Adam Matthews

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I'm not condoning Dave Jones' handling of a then, young Matthews (18?), however, perhaps he saw something in the player's character even way back then that was not good?

Looks like he's a firm favourite at Aston Gate. All credit to the lad.

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Originally Posted by Steve R

Looks like he's a firm favourite at Aston Gate. All credit to the lad.

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I say First name on the weekly team sheet :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

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I'm not condoning Dave Jones' handling of a then, young Matthews (18?), however, perhaps he saw something in the player's character even way back then that was not good?

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Definitely. In don't think he would have sounded out a player without reason.

Agent Matthews. :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Agent Matthews. :hehe:

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:hehe:

Doing a fine job, hope he keeps it up

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Definitely. In don't think he would have sounded out a player without reason.

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He wasn't out of shape etc then though, maybe him sticking at Cardiff instead of going to Celtic would have made him a better player? He's been overtaken by Jazz Richards for Wales too, which would have been unthinkable when he left City.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He wasn't out of shape etc then though, maybe him sticking at Cardiff instead of going to Celtic would have made him a better player? He's been overtaken by Jazz Richards for Wales too, which would have been unthinkable when he left City.

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I think all those fried mars bars finally got to him :hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He wasn't out of shape etc then though, maybe him sticking at Cardiff instead of going to Celtic would have made him a better player? He's been overtaken by Jazz Richards for Wales too, which would have been unthinkable when he left City.

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I spoke to Matthews a little while after he left City & he told me that Dave Jones said that he wasn't wanted so he had no choice other than to leave. Maybe leaving Celtic was a mistake as I remember him being quoted in the press at the time as saying that he needed to play a higher standard of football to further his international ambitions - that has certainly backfired as he has gone backwards rather than improve his chances.

Matthews has the ability & as far as I can recall has never had a reputation as problematic so not quite sure what is happening with him across the bridge (it might be down to Lee Johnson as most of his players appear to have given up on him). I would be happy to see Matthews back here as I am pretty sure that whatever the issues are (if any) Warnock would sort them out in no time.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

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I'm not condoning Dave Jones' handling of a then, young Matthews (18?), however, perhaps he saw something in the player's character even way back then that was not good?

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This post from Newquay Red, did make laugh out aloud :hehe:



I well and truly despise this lazy, fat, uninterested piece of ****

I remember reading an interview where he said LJ helped him with his diet and he no longer drinks Coca Cola or something stupid like that. How can you be a grown man, a professional athlete who is PAID TO PLAY A SPORT and not know that? He is what is wrong with the game on so many levels, and I hope after this loan ends he slides down the pyramid where he belongs. You know something is wrong with the world when a man like Adam Matthews can be financially successful. What a waste of skin and organs, and I agree if he ever comes back to AG he will be booed with each touch until he comes off in the 60th when he has pulled his hamstring or wants KFC or it's way past his bedtime or something.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Definitely. In don't think he would have sounded out a player without reason.

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I think he was trying to give him a boot up the arse but it didn't have the intended effect.
After a bright start Matthews had started to get targeted by opposition teams and something needed to be done

Wasn't he the one supplying information to ThE FAnS LEadEr for the weekly UPdATeS?

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Originally Posted by Mr Soul '68

This post from Newquay Red, did make laugh out aloud :hehe:



I well and truly despise this lazy, fat, uninterested piece of ****

I remember reading an interview where he said LJ helped him with his diet and he no longer drinks Coca Cola or something stupid like that. How can you be a grown man, a professional athlete who is PAID TO PLAY A SPORT and not know that? He is what is wrong with the game on so many levels, and I hope after this loan ends he slides down the pyramid where he belongs. You know something is wrong with the world when a man like Adam Matthews can be financially successful. What a waste of skin and organs, and I agree if he ever comes back to AG he will be booed with each touch until he comes off in the 60th when he has pulled his hamstring or wants KFC or it's way past his bedtime or something.

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Fair play - he's right though. :hehe::hehe:

The Adam Matthews scenario is one of the few faults I can lay at Jones' door

He was 19 when he was driven out by Jones and had been Apprentice of the Year. A manager shouldn't get rid of a young player for "attitude problems" (Which I can't remember existing), especially one with so much potential, a good manager should be able to help them through the problems

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Originally Posted by City123

The Adam Matthews scenario is one of the few faults I can lay at Jones' door

He was 19 when he was driven out by Jones and had been Apprentice of the Year. A manager shouldn't get rid of a young player for "attitude problems" (Which I can't remember existing), especially one with so much potential, a good manager should be able to help them through the problems

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The major issue is that at the time Jones simply could not pick Matthews in the team he was a liability, he wasn't better than McNaughton, and the games he was playing in he was costing the side goals.

In this situation, and within contract negotiations, the player wanting first team football, the player had to leave, mainly for the benefit of his development, he would have had McNaughton blocking his way for many a year.

That being said, the player hasn't developed, he played OK at Celtic, however he has virtually disappeared on the Wales scene, and now doesn't seem to fit in a poor Bristol side. At this moment in time you can hardly label it as a mistake by Jones.

The attached articles contain a lot of praise about his attitude on & off the pitch:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8567821.stm

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...-award-1929501

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Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez

The attached articles contain a lot of praise about his attitude on & off the pitch:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ty/8567821.stm

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/f...-award-1929501

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A lot can change in nearly 7 years.

I remember reading an article about manager styles and age of players.
It said that younger players in general need a more authoritarian manager, while older players (in general) flourish when given more personal responsibility.
I think that probably applies in many areas in life.
We know from other reports that Jones was not much of a disciplinarian. He got the best out of players like Bothroyd and koumas by giving them a degree of freedom.
I think he recognised that Matthews was struggling with this approach and attempted to react but when you're one way with the rest of the team but harsh on one guy it comes across as victimisation

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Originally Posted by qccfc

The major issue is that at the time Jones simply could not pick Matthews in the team he was a liability, he wasn't better than McNaughton, and the games he was playing in he was costing the side goals.

In this situation, and within contract negotiations, the player wanting first team football, the player had to leave, mainly for the benefit of his development, he would have had McNaughton blocking his way for many a year.

That being said, the player hasn't developed, he played OK at Celtic, however he has virtually disappeared on the Wales scene, and now doesn't seem to fit in a poor Bristol side. At this moment in time you can hardly label it as a mistake by Jones.

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Matthews left after the 2010/11 season. In the 11/12 season McNaughton played 42 games, the season after that 26, then 3, then 0. Hardly blocked for many a year

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Originally Posted by City123

Matthews left after the 2010/11 season. In the 11/12 season McNaughton played 42 games, the season after that 26, then 3, then 0. Hardly blocked for many a year

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Dave Jones started Matthew in 26 league games, since he returned to English football in 2015, he has only started 20. Dave Jones clearly gave him a chance, he didn't do enough to take it, he isn't doing enough at the moment to impress in a poor Bristol side.

Sometimes the player has to take responsibility.

Funny, but I cannot remember anyone saying Dave Jones was right to slag Matthews off after his own goal at Ipswich at the time - quite the opposite in fact. Matthews struggled at times after that though in the time he had left with us and his career has gone into a decline since he left Celtic - maybe he does have "attitude problems" now, but there was no hint of that which I'm aware of while he was at City.

So, Matthews' career has not gone too well since our manager gave him a public bollocking as a teenager for scoring an own goal, when prior to that, he was being hailed as one of Wales' best prospects following a series of very good performances when he broke into the City side at seventeen and yet now we have some on here saying that Matthews' subsequent struggles are proof that Dave Jones was right to do what he did - that seems really bizarre to me!

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a teenage footballer who has prospered as a result of his manager going out of his way to criticise him in public - I daresay it's happened to a few, but far, far more would react badly to such a thing - it was terrible man management by Dave Jones during that final season with us when, in my opinion, he undid some of the good things he had done during the previous five years.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Funny, but I cannot remember anyone saying Dave Jones was right to slag Matthews off after his own goal at Ipswich at the time - quite the opposite in fact. Matthews struggled at times after that though in the time he had left with us and his career has gone into a decline since he left Celtic - maybe he does have "attitude problems" now, but there was no hint of that which I'm aware of while he was at City.

So, Matthews' career has not gone too well since our manager gave him a public bollocking as a teenager for scoring an own goal, when prior to that, he was being hailed as one of Wales' best prospects following a series of very good performances when he broke into the City side at seventeen and yet now we have some on here saying that Matthews' subsequent struggles are proof that Dave Jones was right to do what he did - that seems really bizarre to me!

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a teenage footballer who has prospered as a result of his manager going out of his way to criticise him in public - I daresay it's happened to a few, but far, far more would react badly to such a thing - it was terrible man management by Dave Jones during that final season with us when, in my opinion, he undid some of the good things he had done during the previous five years.

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I think saying Jones was right, is equally as foolish as holding a black mark over the former managers head when he left.

We do not know what happened in contract negotiations, we may feel like giving a young player a bollocking was wrong, however you are going to get them in football, and maybe the manager was after a reaction, maybe one the young player couldn't produce.

Sometimes perhaps we overate a local prospect, maybe these players are not as good as we think. By the time Jones was treating Matthews badly everyone knew his Cardiff career was over and it was thought it simply wasn't worth wasting more time on him.

Looking back Jones started and gave more chances to young players than any manager that came after him, he also gave more chances to players at this level than some of these managers who managed the players after him. So he was not terrible with youth.

Sounds like another Darcy in the making.

I thought he let Gunter go too early, and Ramsey, don't think he had much time for young talent, he liked his seasoned older ex premiership players on loan.

When DJ signed for us , a friend and Wolves fan said as much , about his reluctance with youth.

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Originally Posted by qccfc

I think saying Jones was right, is equally as foolish as holding a black mark over the former managers head when he left.

We do not know what happened in contract negotiations, we may feel like giving a young player a bollocking was wrong, however you are going to get them in football, and maybe the manager was after a reaction, maybe one the young player couldn't produce.

Sometimes perhaps we overate a local prospect, maybe these players are not as good as we think. By the time Jones was treating Matthews badly everyone knew his Cardiff career was over and it was thought it simply wasn't worth wasting more time on him.

Looking back Jones started and gave more chances to young players than any manager that came after him, he also gave more chances to players at this level than some of these managers who managed the players after him. So he was not terrible with youth.

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There's a female netball player that won't disagree I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Fair play - he's right though. :hehe::hehe:

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Winning the 100m on chicken nuggets sort of right? It's not like he's smoking in the showers either, drinking coke is far from the worst health move a professional sportsperson has made. He probably tried to show that he was taking his career seriously and it backfired because he came across as slightly unintelligent.

There are millions of young footballers who don't make it. I hope Adam is young enough to turn things around and make good on his promise.

Didn't he head an own goal whilst playing for us,DJ wasn't impressed

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Originally Posted by Steve R

There's a female netball player that won't disagree I'm sure.

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I was trying to remember what DJ actually said after the Ipswich own goal. Here it is;

Jones said: "When you come to the end of your career it's something you'll be remembered for. What's in his head? I haven't got a clue."
The Bluebirds boss now wants the youngster to show some character and bounce back from what he also described as a 'moment of madness' while admitting the highly-rated defender was not the only player at fault in the build-up to the goal.

Jones said: "Don't load the gun and fire it for me; I can fire it myself. But some of them fired their own gun and that's not what we're about.

"He [Matthews] had a great opportunity and if he doesn't show a lot of character it'll be a long time before he gets it again."

"I haven't got time to mollycoddle people. It's a man's world now and it's a tough old world and you've got to pick yourself up.
"It's easy to blame the youngster for the goal. Yeah, he's given it away, but we lost it in midfield, we allowed pressure to come on to us, we made some silly decisions and there was a build-up to that.
"But you can't legislate for where Adam's headed it and I've done that myself in my career and it's about how you bounce back.
"And he's got to bounce back quick otherwise he'll find himself dumped in the reserves and not playing football.
"He had a great opportunity and if he doesn't show a lot of character it'll be a long time before he gets it again.
"And I want to see him come in Monday morning and have a brightness about him and be ready because it's gone.
"You can't do anything about it except learn from it and get stronger and we'll work on that. We know we've got a talent, but there's other parts of the game as well.
"But he's got to be stronger and better than that and the second goal as well, he's been shoved off it too easy and it's welcome to the real world.
"But he's got a talent and he's got to start showing that and these are the games that you're thrown into and you've got to be 'I want to keep that shirt' and there weren't too many out there in the second-half that said to me 'okay, we've got players coming back, we're going to do it right'.

Jones was (is?!) a sour old fecker ;)

If the hapless Brizzle think Matthews is poor, he's probably/undoubtedly very decent.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Funny, but I cannot remember anyone saying Dave Jones was right to slag Matthews off after his own goal at Ipswich at the time - quite the opposite in fact. Matthews struggled at times after that though in the time he had left with us and his career has gone into a decline since he left Celtic - maybe he does have "attitude problems" now, but there was no hint of that which I'm aware of while he was at City.

So, Matthews' career has not gone too well since our manager gave him a public bollocking as a teenager for scoring an own goal, when prior to that, he was being hailed as one of Wales' best prospects following a series of very good performances when he broke into the City side at seventeen and yet now we have some on here saying that Matthews' subsequent struggles are proof that Dave Jones was right to do what he did - that seems really bizarre to me!

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of a teenage footballer who has prospered as a result of his manager going out of his way to criticise him in public - I daresay it's happened to a few, but far, far more would react badly to such a thing - it was terrible man management by Dave Jones during that final season with us when, in my opinion, he undid some of the good things he had done during the previous five years.

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I think the criticism of the OG was wrong but if I remember DJ dug him out a few times for other things, as Lee Johnson has for his diet and addiction to fizzy drinks. Maybe this was an issue at Cardiff and they couldn't shake it either? He's fat now (for a professional footballer, a lot of us would like to be as "unfit" as him), and he has missed training sessions at Bristol City. Something's up with him, it might be down to Lee Johnson but it still doesn't reflect well on him for me.

Latest photos, he does not look fat to me

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ad...w=1920&bih=919

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I was trying to remember what DJ actually said after the Ipswich own goal. Here it is;

Jones said: "When you come to the end of your career it's something you'll be remembered for. What's in his head? I haven't got a clue."
The Bluebirds boss now wants the youngster to show some character and bounce back from what he also described as a 'moment of madness' while admitting the highly-rated defender was not the only player at fault in the build-up to the goal.

Jones said: "Don't load the gun and fire it for me; I can fire it myself. But some of them fired their own gun and that's not what we're about.

"He [Matthews] had a great opportunity and if he doesn't show a lot of character it'll be a long time before he gets it again."

"I haven't got time to mollycoddle people. It's a man's world now and it's a tough old world and you've got to pick yourself up.
"It's easy to blame the youngster for the goal. Yeah, he's given it away, but we lost it in midfield, we allowed pressure to come on to us, we made some silly decisions and there was a build-up to that.
"But you can't legislate for where Adam's headed it and I've done that myself in my career and it's about how you bounce back.
"And he's got to bounce back quick otherwise he'll find himself dumped in the reserves and not playing football.
"He had a great opportunity and if he doesn't show a lot of character it'll be a long time before he gets it again.
"And I want to see him come in Monday morning and have a brightness about him and be ready because it's gone.
"You can't do anything about it except learn from it and get stronger and we'll work on that. We know we've got a talent, but there's other parts of the game as well.
"But he's got to be stronger and better than that and the second goal as well, he's been shoved off it too easy and it's welcome to the real world.
"But he's got a talent and he's got to start showing that and these are the games that you're thrown into and you've got to be 'I want to keep that shirt' and there weren't too many out there in the second-half that said to me 'okay, we've got players coming back, we're going to do it right'.

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That isn't as bad as I remembered.

He talks about Matthews needing to prove his character after this setback, but I guess he never did.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

That isn't as bad as I remembered.

He talks about Matthews needing to prove his character after this setback, but I guess he never did.

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It doesn't look that bad at all reading it back, it certainly could have been a lot worse. I had a lot worse said about me in my teens.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

That isn't as bad as I remembered.

He talks about Matthews needing to prove his character after this setback, but I guess he never did.

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Everyone always over reacted to things DJ said because he wasn't an arse licker to the usual suspects.

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Originally Posted by Igovernor

Latest photos, he does not look fat to me

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ad...w=1920&bih=919

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He's hardly looking slim, he's podgy. I didn't say he was morbidly obese but he's not as trim as a Championship fullback should be.

Also, Johnson has repeatedly dug him out for being fat. Regardless whether he's a good manager or not, it isn't a glowing endorsement of Matthews.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

He's hardly looking slim, he's podgy. I didn't say he was morbidly obese but he's not as trim as a Championship fullback should be.

Also, Johnson has repeatedly dug him out for being fat. Regardless whether he's a good manager or not, it isn't a glowing endorsement of Matthews.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Everyone always over reacted to things DJ said because he wasn't an arse licker to the usual suspects.

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It's easy to forget now how vocal the jones-out brigade used to be.
Seems bizarre now. It was a simpler time.

He got out jumped by Nathan dyer for a header. Enough said for me.