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The one thing that's really upsetting about the brexit
That so many of the next generation could have had the opportunity to study, love and work easily in 27 other countries taken away from them mostly by a generation who have had all these benefits available to them
Working abroad is one of the best experiences I've had in my life, learning new languages, meeting new friends and having new experiences that you wouldn't simply by living in the uk.
Also the potential for top jobs to be lost in this country, coming from the valleys I've already seen the effect jobs disappearing can have on a location a lot of places have changed from being vibrant close nit communities to glorified commuter towns.
There's the possibility that things might not change if a decent deal is negotiated by the next PM (are you happy having a far right Tory negotiating with your children's future?).
If you had a good reason for voting for leaving the EU fair enough, although I'm still yet to hear one reason that isn't conjecture, hate filled, conspiracy based or just wanting to return to the chocolate box uk of the persons youth. If you voted leave without having a good reason for it you deserve every bit of anger that comes your way, especially if it's coming from the younger generation who could have just had 1000s of opportunities pulled from under them by one selfish narrow minded vote.
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Croesy Blue
That so many of the next generation could have had the opportunity to study, love and work easily in 27 other countries taken away from them mostly by a generation who have had all these benefits available to them
Working abroad is one of the best experiences I've had in my life, learning new languages, meeting new friends and having new experiences that you wouldn't simply by living in the uk.
Also the potential for top jobs to be lost in this country, coming from the valleys I've already seen the effect jobs disappearing can have on a location a lot of places have changed from being vibrant close nit communities to glorified commuter towns.
There's the possibility that things might not change if a decent deal is negotiated by the next PM (are you happy having a far right Tory negotiating with your children's future?).
If you had a good reason for voting for leaving the EU fair enough, although I'm still yet to hear one reason that isn't conjecture, hate filled, conspiracy based or just wanting to return to the chocolate box uk of the persons youth. If you voted leave without having a good reason for it you deserve every bit of anger that comes your way, especially if it's coming from the younger generation who could have just had 1000s of opportunities pulled from under them by one selfish narrow minded vote.
Hear, hear.
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I meant live abroad* not love but if anything you can add that in too. So many potential future friends and marriages could be wiped out by this vote.
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
That so many of the next generation could have had the opportunity to study, love and work easily in 27 other countries taken away from them mostly by a generation who have had all these benefits available to them
Working abroad is one of the best experiences I've had in my life, learning new languages, meeting new friends and having new experiences that you wouldn't simply by living in the uk.
Also the potential for top jobs to be lost in this country, coming from the valleys I've already seen the effect jobs disappearing can have on a location a lot of places have changed from being vibrant close nit communities to glorified commuter towns.
There's the possibility that things might not change if a decent deal is negotiated by the next PM (are you happy having a far right Tory negotiating with your children's future?).
If you had a good reason for voting for leaving the EU fair enough, although I'm still yet to hear one reason that isn't conjecture, hate filled, conspiracy based or just wanting to return to the chocolate box uk of the persons youth. If you voted leave without having a good reason for it you deserve every bit of anger that comes your way, especially if it's coming from the younger generation who could have just had 1000s of opportunities pulled from under them by one selfish narrow minded vote.
^THIS
We feel that the older generation has screwed us over again
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"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
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adz-a32
"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
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I hanker for the ration books again
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
Good post Adz. :thumbup:
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And don't forget several recessions they experienced, high unemployment, negative equity, hardly any access to university education and endowment policies that fell way short of their targets. The average Joe has little control over the economy whenever he was born.
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adz-a32
"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ZDsUGiGqM
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
Please tell me how you know how a certain age group voted in the referendum?
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There are stats everywhere about how age groups voted
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Llanedeyrnblue
Please tell me how you know how a certain age group voted in the referendum?
Because they keep interviewing old people on the news and they are all out. Because of polls, because of official stats. Granted not all of them, would be voting out but its a large majority.
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Taunton Blue Genie
And don't forget several recessions they experienced, high unemployment, negative equity, hardly any access to university education and endowment policies that fell way short of their targets. The average Joe has little control over the economy whenever he was born.
^^^^ this,
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Jimmy the Jock
Awe.. Never mind....
Unfortunately the exact attitude I'd expect, it's a huge shame.
Especially from a man who found love and work away from where he was born. Who knows if the next generations of scots would get the same opportunity you did if Scotland leaves the union. And I hope they do now, the scots have come out of this looking genuinely more enlightened than the English and Welsh and deserve their independence and access to the EU.
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Croesy Blue
I meant live abroad* not love but if anything you can add that in too. So many potential future friends and marriages could be wiped out by this vote.
Possibly even current. Depends what our new human rights will be.
We may very well be the first generation to say "It was better in my day". The world is a smaller place for the next generation of British people.
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Badly Ironed Shirt
Possibly even current. Depends what our new human rights will be.
We may very well be the first generation to say "It was better in my day". The world is a smaller place for the next generation of British people.
every generation looks back with rose tinted specs, nothing new there
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Croesy Blue
Unfortunately the exact attitude I'd expect, it's a huge shame.
Especially from a man who found love and work away from where he was born. Who knows if the next generations of scots would get the same opportunity you did if Scotland leaves the union. And I hope they do now, the scots have come out of this looking genuinely more enlightened than the English and Welsh and deserve their independence and access to the EU.
Does it matter what happens to the next generation of Scots? Jimmy's alright.
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Llanedeyrnblue
Please tell me how you know how a certain age group voted in the referendum?
A YouGov poll put 18-24 year olds as 75% Remain. 25-49 56% Remain. 50-64 44% Remain. 65+ 39% remain.
I don't know what the turnouts were across each group - we also know YouGov have been getting it wrong lately.
There are certainly more older voters than younger, because our country has an ageing population. That's why we need immigration - to pay for the pensions of the old, and the benefits of those unable to work.
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You are all talking like we are leaving the EU, yesterday was just the beginning, you will now endure a few months of Project fear2 - back with a vengeance, stock up on popcorn. :thumbup:
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Mrs Steve R
You are all talking like we are leaving the EU, yesterday was just the beginning, you will now endure a few months of Project fear2 - back with a vengeance, stock up on popcorn. :thumbup:
It will be very interesting to see how this works. I know you were saying that even if the UK votes out, they'll stay in. Maybe you didn't say that definitively - but you suggested it I am sure (apologies if not). Did you think it would be Boris who would be hesitating?
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Badly Ironed Shirt
A YouGov poll put 18-24 year olds as 75% Remain. 25-49 56% Remain. 50-64 44% Remain. 65+ 39% remain.
I don't know what the turnouts were across each group - we also know YouGov have been getting it wrong lately.
There are certainly more older voters than younger, because our country has an ageing population. That's why we need immigration - to pay for the pensions of the old, and the benefits of those unable to work.
Oh I see that's the YouGov polls was that the same polls that had Remain to win at 52% to 48% the day before the referendum?
As for paying for the pensions of the old, they've been very thoughtless retiring, I mean whose going to make up the shortfall of the lost Tax and NI contributions that the paid throughout their working lives?
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Badly Ironed Shirt
It will be very interesting to see how this works. I know you were saying that even if the UK votes out, they'll stay in. Maybe you didn't say that definitively - but you suggested it I am sure (apologies if not). Did you think it would be Boris who would be hesitating?
Behind closed doors, it's quite clear that Boris is shitting his pants. He was using this to chalk up experience and get his face recognised as a contender for leader of the Tories. It's all happened very quickly and he's trying to stall.
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Llanedeyrnblue
Oh I see that's the YouGov polls was that the same polls that had Remain to win at 52% to 48% the day before the referendum?
As for paying for the pensions of the old, they've been very thoughtless retiring, I mean whose going to make up the shortfall of the lost Tax and NI contributions that the paid throughout their working lives?
To be fair, even if they are 4% out as they were with the official one, then that still tells the same story.
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lardy
To be fair, even if they are 4% out as they were with the official one, then that still tells the same story.
Polls are useless the same thing happened at the last 2 elections,miles out
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Mrs Steve R
You are all talking like we are leaving the EU, yesterday was just the beginning, you will now endure a few months of Project fear2 - back with a vengeance, stock up on popcorn. :thumbup:
LOL yeah the first thing they did was stretch it out a bit, what chance a few (well a lot!) "events" occur before Article 50 is invoked? They have history on this :hehe:
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lardy
Behind closed doors, it's quite clear that Boris is shitting his pants. He was using this to chalk up experience and get his face recognised as a contender for leader of the Tories. It's all happened very quickly and he's trying to stall.
I think the "quiet one" will get it. I'm not sure if Boris needs to get his face out there, I think everybody knows who he is!
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Llanedeyrnblue
Polls are useless the same thing happened at the last 2 elections,miles out
What happened to your 8% post? :hehe:
If it makes you feel better, my 4% calculation is almost certainly wrong...
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Llanedeyrnblue
Oh I see that's the YouGov polls was that the same polls that had Remain to win at 52% to 48% the day before the referendum?
As for paying for the pensions of the old, they've been very thoughtless retiring, I mean whose going to make up the shortfall of the lost Tax and NI contributions that the paid throughout their working lives?
Talk about selective responding.
Firstly - I admitted that, although they were the figures from YouGov, Yougov were hardly reliable during the referendum nor the general election.
Secondly - I did NOT say that pensioners were thoughtless retiring. What I am saying is that the UK population is ageing and, with a shortage of young "indigenous" people to sustain the taxes to pay the pensions you have to look for immigration to fill the gap.
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Wales-Bales
I think the "quiet one" will get it. I'm not sure if Boris needs to get his face out there, I think everybody knows who he is!
George Harrison?
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
Spot on :thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
Llanedeyrnblue
Oh I see that's the YouGov polls was that the same polls that had Remain to win at 52% to 48% the day before the referendum?
As for paying for the pensions of the old, they've been very thoughtless retiring, I mean whose going to make up the shortfall of the lost Tax and NI contributions that the paid throughout their working lives?
Those same pensioners whose taxes paid for the welfare state that the whining,foot stamping,dummy spitting remainiac ****s were raised in.
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goslow
Those same pensioners whose taxes paid for the welfare state that the whining,foot stamping,dummy spitting remainiac ****s were raised in.
Again, I wasn't complaining about pensioners. I was making the point that the UK population is getting older and so the main way to sustain their well-earned pensions is through immigration. The other way to look after our pensioners needs is to raise NI contributions and/or taxes.
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Badly Ironed Shirt
George Harrison?
Quiet during the referendum. I think she was hedging her bets, waiting to play the unifying card. These scheming people are really calculating and despicable.
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Wales-Bales
Quiet during the referendum. I think she was hedging her bets, waiting to play the unifying card. These scheming people are really calculating and despicable.
The night of the many long knives :hehe:
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Badly Ironed Shirt
Again, I wasn't complaining about pensioners. I was making the point that the UK population is getting older and so the main way to sustain their well-earned pensions is through immigration. The other way to look after our pensioners needs is to raise NI contributions and/or taxes.
If only there were unemployed people in this country who could fill these jobs......
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goslow
If only there were unemployed people in this country who could fill these jobs......
Probably not the skilled jobs
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goslow
If only there were unemployed people in this country who could fill these jobs......
There are more immigrants working here than there are unemployed people. Many are doing skilled jobs that would take the UK years to train people up for.
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Originally Posted by
adz-a32
"This is the last '**** you' from the baby boomers. They took the secure corporate and government jobs with the guaranteed pay rises and final salary pension schemes and benefitted from property they bought cheap and sold dear. They burnt the bridges behind them by colluding with the dismantling of the very things that had brought them prosperity. Their last act will be to burn the economy before they die."
A shame that someone who, rightly, defends his religion on here against mean spirited people who deal in vague and sweeping generalisations should resort to using such soundbite and cliche filled stuff, which only makes him equally guilty when it comes to taking ill informed swipes at another section of society.
I may not have been the most enthusiastic of remain voters, but remain voter I was and I'm now of an age where I can use my senior citizens bus pass if I want to. More importantly, while I think we should have realised by now that political opinion polling should be treated with a fair degree of caution, I find the figures in that poll quite reassuring because remain voters in my age group (50-64) were only four per cent down on the national figure, while the 39% of over 65s who voted remain is two points higher than the number in all age groups which voted for the party whose leader tried to sort out it's mess over Europe by giving us the referendum in the first place in the last general election - in both cases, the remain votes among 50 pluses is higher than I would have predicted it to be beforehand.
Very good opening post in this thread by the way.