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It'll be interesting to hear what the knuckle daggers think of our elected parliament debating and eventually making a decision that will affect the country, whichever way they choose.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
This wasn't announced at 10am byany chance was it?
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1. You lost, get over itQuote:
Originally Posted by itkman
2. UKIP should've had more seats in a first past the post system
3. Sour grapes etc
£ already up against the $
Remain voters are the only ones with a functioning brain you see.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Even though 99% of people I know voted remain and they haven't the slightest idea of politics or goings on in the world beyond headlines.
Shall we start debating the results of general elections? Because that is the equivalent.
As is being pointed out elsewhere, Leaver voters voted to take back control. This is a Briitish court applying British law saying the British pariament voted for by British people should decide what to do after the British people advised them in a referendum. This is democracy in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
Parliament voted to put the vote to the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
It was an act of parliament.
It is like debating the results of a general election.
This guy won't be happy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...medium=twitter
I think it's a PR coup for the govt/leave camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
They can play the outages card accusing the courts of undermining the will of the people.
Chances are then that the Supreme Court will overturn this anyway.
Remain voter by the way.
No it isn't, general elections are legally binding, this was always advisory. Nobody has the legal authority to activate article 50 yet. Unless the queen can by some outdated rule somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
It makes sense to me to have a vote once we know what the terms are.
With any project you decide to do it and then reassess once the terms are made clear.
Say you and the wife decide to get an extension put on to raise the value of the house. If the first quote comes back saying it'll actually cost twice what you thought and actually lower the value of your house you wouldn't say "well we have already decided now so we have to do it"
No you will look for a better option or abandon the idea altogether.
Fwiw I think it'll get through parliament without too much difficulty, as not many MPs will want to be seen as going against the majority of the population.
Th best thing about it is that the government will have to give away some of their plan in order to get it through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I'm also doubtful that the lords will pass it
One of Blair's protégés and a bossy foreign born woman married to a Jewish hedge fund multi-millionaire are overturning the wishes of the majority of voters. This will not end well.
What religion is everyone else involved?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
It is relevant because when it all goes tits up he can move to Israel. If you don't have a second country - or probably first in his case - you are stuck here.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Think there are other countries in the world to live in, should you wish to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
No they're not. They're overturning the (publicly facing at least) wishes of one person. They're actually doing what brexiters voted for.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
Do they sell pizza and curry there though?Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I always wondered why you loved dai splott.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
You argued with him, but there was always an underlying love.
Now I know why.
A SMALL majority, a number of whom have been reported as regretting their decision. (cuts both ways I'm sure)Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
Speaking as a remainer, I find the whole situation absolutely crazy.
Before the vote the government clearly had no plan of how to implement brexit.
They clearly hadn't considered the potential for this commons challenge and how to manage it.
The brexit vote was published with local results which could influence the MP of those constituencies i.e MP A was a Brexiter, he believes that this democratic vote should stand, yet his constituents who elected him mainly voted to remain.
Does he vote:
a. To uphold the result of the democratic referendum
b. In accordance with the wishes of his constituency?
c. With his conscience (I know, I laughed at this bit too)
What happens when all the Scottish MP's vote to reject the triggering of article 50
All the Welsh ones vote to press the button
And all the South East MP's vote remain
It's an absolute fecking shambles
Yep spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
What was / is the ****ing plan if we go was always my arguement .
A vote in parliament gave the power, emphasis on POWER, to the people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
MP's should act on the will of the people. In this case. Not all.
Jacob Rees Mogg said parliament should never act on the opinion of the people alone. But by voting on it, it became more than just an opinion. They should act to some degree on the wishes of their constituents.
This is parliamentary democracy, I'll accept. But I think the country/countries now know it is a farce. There is no democracy. MP's hold absolute power.
It may be the correct process. But this is the day millions lost complete confidence in the system.
It is not as easy to emigrate as you think. If you don't want to go to an EU country then Australia is the first choice for most Britons, but they will not take anyone over 50. They also have many other conditions. Unless you pretend to be an asylum seeker I can't think of many countries who would accept a retired person for example. Despite all the Indians and Chinese we have here it is almost impossible to emigrate there unless you are of Indian or Chinese extraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Doubt it, good old British foods that only the Brits can do properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
Like others on this board, I have lived overseas. I personally know white Brits who have lived in both India and China.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
It does help if you're good at your job, I'll grant you that.
Not only that, if Scotland voted to leave the UK by a landslide, Westminster could easily vote it down.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
MP's think Scotland should stay. That is the wonderful parliamentary process.
There is ZERO democracy.
I didn't agree with a lot of his ideas on Israel. Whatever you say about Jews it can't be denied they look after their own and in my book that is to be admired.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
They were never, and could never be, Indian or Chinese citizens - unless they have changed the rules recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
I didn't say they were. I said they lived there.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
There was no plan because it was not intended to happen. But the people have spoken and there will be trouble we do not get our independence.Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
I know, but you phrased it to make it look like you were contradicting my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Yep, that's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
There are countless ludicrously rich Arabs it could be said as well.
And their tentacles reach every corner of the world now.
Trouble eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
In what way?
People posting stuff on twitter?
People mumbling something under their breath?
People reading their newspapers while shaking their heads?
Perhaps we can rise up and protest - obviously with the prior approval and designated route agreed by the police of course.
Beware the wrath of the people!!!!!!!
(Unless it cold or there's something good on telly)
A Labour MP just said they will not try to delay the decision of the exit.
So this may be a load of old Whoooo Ha.
They COULD have made the referendum legally binding, like the Scottish Indy ref. But they didn't, it was only advisory.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
As such they HAVE to get the agreement of parliament in order to make this change.
I didn't the Scottish one was legally binding if I am honest.:indifferent:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Eh? You were talking about emigrating, which means living in a different country. It doesn't mean becoming a citizen. You used the word 'emigrate' twice.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Vincent
Great effort on changing the subject, though. And for future info, no one cares if someone is Jewish or not (except Organ Morgan, funnily enough).
No it isnt. Saying it twice in one thread does not make it so either.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
If a Gov't gets voted in by the people on the back of bullsh1t and lies, then they can be voted out within 5 years, or even sooner if push really did come to shove.
Brexit , on the other hand, apparently means Brexit.
It is pretty clear that even the tiny majority who voted for brexit had no more clue than those that voted against it.
Alarmingly a number now seem to have changed thier mind or 'didnt really mean it'.
Dont hear many 'Remainers' saying that do we...
It is also a matter of fact that the a huge percentage of Brexiters were old Diddybobs whose primary wish was to go to the grave waving an Union jack and singing Rule Britannia, before they croak and leave us to sort out the ramifications.
Lastly, 'Brexit' was a protest vote from many disenfranchised areas of our country.
Now personally - I am still undecided whether brexit is going to be a good thing or not - mark me as a neutral, but if the above are the sort of things that people want to swagger about behind and use phrases like 'you lost - get over it' like some kind of game without consequence, or make completely incorrect analogies then Jeez ...
But so be it, and Democracy must be respected.
It seems increasingly clear that nobody in Gov't or Whitehall looked into the actual machinery of brexit.
Because they didn't expect it to actually happen in a million years!
Democracy???Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
A case brought forward by a fund manager? You mean the financial markets get their own way over democracy.
A case of got enough money and you can get government to do what you want.