Freedoms?

Where are the freedoms that we had in the 70's and 80's? Increasingly we are seeing freedoms that we all took for granted in the UK increasingly coming under attack. Freedom of speech is one that people see as one of the most noticeable of our freedoms that slowly but surely is being curtailed.

They're not on the road yet, but some believe it is just a matter of time before there will be some serious clampdowns on what you are and are not allowed to talk about on social media.

https://twitter.com/londontaxitrade/...20647892013056

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rynxqdNMry4

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Originally Posted by Splott David

Where are the freedoms that we had in the 70's and 80's? Increasingly we are seeing freedoms that we all took for granted in the UK increasingly coming under attack. Freedom of speech is one that people see as one of the most noticeable of our freedoms that slowly but surely is being curtailed.

They're not on the road yet, but some believe it is just a matter of time before there will be some serious clampdowns on what you are and are not allowed to talk about on social media.

https://twitter.com/londontaxitrade/...20647892013056

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rynxqdNMry4

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Yeah by all the lefties :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Yeah by all the lefties :hehe:

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Oi Mrs, you're the one who enticed me into your 'leftie blog'

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Originally Posted by Splott David

Oi Mrs, you're the one who enticed me into your 'leftie blog'

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What? :hehe: I don't have a lefty blog, I'm not even a lefty, I've learnt not to help them now, can I entice you to join me in that? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

What? :hehe: I don't have a lefty blog, I'm not even a lefty, I've learnt not to help them now, can I entice you to join me in that? :hehe:

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I know a leftie when I see one. You're more of a leftie than Leon Trotsky was. It's okay you're amongst frwiends comrade commissar...

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Originally Posted by Splott David

I know a leftie when I see one. You're more of a leftie than Leon Trotsky was. It's okay you're amongst frwiends comrade commissar...

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Bullshit, just ask goslow :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Bullshit, just ask goslow :hehe:

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I don't get involved in domestics :hehe:

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Originally Posted by goslow

I don't get involved in domestics :hehe:

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Domestics? wtf :hehe:

Feel free to express some of your right-wing views in this thread by the way, David is all for free speech. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Domestics? wtf :hehe:

Feel free to express some of your right-wing views in this thread by the way, David is all for free speech. :hehe:

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As long as you agree with the shill

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Originally Posted by goslow

As long as you agree with the shill

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What do you mean?

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

What do you mean?

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Splotto,the isreali shill,only supports freedom of speech if you agree with him.

Unsure why you think you are any less free. Completely wrong actually.

What were you allowed to say in the 70's and 80's that you cannot now?.

What method did you use to make these statements in the 70's and 80's exactly?.

Because last time I checked only now you have a way of saying things in public - social media.

And only now is it being policed. As it should be.

And you have never been free. Ever. Money, passports, laws etc. You about as free as a north korean in a gulag.

Your last sentence is nonsense. I can't believe you have any memory of the 1970s otherwise you wouldn't ask many of those questions. To get an insight into what was acceptable then have a look at TV shows the like of Till Death Us Do Part and Love Thy Neighbour on Youtube. There's reasons why they are not repeated on terrestrial channels.

My father would say that I have more freedoms in this modern world. Yes you could say more in the dark room back in the 70's. But in general life we have so much more freedoms to enjoy.

What freedoms have been taken from you SD. How has it effected you. I am too young to even be alive back then, so please educate me.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Your last sentence is nonsense. I can't believe you have any memory of the 1970s otherwise you wouldn't ask many of those questions. To get an insight into what was acceptable then have a look at TV shows the like of Till Death Us Do Part and Love Thy Neighbour on Youtube. There's reasons why they are not repeated on terrestrial channels.

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"Cardiff City" written in Persian Farsi, does seem to have a habit of wearing his ignorance like an Olympic gold medal for all to see Organ.

Freedoms, in what context? It certainly isn't privacy wise. We are the most watched people on the planet.

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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R

Domestics? wtf :hehe:

Feel free to express some of your right-wing views in this thread by the way, David is all for free speech. :hehe:

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Free speech doesn't mean freedom to read. All are welcome to free speech and freedom of expression, no one is compelled to read it

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Originally Posted by Splott David

"Cardiff City" written in Persian Farsi, does seem to have a habit of wearing his ignorance like an Olympic gold medal for all to see Organ.

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What have I said that is ignorant you absolute bap.

I actually regard factual evidence as basis for my opinions.

Not made up conspiracy theories of a 15 year old.

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Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف

What have I said that is ignorant you absolute bap.

I actually regard factual evidence as basis for my opinions.

Not made up conspiracy theories of a 15 year old.

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Organ dealt with your last post quite effectively. He did the same with a previous screed and rant that you posted a few days ago.

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Originally Posted by Splott David

Organ dealt with your last post quite effectively. He did the same with a previous screed and rant that you posted a few days ago.

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You rant all day every day on that twitter account.

Obviously old farts have no idea about what was and wasnt allowed throughout the MTV era.

Far worse than some old crap with jolly racism.

C4 had a programme not so long ago with people shagging in boxes.

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Freedoms, in what context? It certainly isn't privacy wise. We are the most watched people on the planet.

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So CCTV watching you is a trespass on your freedom? Granted internet monitoring is prevalent in this day and age. But you didn't have internet in the 70s. So the method of free speech available to you in the 70's are still free today as they were then, are they not?

And what exactly do you have to worry about about being watched on the internet? Unless you believe in the conspiracy of the thought police. 99.99% of people have absolutely nothing that will be watched and looked over.

If we look at what else is different about the 70's and now, Paedos for example. Back then free to abuse almost openly. Today the internet has made this easier for them. Should we allow paedos free passage on the internet to share children. Or should it be policed? So that certain crimes can be targeted. Policing has convicted hundreds, and saved thousands of children. I know your concern SD is that the thought police will make everything a crime and convict us all. Well please leave that type of paranoia to where it came from, in the USA. The government are not out to get us all.

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Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف

You rant all day every day on that twitter account.

Obviously old farts have no idea about what was and wasnt allowed throughout the MTV era.

Far worse than some old crap with jolly racism.

C4 had a programme not so long ago with people shagging in boxes.

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Here's just five for you:

2006 Terrorism Act https://www.article19.org/data/files...-icj-panel.pdf

Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by UK law. Nevertheless that hasn't stopped the government from increasingly implementing surveillance and filtering.

In 2011, a series of privacy injunctions, so called 'super injunctions', were introduced thereby preventing the public's right to know about certain events or incidents which could be in the public interest, i.e. previously able to have been reported on.

In 2016 the government moved to stop publicly funded organisations boycotting companies they consider "unethical".

Also in 2016 the government announced plans to ban "any public authority from imposing a boycott on a country signed up to the World Trade Organisation government procurement agreement".

As said, how is this comparable to the 70's, when the internet was not around?.

Who is to say in the cold war era that the surveillance would be less than now?????

Terrible question, but is paedophilia freedom of expression?.

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Originally Posted by Splott David

Here's just five for you:

2006 Terrorism Act https://www.article19.org/data/files...-icj-panel.pdf

Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by UK law. Nevertheless that hasn't stopped the government from increasingly implementing surveillance and filtering.

In 2011, a series of privacy injunctions, so called 'super injunctions', were introduced thereby preventing the public's right to know about certain events or incidents which could be in the public interest, i.e. previously able to have been reported on.

In 2016 the government moved to stop publicly funded organisations boycotting companies they consider "unethical".

Also in 2016 the government announced plans to ban "any public authority from imposing a boycott on a country signed up to the World Trade Organisation government procurement agreement".

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Sounds like they are simply updating existing policies for a modern technology and threat.

They carried out propaganda before this and way before the 70's. Only today its more out in the open for everyone to see what they are doing. so people like you can spend a lifetime (is that all its been, feels like several) tracking what happens and bring the occasional thing to everyones attention. Aint it great the freedom we have to question and to hold our government to rite. Never had that in the 70's. You would be beaten by a baton instead.

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Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف

As said, how is this comparable to the 70's, when the internet was not around?.

Who is to say in the cold war era that the surveillance would be less than now?????

Terrible question, but is paedophilia freedom of expression?.

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I won't dignify that last point with a response.

However when it comes to 'freedoms' they take many forms as practices that were commonplace in the 70's and to some extent in the 80's, as far as union collective bargaining is concerned, have now been adversely affected in the UK as a result of the EU's bias towards capital rather than labour.

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/the-terrible-...-union-rights/

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Originally Posted by Splott David

I won't dignify that last point with a response.

However when it comes to 'freedoms' they take many forms as practices that were commonplace in the 70's and to some extent in the 80's, as far as union collective bargaining is concerned, have now been adversely affected in the UK as a result of the EU's bias towards capital rather than labour.

http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/the-terrible-...-union-rights/

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You won't dignify it with a response.

Yet you want an unpoliced internet.

That is why it is policed. To stop horrid things like that.

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

So CCTV watching you is a trespass on your freedom? Granted internet monitoring is prevalent in this day and age. But you didn't have internet in the 70s. So the method of free speech available to you in the 70's are still free today as they were then, are they not?

And what exactly do you have to worry about about being watched on the internet? Unless you believe in the conspiracy of the thought police. 99.99% of people have absolutely nothing that will be watched and looked over.

If we look at what else is different about the 70's and now, Paedos for example. Back then free to abuse almost openly. Today the internet has made this easier for them. Should we allow paedos free passage on the internet to share children. Or should it be policed? So that certain crimes can be targeted. Policing has convicted hundreds, and saved thousands of children. I know your concern SD is that the thought police will make everything a crime and convict us all. Well please leave that type of paranoia to where it came from, in the USA. The government are not out to get us all.

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Credit to you for not writing the line, 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.' But that's the angle you're coming from. I'll go with whistleblower Edward Snowden's assertion that British snoops are even more invasive than their Yank counterparts and that Tempora is real and more powerful than Prism.

Free speech, absolute free speech, has never existed. I'm not going to answer stuff directed at Splott Dai as he's able to articulate his own opinions, plus I don't wish to humour your delusions that he and I are the same person.

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Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف

You won't dignify it with a response.

Yet you want an unpoliced internet.

That is why it is policed. To stop horrid things like that.

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Which part of "Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by UK law" was it that you did not understand?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Credit to you for not writing the line, 'if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.' But that's the angle you're coming from. I'll go with whistleblower Edward Snowden's assertion that British snoops are even more invasive than their Yank counterparts and that Tempora is real and more powerful than Prism.

Free speech, absolute free speech, has never existed. I'm not going to answer stuff directed at Splott Dai as he's able to articulate his own opinions, plus I don't wish to humour your delusions that he and I are the same person.

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I used to hate the idea of my emails being watched, but I couldn't really give a toss. I even email the occasional thing that is likely to get highlighted so that they can read my nonsense emails.

But it is true. As it is there is nowt to bother yourselves with. And I know the point is more where its heading. What will they do in the future. They wont be arsed to make sure everyone is moving to the same beat. Playing the same tune.

Yes it has been abused already. I remember reading that a council used some snooping powers they had to try and prove that someone didn't live where they said they did to get a place in a school. And the more they are used the matter of fact it can become. We do need people watching out for our civil liberties. But we dont all need to be worrying about it like some think we should be. For a start life is simply too bloody short to not be living your life, and instead wasting it worrying about being watched.

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Originally Posted by Splott David

Which part of "Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by UK law" was it that you did not understand?

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And we are all the trolls? ??

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

And we are all the trolls? ??

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Ah the chemical connections in your brain have finally worked out that Organ and I are not one and the same person.

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Originally Posted by Splott David

Which part of "Freedom of expression and protection of privacy over the Internet is guaranteed by UK law" was it that you did not understand?

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So what is the actual purpose of this thread?.

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Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف

So what is the actual purpose of this thread?.

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The posts and links demonstrate where freedoms, both social and workplace, have been denuded over the course of the last 30 years or so.

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

I used to hate the idea of my emails being watched, but I couldn't really give a toss. I even email the occasional thing that is likely to get highlighted so that they can read my nonsense emails.

But it is true. As it is there is nowt to bother yourselves with. And I know the point is more where its heading. What will they do in the future. They wont be arsed to make sure everyone is moving to the same beat. Playing the same tune.

Yes it has been abused already. I remember reading that a council used some snooping powers they had to try and prove that someone didn't live where they said they did to get a place in a school. And the more they are used the matter of fact it can become. We do need people watching out for our civil liberties. But we dont all need to be worrying about it like some think we should be. For a start life is simply too bloody short to not be living your life, and instead wasting it worrying about being watched.

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Councils use (misuse) RIPA, The Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000. There's scarier ones than that on the statute book, namely The Civil Contingencies Act 2004, the equivalent of the Patriot Act in the USA (which, incidentally, must have been written before 9-11 given its length at over one million words).

It's heading for blanket facial and gait and walking recognition cameras in urban areas and drones covering the countryside. All for our safety and protection, of course.

Most crimes are committed in private homes, it would be logical then for the state to install them inside addresses using any number of pretences. The nothing to hide/fear maxim would be employed. I suppose the ultimate aim is to microchip everyone to track their movements. Gradualism's been the name of the game. We can only hope they are in no hurry to implement the Mark of the Beast.

I agree about not worrying about what might happen. Nevertheless, I think it's prudent to make some provisions. The German government seem to think so too. The link below is from today.

Germans told to 'stockpile food and water' in civil defence plan - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ood-and-water/

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Your last sentence is nonsense. I can't believe you have any memory of the 1970s otherwise you wouldn't ask many of those questions. To get an insight into what was acceptable then have a look at TV shows the like of Till Death Us Do Part and Love Thy Neighbour on Youtube. There's reasons why they are not repeated on terrestrial channels.

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http://www.thecanary.co/2016/08/25/t...out-traingate/

So dozens of posts and no actual examples of where our freedoms have got worse comparable to the 70s.

Come on can we have some solids examples of where the average person has less freedom.

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Originally Posted by Barry Dragon

So dozens of posts and no actual examples of where our freedoms have got worse comparable to the 70s.

Come on can we have some solids examples of where the average person has less freedom.

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Technology has changed everything and he cannot distinguish between physical freedoms then, and virtual freedoms now.

In other words, he's talking poo.

I read rumours on various sites that the USA may be handing over ICANN numbers to countries not so liberal regarding freedoms, get ready for the internet kill switch!!!

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Originally Posted by شهرستان کاردیف

Technology has changed everything and he cannot distinguish between physical freedoms then, and virtual freedoms now.

In other words, he's talking poo.

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For the benefit of yourself and Baz, I gave you examples with those TV shows. You're likely both too young to remember them. You're certainly too idle to do the tiniest bit of research or view just a few minutes of the episodes on Youtube otherwise you'd have a clue.

I'll save you boys the bother... I was on about political correctness. The leading character in those shows were fond of referring to black people as coons and nig-nogs. The irony is those characters were drawn for viewers to laugh at their ignorance. But it turned out that a substantial number couldn't figure it out for themselves and heartily agreed with their racist views and absurd narrowmindedness of general life.