held his own to a point, the pharma chap put him under severe pressure and wasn't really allowed to nail himQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Farage is very good in these sort of debates but tonight wasn't one of his best performances.
Certainly struggled against the pharma chap and was completely shown up by the black British woman over the dangers of his racist comments earlier today.
Cameron needs a good performance tonight as he's starting to struggle.
Julie Etchingham was my favourite.
I don't think anything has shifted after tonight.
Yup, a score draw, Cameron all about the economy, Farage all about migration, having them apart at least resulted in a no question time esque petty squabbles wasting timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
For those of us old enough to remember the "clapometer" on some god-awful tv show, there was only one winner and it sure as hell wasnt Farage. How he can stand there and almost suggest GDP isnt important is frankly laughable!
Have you tried Dulcolax or Senokot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Sir. Are you suggesting that I'm full of shit?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve R
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/busines...thews-11439615
Surely Wales at least will heed the advice of one of our most successful businessmen every time over the crazy ideals of Farage?
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Originally Posted by Dénia Bluebird
I'd rather he would invest a little more of his obscene wealth in Wales rather than give advice to a country, to which he doesn't reside in, why is it that those who leave Wales always seem to think they know whats best for Wales ?
It would seem money is the most important thing in your life. Keeping our country safe is mine .Who gives a flying **** what Mathews has to say ? Once w e come out we should stop paying pensions to the sponging ex pat community. If they don't want to.live here good luck to them but claimthere benefits from whichever country they choose to live
Farage is excellent at debating with politicians but not so good at dealing with questions from members of the public. Tonight's performance was not that good in my opinion.
As for Cameron he was disingenuous telling us he had secured a proposal to restrict benefits to migrants but omitting to point out that this has yet to be formally agreed and was equally slippery on some of the other issues. We all know his renegotiation was a total flop but he tried to kid us all that it was a success.
Neither performed well so the public at large is unlikely to be any the wiser.
The largest applauses of the night came when Cameron's questioners gave him very thinly veiled "I don't believe you've done anything positive in your EU negotiations" comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dénia Bluebird
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Originally Posted by Pearcey3
indeed :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
surely no-one believe's he went over and got us a better deal :hehe: he came back with fook all apart from his tail between his legsQuote:
Originally Posted by Ainsley Harriott
What sort of deal would we get if we leave?Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
It would be in the EU's interest to see us struggle to show life outside the EU is no bed of roses to the other nations.
I could easily see the EU cut off it's nose to spite it face regarding the UK and in 10 years we will be on our arse begging to be let back in.
Imagine Johnson, Gove, Redwood and Smith going out there and trying to tie up the deal. We may as well turn the lights out.
The entire human community is allowed to express an opinion. Why would you want to dismiss view's on the basis of the geographical location of the opiner? It's new one on me, I haven't come across such an informal fallacy before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
How did Nigel do? The same as he always does - came across like a one issue pub bore.
As for call me Dave, I just don't get it with him. I must be missing something because he always comes across to me as patronising and mediocre, but he must have something I suppose to have got his party back into Government after more than a decade of stumbling about shell shocked after what happened in 1997.
The thought of voting for a cause backed by either man is a depressing one for me and I'm afraid it's becoming a case of which option is least worse.
be gentle to he'll flounce again :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve R
David coburn of ukip seems to have uncovered a conspiracy here. Important work.Attachment 420
Couldn't agree more Bob.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
This referendum campaign has shown just how pathetic our so called leaders are. Neither side are making the case for in or out - it's all just scaremongering and bullshit.
Roll on Friday so we can worry about what really matters.
I agree with the benefits bitQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock
thats the issue, the STAY lot are just using " mights and maybe's " and rubbishing the " out "Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
The Out are telling us about this saving in money terms and pointing out that with more and more countries joining the EU and potentially heading over here for our " better than they have lifestyle and earnings " the risks that brings ( stretching public services are the main issue )
The STAY lot havent really given many facts, as they just do not know what will happen, the trade thing doesnt add up to me, will XXY company stop buying a specific part from ABC company due to us not being in the EU, of course they will not
The election isn't about voting for Farage or Cameron. If it was, I would abstain and, further, would remove myself from the electoral register in protest.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I am, currently, voting the same way that David Cameron will vote (assuming he isn't a secret brexitier). And, probably, for different reasons than him.
And the Leave campaign has given us solid facts??Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
re the "trade thing" the minute we come out, we lose EU grants, we expose ourselves to export tariffs, our goods and services will still have to comply with EU regulations etc
The truth is, NOBODY knows for sure what the outcome is if we leave, do you want to take that chance?
Plus, Matthews gets a vote doesn't he? Therefore his opinion is a legitimate as anyone else's.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Sorry, what nonsense. I am happy to get swayed by the LEAVE lot. I have listened to and read a lot more from the LEAVE campaign than the REMAIN because I am voting to stay but can be persuaded by a decent argument and some decent facts from the Leave camp. And, no facts have come out that haven't been tailored to scaremonger people. The ridiculousness of a claim that there will be 5.23 m migrants, the fact that they merely quote what the UK spends on the EU, but neglect to mention what comes in from the EU (yes, I know we are a NET contributor, but it really isn't costing the UK £350m per day).Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Neither side has given many facts. Both sides have been scaring the electorate to vote one way or the other. If the Leave camp can come up with some cast iron facts that show that the UK will definitely be better out than in and they drop the "Little Englander" style they are using presently - they'll get my vote.
Farage was warning of riots caused by mass immigration a few weeks ago - is that a fact?
I didn't say it was about individuals, but I've yet to come across one among the most prominent members of either cause that has inspired me to vote for their's - quite the opposite actually.
It looks like I'm in a similar position to you in that I'm a remain voter by instinct, but I've found their campaign to be dismal, negative and lacking the qualities needed to fire people towards supporting staying in - if anything, it's made me less likely to vote the way I would have done if the referendum had been held a couple of months ago.
Lives in Canada, votes for UK membership of EU. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
This is where I stand. If the Leave camp can convince me that the UK's trade will benefit from being out, then they get my vote. If they can convince me that the country is more secure by voting out, they get my vote. They've been incapable of doing that until now and, likewise, the Stay camp has done nothing to convince me that staying in is for the long-term benefit of the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
However, I have to vote, so I vote for the devil I know, and not the devil I don't.
He's a UK citizen - same as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
He has dual nationality, he's not the same as me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Badly Ironed Shirt
I've said previously, if the vote on 23rd June was to join the EU (having never been members), I'd vote to stay out. It sounds daft, but both sides are useless and neither has convinced me that change is necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think it's only an issue because his viewpoint differs from you. He has the right to vote, he is a UK citizen, he is entitled to his opinion regardless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Depends if the tariffs imposed on UK goods will make ABC's stuff more expensive.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt