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Interesting poll on hard vs soft Brexit
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This suggests that about 3/4 of those who voted for brexit would prefer a hard Brexit.
That half of remain voters are hoping for a miracle, and that if a further referendum was held on hard vs soft Brexit then soft would probably win.
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Half the population couldn't tell you the name of the prime minister if their lives depended on it
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TH63
Half the population couldn't tell you the name of the prime minister if their lives depended on it
Presumably that's the half that voted to leave?
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TH63
Half the population couldn't tell you the name of the prime minister if their lives depended on it
This May or May not be true!
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Mrs Steve R
Presumably that's the half that voted to leave?
That is what I imagine he was suggesting!.
When nearly everyone I know voted remain. And most have no interest in politics whatsoever.
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LordKenwyne
That is what I imagine he was suggesting!.
When nearly everyone I know voted remain. And most have no interest in politics whatsoever.
It's a step up from being a racist I guess :hehe:
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Mrs Steve R
Presumably that's the half that voted to leave?
No, not at all.
I'm just suggesting that a significant percentage of the country will have more interest in who the winner of CBB is than who the prime minister is.
You might as well conduct a poll among babies in a maternity ward about what brand of milk they want as conduct a poll about hard or soft brexit amongst our electorate
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TH63
No, not at all.
I'm just suggesting that a significant percentage of the country will have more interest in who the winner of CBB is than who the prime minister is.
You might as well conduct a poll among babies in a maternity ward about what brand of milk they want as conduct a poll about hard or soft brexit amongst our electorate
Fair enough, I will let you have that one then. :hehe:
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Mrs Steve R
Presumably that's the half that voted to leave?
Reaching for victim status somewhat!
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I thought we could have it all and didn't have to choose. When are Europe due to come begging again?
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Eric Cartman
Reaching for victim status somewhat!
:hehe: Not a victim, just argumentative.
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Mrs Steve R
:hehe: Not a victim, just argumentative.
First time for everything. :hehe:
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jon1959
First time for everything. :hehe:
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The EU won't last without Britain and the US behind it.
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Mrs Steve R
:hehe: Not a victim, just argumentative.
That could be it :thumbup:
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Wales-Bales
The EU won't last without Britain and the US behind it.
I genuinely hope you're right
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TH63
I genuinely hope you're right
Why would you want it to fail?
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Rjk
Why would you want it to fail?
Because I believe that as we stand we're fecked. We depend on Europe for trade - we've screwed that up. We depend on Europe for funding - we've fecked that up too, exchange rates are going to increase the costs of our imports, exacerbated by the inevitable tariffs on European imports, and a summer holiday anywhere other than Barry island this year is going to cost an arm and a leg.
We are therefore left at the mercy of Boris Johnson managing to do a deal with Donald Trump to have any chance of a favourable trade deal with a major trading bloc.
Either that, or the whole European Union falls apart and we go back to where we were before the EU.
Looking on the bright side, most major international banks will end up leaving the U.K. so may be the last we'll see of jursett
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TH63
Because I believe that as we stand we're fecked. We depend on Europe for trade - we've screwed that up. We depend on Europe for funding - we've fecked that up too, exchange rates are going to increase the costs of our imports, exacerbated by the inevitable tariffs on European imports, and a summer holiday anywhere other than Barry island this year is going to cost an arm and a leg.
We are therefore left at the mercy of Boris Johnson managing to do a deal with Donald Trump to have any chance of a favourable trade deal with a major trading bloc.
Either that, or the whole European Union falls apart and we go back to where we were before the EU.
Looking on the bright side, most major international banks will end up leaving the U.K. so may be the last we'll see of jursett
I think we would be in a much worse position if the EU disintegrates. They are and will continue to be our largest market. Turmoil in Europe will not help us.
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Rjk
I think we would be in a much worse position if the EU disintegrates. They are and will continue to be our largest market. Turmoil in Europe will not help us.
Who said there will be turmoil? Maybe the opposite will occur :sherlock:
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Wales-Bales
Who said there will be turmoil? Maybe the opposite will occur :sherlock:
Anyone with any sense.
If course, the EU failing would be good news for some.
Vladimir Putin, the arms industry, large multinational companies so I suppose you're right, it isn't all bad news
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Rjk
Anyone with any sense.
If course, the EU failing would be good news for some.
Vladimir Putin, the arms industry, large multinational companies so I suppose you're right, it isn't all bad news
I'm sorry, but I don't follow your logic. The vast majority of countries in the world are not part of the EU, and even if the EU ended tomorrow, do you really think that it's constituent countries would stop trading with each other?
Brexit is about not wanting to be part of a political union. World trade will continue regardless of whether the EU exists or not.
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Wales-Bales
Who said there will be turmoil? Maybe the opposite will occur :sherlock:
European history suggests that things aren't stable when everyone fends for themselves.
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Rjk
I think we would be in a much worse position if the EU disintegrates. They are and will continue to be our largest market. Turmoil in Europe will not help us.
You may well be right, but both of us (reasonably intelligent people I'd like to think) "think", "feel", "believe", but the truth is, nobody really KNOWS for sure what the outcome will be, other than my summer holiday just got a whole lot moe expensive.
My whole argument is though that we have made a pretty momentous decision without knowing what the outcomes will be.
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Quite a few EU nationals going off on one on twitter after May's speech.
"1 million British people live in our country (spain), hurting our health service"
For a start it is around 300,000.
And this is the exact sort of comment on migration that get's called xenophobic here in the UK.
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+ A distinct lack of care for May saying parliament will get a vote on it.
Given the constant moaning and the court case, you'd have thought sh'ed be congratulated on the decision.
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lardy
European history suggests that things aren't stable when everyone fends for themselves.
World history also suggests that we used to go rampaging around the globe, raping and pilliging at every opportunity, but I think we can all agree that we have moved on since those days :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
World history also suggests that we used to go rampaging around the globe, raping and pilliging at every opportunity, but I think we can all agree that we have moved on since those days :biggrin:
Are you suggesting we have moved on from international disputes and war?
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lardy
Are you suggesting we have moved on from international disputes and war?
Not exactly, but it's a bit more subtle these days :hehe:
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How many people are able to write an intelligent list of ten pros and cons of membership of the EU?
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LordKenwyne
+ A distinct lack of care for May saying parliament will get a vote on it.
Given the constant moaning and the court case, you'd have thought sh'ed be congratulated on the decision.
Well done Mrs May for following the ****ing law. There, that good enough for you?
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Taunton Blue Genie
How many people are able to write an intelligent list of ten pros and cons of membership of the EU?
I can't. I like skiing so I voted remain.
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ninianclark
It's not up to the UK, the EU decides. If they wont shift on the free movement of people and the ability to trade with whoever the UKL wants to - then no deal will be available. And at the moment - those are the rules - no freedom of movement for goods without free movement of people. These are the EU rules, so there are 2 options - the EU changes those rules (like a pre maastricht situation) or they dont change their rules - in which case it is hard Brexit.
Given the option then as it stands I would go for a hard brexit. You cant have a soft brexit - it's like being a little pregnant.
The problem is that a hard brexit is against the majority of the population. Add to that the endless polls since the referendum that suggest far more leave voters would now change their mind than those who voted to stay, and a hard brexit shouldn't be on the agenda at all.
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Soft brexit is not brexit. Its the worst option. Be outside the decision making process, but tied to its rules. Why would we want that. Its a terrible position to be in.
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Eric the Half a Bee
The problem is that a hard brexit is against the majority of the population. Add to that the endless polls since the referendum that suggest far more leave voters would now change their mind than those who voted to stay, and a hard brexit shouldn't be on the agenda at all.
And many remain have now switched to leave now they realise the economy is not going to collapse.
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Eric the Half a Bee
The problem is that a hard brexit is against the majority of the population. Add to that the endless propaganda since the referendum that suggest far more leave voters would now change their mind than those who voted to stay, and a hard brexit shouldn't be on the agenda at all.
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I find your view on it all can depend on where you read your stories about it.
Been reading guardian and telegraph recently and it's like 2 completely different events. Guardian is so full of scare stories many are so bad that they are laughable. Full of inaccuracies where things have either purposely been taken out of context or just massively misunderstood. A few but extremely limited articles actually look at facts of what can happen.
Some of the telegraph stories really believe that brexit can be good for business. But they have a more balanced approach and understand things could go wrong for us and the economy.
I would recommend looking around for your stories on brexit. Otherwise you are only looking at a tunnel vision view of it all.
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Barry Dragon
I find your view on it all can depend on where you read your stories about it.
Been reading guardian and telegraph recently and it's like 2 completely different events. Guardian is so full of scare stories many are so bad that they are laughable. Full of inaccuracies where things have either purposely been taken out of context or just massively misunderstood. A few but extremely limited articles actually look at facts of what can happen.
Some of the telegraph stories really believe that brexit can be good for business. But they have a more balanced approach and understand things could go wrong for us and the economy.
I would recommend looking around for your stories on brexit. Otherwise you are only looking at a tunnel vision view of it all.
Maybe some companies will flourish under Brexit, I don't know.
What I do know is that if we end up having to prepare customs paperwork before working in Europe, our company is going to end up losing a lot of work.
At the moment, a client can call us, we put some equipment in a van and go and do the job - doesn't matter if it's in Brighton or Berlin.
I'm old enough to remember having to get a customs carnet to work in the E.U. It was a paperwork nightmare.
Don't know if this is a scare story, but I am genuinely scared for the future of our business
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Taunton Blue Genie
How many people are able to write an intelligent list of ten pros and cons of membership of the EU?
I'll have a go...
Cons
Collapse of the pound against the Dollar and Euro
Cost of imports higher
Increased Inflation
More difficult for us to travel to European Countries
The end of the European Health Insurance card
Global financial institutions may move out of London
No more European structural funding
My summer holiday is now going to cost a feckin fortune
Pros
No European influence over our legal system
Collapse of the pound against the Dollar and Euro
Cost of exports more attractive to foreign companies
Reduced European legislation over consumer goods standards eg reducing power output of vacuum cleaners etc
No, sorry failed, couldn't find ten intelligent pros and cons without further research and I suspect my poor effort will end up being far better than 75% of the population.
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Pros
-Being a member of the EURO allows germany to have a significantly weaker currency than it would have if it had its own currency. Making its exports cheaper than they should be, strengthening the economy.
Cons
-Being a member of the Euro the poorer 25 states have a stronger currency than they should, causing problems where exports are more expensive than they should be. This problem is then further added to by not having its own central bank to help revive the economy. See Italy Greece Spain for examples.
Being a member of the EU.
Pros
-Frictionless trading between a big bloc of nations
-Reduced costs for business as you can move and employ the cheapest labour
-Business can move tax around to the lowest tax economy like Belgium and Ireland easily (still possible outside, but more paperwork)
-Human Rights many of the less developed economies have greater protections for their people
Freedom of movement of labour allows you to move further afield to find a good job
-Common legislation amongst member groups allows items around the bloc to be the same, allowing reduced costs by economies of scale
-An unused potential to come together exert influence around the world
-Freedom of movement of labour allows expertise to come together to increase talent. Such movement of labour increases the wages of the highly skilled workforce
-ability to carry out large scale scientific projects (though feasible without EU)
-an attempt to level out the playing field in terms of european grants for the poorest areas of the bloc
Cons
-business can play off countries easily to reduce taxes and not pay them where they are morally due
-labour movement encourages business to employ the cheapest labour suppressing the lowest wages in society
-Unnecessary laws on fruit increasing costs and waste, laws on weigh units (have to use grams). 0-60, is now 0-62 (100kph)
-An inability for countries like France Spain and the UK to create trade deals with its former colonies/countries that it has historic ties with
-A one size fits all approach
-Globalisation means such trading blocs are not as necessary as they were.
I struggled more with the negatives and I was a leave voter. But if you consider several of the Pros are possible without the EU existing and that is part of the view of leave. Many parts of europe are great, but we dont requite a political bloc to have them.