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Scary, but, honestly, is anyone surprised by this?
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The whole idea of America now being a rogue state has been entirely created by the media.
Trump said numerous times he wants a reduction in war, only targeting the islamic peasants in the middle east.
We'll see if that happens mind.
The Guardian yesterday released an article on May working with trump. As usual, the readership insulted her. No "Moral compass" yada yada yada.
Then she gave a speech emphasising pacifism.
They gave that a few lines and didn't create a new article, just updating the above one so all the abuse remained at the top of the comments.
Either way they looked rather silly.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
The whole idea of America now being a rogue state has been entirely created by the media.
Trump said numerous times he wants a reduction in war, only targeting the islamic peasants in the middle east.
We'll see if that happens mind.
The Guardian yesterday released an article on May working with trump. As usual, the readership insulted her. No "Moral compass" yada yada yada.
Then she gave a speech emphasising pacifism.
They gave that a few lines and didn't create a new article, just updating the above one so all the abuse remained at the top of the comments.
Either way they looked rather silly.
There's silly though and then there's dangerous and, one week in, Trump's presidency is frightening me more than I thought it would - hopefully, he's like a kld with a new toy for now and things will calm down a bit in the months to come.
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Originally Posted by
LordKenwyne
The whole idea of America now being a rogue state has been entirely created by the media.
Trump said numerous times he wants a reduction in war, only targeting the islamic peasants in the middle east.
We'll see if that happens mind.
The Guardian yesterday released an article on May working with trump. As usual, the readership insulted her. No "Moral compass" yada yada yada.
Then she gave a speech emphasising pacifism.
They gave that a few lines and didn't create a new article, just updating the above one so all the abuse remained at the top of the comments.
Either way they looked rather silly.
Meanwhile globalist elements want to continue banging the drum, it's a good thing that Hillary never made it to the White House
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...warns-against/
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Re: Scary, but, honestly, is anyone surprised by this?
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the other bob wilson
There's silly though and then there's dangerous and, one week in, Trump's presidency is frightening me more than I thought it would - hopefully, he's like a kld with a new toy for now and things will calm down a bit in the months to come.
He is learning on the job, which is worrying.
He was joking yesterday saying "If you didn't know, I haven't been doing this long". With a smirk on his face...
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Wales-Bales
Yep. All the news about living in 1984, the people's champion Clinton lost. However will the ordinary folk cope:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3Ii34eWEAA4AFb.jpg
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ninianclark
Bob - The Guardian is to the left what the Daily Mail is to the right. Both papers should be treated with the utmost caution. Theresa May could sh1t a gold bar in Downing St - and the Guardian would run a story on litter being left in Westminster. The opposite is true for the mail.
Kenwyne - I think it's safe to say Trump is not a political president - he is there purely for 2 things. To stop terrorist attacks in American and to create jobs / exports and grow the American economy.
If you can get those 2 things right - the rest usually takes care of itself as you have the money to do it.
We wont be seeing and end to gun issues anytime soon over there :(
Who said anything about the Guardian?
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Re: Scary, but, honestly, is anyone surprised by this?
Agree that some of the rhetoric has been ostensibly about reducing military actions, however they have also talked about increasing USA and Russia nuclear arsenals, reducing actions aimed a limiting climate change and in general promoted nationalism, look like they will try to help the national front get into power in France, which could bring down the EU and questioned the point of NATO so I'm not entirely surprised that this conceptual clock has been advanced.
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Wales-Bales
However, not everyone is motivated by a pathological fear of what shadowy globalists may or may not be trying to do to us.
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Rjk
However, not everyone is motivated by a pathological fear of what shadowy globalists may or may not be trying to do to us.
Who is motivated by a pathological fear of the shadowy globalists? They have already become bit-part players, so some might find it amusing that they have chosen a time of regeneration and reconciliation to bang the drums of war. It's nice to see Brown and Hague come out of the shadows though, they have more in common than that which divides them.
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Wales-Bales
Who is motivated by a pathological fear of the shadowy globalists? They have already become bit-part players, so some might find it amusing that they have chosen a time of regeneration and reconciliation to bang the drums of war. It's nice to see Brown and Hague come out of the shadows though, they have more in common than that which divides them.
Incredible.
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the other bob wilson
Incredible.
Why? Boris said only today that Assad can now be reelected as the Syrian leader, and we should also become friends with Russia. Yesterday May made her pacifist speech about not interfering in other countries. Trump is focusing on jobs and trade. If that is not regeneration and reconciliation, then what is it?
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Wales-Bales
Why? Boris said only today that Assad can now be reelected as the Syrian leader, and we should also become friends with Russia. Yesterday May made her pacifist speech about not interfering in other countries. Trump is focusing on jobs and trade. If that is not regeneration and reconciliation, then what is it?
Didn't seem much of a pacifist, nor a very good politician, here as she continuously flounders when asked a simple question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KINeq-N0wc8
As for Boris, based on previous form, there were probably speeches prepared with him saying the exact opposite of what you highlight that he decided not to use at the last minute.
If only Trump was focusing on jobs and trade! "America first" can sound like a great soundbite for any politician from that country, but when this President uses the term, it has all sorts of negative connotations for trading partners. other races, other religions and certain cities within that country - I have made my feelings about the man clear on here for months now, but looking at it from as neutral a position as I can manage, one thing Trump is not, and will never be, is some sort of great unifier or reconciler.
None of this is to take into account the opinion of the BPA who it seems believe that this is far from an era of reconciliation and, let's face it, hindsight shows that their record up to now is a pretty accurate commentary of how safe the world felt in any given year, so, yes, I find your choice of words incredible.
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the other bob wilson
Didn't seem much of a pacifist, nor a very good politician, here as she continuously flounders when asked a simple question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KINeq-N0wc8
As for Boris, based on previous form, there were probably speeches prepared with him saying the exact opposite of what you highlight that he decided not to use at the last minute.
If only Trump was focusing on jobs and trade! "America first" can sound like a great soundbite for any politician from that country, but when this President uses the term, it has all sorts of negative connotations for trading partners. other races, other religions and certain cities within that country - I have made my feelings about the man clear on here for months now, but looking at it from as neutral a position as I can manage, one thing Trump is not, and will never be, is some sort of great unifier or reconciler.
None of this is to take into account the opinion of the BPA who it seems believe that this is far from an era of reconciliation and, let's face it, hindsight shows that their record up to now is a pretty accurate commentary of how safe the world felt in any given year, so, yes, I find your choice of words incredible.
Are you basing your reasoning on a symbolic Doomsday Clock, and not on what people say or do? I can give you a list of who the real warmongers are, including that shadowy group of Labour/Conservative globalists who have just released a report banging on about how good military intervention in other countries is. And you are also forgetting that if Hilary Clinton was elected president your symbolic Doomsday Clock would now be standing at 2 seconds to midnight!
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Odd that May seems to have hsd a dramatic conversion and is all of a sudden anti war. What May says and how she votes are two very different things.
Lets see if her words prove to be hollow.
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Wales-Bales
Are you basing your reasoning on a symbolic Doomsday Clock, and not on what people say or do? I can give you a list of who the real warmongers are, including that shadowy group of Labour/Conservative globalists who have just released a report banging on about how good military intervention in other countries is. And you are also forgetting that if Hilary Clinton was elected president your symbolic Doomsday Clock would now be standing at 2 seconds to midnight!
What's the time Mr Wolf? :hehe:
(Dunno where that just came from)
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Pearcey3
Odd that May seems to have hsd a dramatic conversion and is all of a sudden anti war. What May says and how she votes are two very different things.
Lets see if her words prove to be hollow.
Boris has also undergone a remarkable transformation. It's only a guess, but maybe they aren't doing all of their own thinking? :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
Are you basing your reasoning on a symbolic Doomsday Clock, and not on what people say or do? I can give you a list of who the real warmongers are, including that shadowy group of Labour/Conservative globalists who have just released a report banging on about how good military intervention in other countries is. And you are also forgetting that if Hilary Clinton was elected president your symbolic Doomsday Clock would now be standing at 2 seconds to midnight!
I don't get your last sentence. Hilary Clinton (who I wouldn't have voted for if I were American) was a very influential member of a Government run by another "liberal elite" globalist who is called a warmonger by his critics and yet the Doomsday clock moves closer to midnight as soon as he, and by implication, Clinton are no longer involved in Government - you maintain however that we are now into an era of "regeneration and reconciliation", so I suppose it must mean that the scientists who are responsible for the Doomsday clock are in the liberal elite as well?
Similarly, you bring attention to "Labour/Conservative globalists" who you say are the "real war mongers" - no doubt, these are also in the liberal elite.
Until last week at least, I would have said that, based on what she has done during her political career, our Prime Minister was a card carrying member of the liberal elite, but you say she has had a road to Damascus like conversion and now she's into pacifism.
Let's assume you are right in thinking that, my question is who changed her mind? Who turned Boris into a Putin lover? After all, you suggest that "they aren't doing all of their own thinking", so I can only assume that there must be another shadowy group in the background telling them, and Trump I presume. what to do - alternatively, the transfer window could be extended to shadowy groups that really run things I suppose, so should we expect a few more high profile moves out of the Liberal elite before 11.00 pm on Tuesday?
Of course, this second group would have to be opponents of the liberal elite and they would have to be pacifists who believed in torture, they would have to be backers of Russian intervention in Syria and Ukraine I presume, they would have to be in favour of nationalism to the extent that they believed that a wall (paid for by the country, full of rapists, on the other side of it) needed to be built on your borders, that global warming is a fantasy and, if Trump is anything to go by at least, think that people who don't pay tax are smart, women are there to be grabbed by the pussy and that millions of people who vote for "the other side" are committing electoral fraud, while every single vote cast for their man is kosher. Who are these people and where have they been hiding themselves over the last God knows how many years of Liberal elite. globalist, warmonger domination? We have a right to know!
It's hard debating with you when you are a plain, straightforward soul like me who isn't allowed the advantage of dreaming up a conspiracy theory to give credence to the unlikely sounding scenarios you may come up with - I feel like I'm wearing lead boots which keep me on terra firma, while, like Icarus, you can go off flying towards the sun :hehe:.
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Re: Scary, but, honestly, is anyone surprised by this?
Blimey Bob, next you'll be suggesting that the President actually has some power. Wouldn't that be wild and unexpected?
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the other bob wilson
I don't get your last sentence. Hilary Clinton (who I wouldn't have voted for if I were American) was a very influential member of a Government run by another "liberal elite" globalist who is called a warmonger by his critics and yet the Doomsday clock moves closer to midnight as soon as he, and by implication, Clinton are no longer involved in Government - you maintain however that we are now into an era of "regeneration and reconciliation", so I suppose it must mean that the scientists who are responsible for the Doomsday clock are in the liberal elite as well?
Similarly, you bring attention to "Labour/Conservative globalists" who you say are the "real war mongers" - no doubt, these are also in the liberal elite.
Until last week at least, I would have said that, based on what she has done during her political career, our Prime Minister was a card carrying member of the liberal elite, but you say she has had a road to Damascus like conversion and now she's into pacifism.
Let's assume you are right in thinking that, my question is who changed her mind? Who turned Boris into a Putin lover? After all, you suggest that "they aren't doing all of their own thinking", so I can only assume that there must be another shadowy group in the background telling them, and Trump I presume. what to do - alternatively, the transfer window could be extended to shadowy groups that really run things I suppose, so should we expect a few more high profile moves out of the Liberal elite before 11.00 pm on Tuesday?
Of course, this second group would have to be opponents of the liberal elite and they would have to be pacifists who believed in torture, they would have to be backers of Russian intervention in Syria and Ukraine I presume, they would have to be in favour of nationalism to the extent that they believed that a wall (paid for by the country, full of rapists, on the other side of it) needed to be built on your borders, that global warming is a fantasy and, if Trump is anything to go by at least, think that people who don't pay tax are smart, women are there to be grabbed by the pussy and that millions of people who vote for "the other side" are committing electoral fraud, while every single vote cast for their man is kosher. Who are these people and where have they been hiding themselves over the last God knows how many years of Liberal elite. globalist, warmonger domination? We have a right to know!
It's hard debating with you when you are a plain, straightforward soul like me who isn't allowed the advantage of dreaming up a conspiracy theory to give credence to the unlikely sounding scenarios you may come up with - I feel like I'm wearing lead boots which keep me on terra firma, while, like Icarus, you can go off flying towards the sun :hehe:.
You are taking all of this far too seriously! :biggrin:
BTW Hillary's emails are still be looked into. I'm not sure what they are after, but the oversight committee has just requested them from the FBI. Didn't Trump say she was going to be let off?
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Wales-Bales
You are taking all of this far too seriously! :biggrin:
BTW Hillary's emails are still be looked into. I'm not sure what they are after, but the oversight committee has just requested them from the FBI. Didn't Trump say she was going to be let off?
A little rich coming from someone who has made over 2,000 posts in the politics forum in just eight months... :biggrin:
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lardy
A little rich coming from someone who has made over 2,000 posts in the politics forum in just eight months... :biggrin:
It's been a remarkable period in our history, and 2017 is only going to get better! We've still got the financial crash to look forward to, as well as the collapse of the EU :yikes: Plus a lot more drama to come in Washington DC. Things are only just starting to warm up :biggrin:
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the other bob wilson
https://www.facebook.com/TheProjectT...1/?pnref=story
You don't need a Facebook account to watch this.
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Wales-Bales
Are you basing your reasoning on a symbolic Doomsday Clock, and not on what people say or do? I can give you a list of who the real warmongers are, including that shadowy group of Labour/Conservative globalists who have just released a report banging on about how good military intervention in other countries is. And you are also forgetting that if Hilary Clinton was elected president your symbolic Doomsday Clock would now be standing at 2 seconds to midnight!
Fooking hell, it's confusing reading your messages.
You criticise The Other Bob Wilson for referencing the Doomsday Clock before then concluding with where the symbolic clock would stand if Clinton were elected.
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Kris
Fooking hell, it's confusing reading your messages.
You criticise The Other Bob Wilson for referencing the Doomsday Clock before then concluding with where the symbolic clock would stand if Clinton were elected.
I was just playing along with the abstract logic by providing an abstract conclusion :biggrin:
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Kris
Wow, he has been busy, I wonder how many people he has angered by those decisions? Pressure from above, pressure from below comes to mind, I bet Soros diary is pretty full.
Got to love "Alternative facts" :hehe:
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Mrs Steve R
Wow, he has been busy, I wonder how many people he has angered by those decisions? Pressure from above, pressure from below comes to mind, I bet Soros diary is pretty full.
Got to love "Alternative facts" :hehe:
God bless the snowflakes :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
God bless the snowflakes :biggrin:
Find a safe space before the avalanche.
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Mrs Steve R
Find a safe space before the avalanche.
I'll blame the avalanche on global warming! :biggrin:
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Wales-Bales
I'll blame the avalanche on global warming! :biggrin:
"Alternative facts" :hehe:
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If you stare at the abyss for too long....
Some on here are apparently so worried about the threat of increasing globalisation that they now see a new rise of nationalism as a positive force and one that will lead to greater peace.
Does anyone really think that cosying up to the likes of erdogan will have a good outcome?
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Rjk
If you stare at the abyss for too long....
Some on here are apparently so worried about the threat of increasing globalisation that they now see a new rise of nationalism as a positive force and one that will lead to greater peace.
Does anyone really think that cosying up to the likes of erdogan will have a good outcome?
Globalisation would result in a new type of "serfdom", you just can't see it yet :biggrin: How could the possibility of the world's entire population being under the control of a few oligarchs end well?
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Rjk
If you stare at the abyss for too long....
Some on here are apparently so worried about the threat of increasing globalisation that they now see a new rise of nationalism as a positive force and one that will lead to greater peace.
Does anyone really think that cosying up to the likes of erdogan will have a good outcome?
Who said it was a positive force?
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Wales-Bales
Globalisation would result in a new type of "serfdom", you just can't see it yet :biggrin: How could the possibility of the world's entire population being under the control of a few oligarchs end well?
Globalisation WOULD result in a new type of serfdom?
You seem very sure of that statement? I suppose you've got a copy of the globalist handbook.
You're probably right, we are much better off going down the old nationalism route again, I mean I know that all went tits up last time, but you reckon we are all going to be serfs if we dont, so is probably worth the risk right?
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Mrs Steve R
Wow, he has been busy, I wonder how many people he has angered by those decisions? Pressure from above, pressure from below comes to mind, I bet Soros diary is pretty full.
Got to love "Alternative facts" :hehe:
Who needs facts, whether alternative or otherwise? People believe what they want to believe, always have always will.
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Rjk
Globalisation WOULD result in a new type of serfdom?
You seem very sure of that statement? I suppose you've got a copy of the globalist handbook.
You're probably right, we are much better off going down the old nationalism route again, I mean I know that all went tits up last time, but you reckon we are all going to be serfs if we dont, so is probably worth the risk right?
Normal citizens don't start wars, it's the bankers and that lot who gain the most, and they would also be the winners in a globalised world, where the newly globalised citizens would have no rights, only central control.
BTW you don't need a copy of the globalist handbook, just a knowledge of history.
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Kris
Who needs facts, whether alternative or otherwise? People believe what they want to believe, always have always will.
What can you do, eh? :biggrin:
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Mrs Steve R
What can you do, eh? :biggrin:
Go to Breitbart... :hehe:
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Kris
Go to Breitbart... :hehe:
I don't go to any side, either way it's helping tptb, I'm a jaywalker. :hehe:
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If only Trump was focusing on jobs and trade! "America first" can sound like a great soundbite for any politician from that country, but when this President uses the term, it has all sorts of negative connotations for trading partners. other races, other religions and certain cities within that country.
It really should come as no surprise that the new leader of the USA, should make it clear America comes first - do you think the Chinese, Russians or anyone else is going to be shocked by that. What do you want him to say - let's continue to be the world's doormat, by allowing all and sundry into the country and by allowing fellow NATO members pay a disproportionately low amount for decades.
I have made my feelings about the man clear on here for months now, but looking at it from as neutral a position as I can manage, one thing Trump is not, and will never be, is some sort of great unifier or reconciler.
Bob, that is impossible for you to do. You cannot be neutral in any way about Trump as you are very, very heavily biased against him