The new phone/driving laws

This was posted on Twitter by the Surrey Police to clear up questions about the new law:

http://i.imgur.com/aibGHcH.jpg

DRIVERS: Avoid getting prosecuted for using your phone while driving. Simply pop your mobile inside a large shell and the police will think you are listening to the sea.

Couldn't we simply create software whereby mobile phones are inoperable whilst moving above the running pace of a human? If we use Usain Bolt's pace then that should rule everyone else out.

They already track where we are / how many steps taken la de da de da

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Originally Posted by Arfur Europe

Couldn't we simply create software whereby mobile phones are inoperable whilst moving above the running pace of a human? If we use Usain Bolt's pace then that should rule everyone else out.

They already track where we are / how many steps taken la de da de da

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At first I thought hat is such a good idea, but then passengers wouldn't be able to use their phone either.
Though thinking about it again, is that such a problem?

Of course a cynical view might be that zero money would be raised and alternative ways to penalise the driver would need to be sought.

You're still allowed to take calls/play music while driving, as long as it's in a holder.

It's all a load of bollox. They could bring back hanging as a punishment for using your phone while driving, but if there are no coppers on the road to catch anyone, people will carry on regardless.

I was behind a car on the M4 this afternoon that was all over the place, going over the lines a few times before suddenly swerving back into lane. When I overtook the car there was a young woman driving, she had a couple of kids in baby seats in her car, and was fiddling with her phone, sending a text or whatever.

And I'm sure we've all seen this, I do on a daily basis. But you just can't do anything about it.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

You're still allowed to take calls/play music while driving, as long as it's in a holder.

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They can still get you on "due care and attention". Not that they will.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

You're still allowed to take calls/play music while driving, as long as it's in a holder.

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Assuming you are replying to my post Colonel, I was replying to Arfur's suggestion that a phone could be disabled if travelling above running pace, even a passenger's phone would be disabled.

By the way thank you for your attachment explaining that it is illegal to use phone sat nav without a holder which I have (perhaps naively) done on a few occasions with it just sat on the dashboard.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

It's all a load of bollox. They could bring back hanging as a punishment for using your phone while driving, but if there are no coppers on the road to catch anyone, people will carry on regardless.

I was behind a car on the M4 this afternoon that was all over the place, going over the lines a few times before suddenly swerving back into lane. When I overtook the car there was a young woman driving, she had a couple of kids in baby seats in her car, and was fiddling with her phone, sending a text or whatever.

And I'm sure we've all seen this, I do on a daily basis. But you just can't do anything about it.

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Radio 5 Live today was full of police people leaving as morale was at an all time low due to massive cuts since 2010 and everybody was stuck behind desks filling in paperwork. The revloutionist in me screams 'Yay'. Then I think, oh ****.

'Traffic Safe' cameras REPLACED traffic police. FACT. These revenue raising robots will not spot mobile phone use, drink / drug drivers, middle lane hoggers, dangerous driver etc, yet we've seemingly accepted them.

You really all should listen to 5 live from earlier today to realise what all these cuts have done to our public services. We seem to be just about ok right now. But I see problems everywhere shortly.

If everybody walked out then we possibly get the services we all need?

That screed stated that the penalty will double when a driver is caught. However, I would suggest that the penalty will be increased at a point in time and, possibly, before anyone is caught flouting the law.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

It's all a load of bollox. They could bring back hanging as a punishment for using your phone while driving, but if there are no coppers on the road to catch anyone, people will carry on regardless.

I was behind a car on the M4 this afternoon that was all over the place, going over the lines a few times before suddenly swerving back into lane. When I overtook the car there was a young woman driving, she had a couple of kids in baby seats in her car, and was fiddling with her phone, sending a text or whatever.

And I'm sure we've all seen this, I do on a daily basis. But you just can't do anything about it.

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Sure you can, take a photo of her with your mobile phone and send it to the ob

Then he would be breaking the law taking a photo while driving :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Igovernor

Then he would be breaking the law taking a photo while driving :hehe:

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First whoosh of the day.....

How come police can use radios (not the ones that take a cd and tune to radio 1 sort) whilst driving? If we all got them then we could still chat merrily away whilst driving around.

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Originally Posted by Igovernor

Then he would be breaking the law taking a photo while driving :hehe:

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Have a dash cam fitted with dual lens, that'll capture them when they're behind you.
I've had one fitted to capture the cretins who drive up you're arse.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

You're still allowed to take calls/play music while driving, as long as it's in a holder.

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Originally Posted by itkman

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:-)

Any day that contains some Noddy is a day improved.

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Originally Posted by Maccy Blue

How come police can use radios (not the ones that take a cd and tune to radio 1 sort) whilst driving? If we all got them then we could still chat merrily away whilst driving around.

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Don't do as I do, "do as I tell you" Init !!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Vimana.

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Any day that contains some Noddy is a day improved.

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Originally Posted by Barry Shitpeas

It's all a load of bollox. They could bring back hanging as a punishment for using your phone while driving, but if there are no coppers on the road to catch anyone, people will carry on regardless.

I was behind a car on the M4 this afternoon that was all over the place, going over the lines a few times before suddenly swerving back into lane. When I overtook the car there was a young woman driving, she had a couple of kids in baby seats in her car, and was fiddling with her phone, sending a text or whatever.

And I'm sure we've all seen this, I do on a daily basis. But you just can't do anything about it.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-badly.html

Ringing I think would be ok. As others have said police have radios.

It is the texting that takes up far too much of your attention. All eyes off the road and one hand on the wheel. Things like changing song on spotify as well.

Obviously they can't split them.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-badly.html

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Do we get a cut of the fine?

It would be interesting to see what would happen if someone nicked in this way, made a claim against the *grass* photographer for a breach of the data protection act.

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Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef

Have a dash cam fitted with dual lens, that'll capture them when they're behind you.
I've had one fitted to capture the cretins who drive up you're arse.

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I have had one fitted for the wankers blocking the motorways in the outside and middle lanes. Tailgating is too good for those cretins.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

I have had one fitted for the wankers blocking the motorways in the outside and middle lanes. Tailgating is too good for those cretins.

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The nation's motorway driving - I'll score 2/10.

On the M4 on Sunday, an absolute nightmare as the left hand lane became redundant with people sticking to the middle lane. I stick to 70 mph, and stick to the left hand lane unless I need to overtake. This often requires me to move two lanes to overtake (I refuse to undertake, although it is tempting), and two lanes to go back in.

The funny thing is, when the middle lane becomes clear, these same clowns move up to 80 mph and overtake me. Now, if they like doing that speed, why not move to the right lane to overtake the people in the middle lane slowing them down? Then you'll see the same car stuck in the middle lane again doing 65 as the middle lane gets congested. Again, requires two lane changes to overtake and two to get back to the CORRECT lane.

Someone on a forum I visited once argued that the left lane was for speeds up to 60mph, middle for 60-70 and right for 70+. Clueless. Most accidents happen during lane changes, and these clowns treble my lane changing requirements on long drives. They also, effectively, reduce the motorway to two lanes. I have flashed people (naughty me, but it gets frustrating) to move into the left lane when that is clear - but they are too petrified to do it. Where is their logic - if we all drove like that, you'd only need one lane!

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Originally Posted by TH63

Do we get a cut of the fine?

It would be interesting to see what would happen if someone nicked in this way, made a claim against the *grass* photographer for a breach of the data protection act.

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I don't agree with this, the police time would be taken up by spurious complaints. I have a friend on Facebook who is constantly posting up "bad" driving, but the pictures/video show that his complaint is nonsense. He'd be in the station 3 times a day if this were allowed.

Driving today

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Originally Posted by Kris

The nation's motorway driving - I'll score 2/10.

On the M4 on Sunday, an absolute nightmare as the left hand lane became redundant with people sticking to the middle lane. I stick to 70 mph, and stick to the left hand lane unless I need to overtake. This often requires me to move two lanes to overtake (I refuse to undertake, although it is tempting), and two lanes to go back in.

The funny thing is, when the middle lane becomes clear, these same clowns move up to 80 mph and overtake me. Now, if they like doing that speed, why not move to the right lane to overtake the people in the middle lane slowing them down? Then you'll see the same car stuck in the middle lane again doing 65 as the middle lane gets congested. Again, requires two lane changes to overtake and two to get back to the CORRECT lane.

Someone on a forum I visited once argued that the left lane was for speeds up to 60mph, middle for 60-70 and right for 70+. Clueless. Most accidents happen during lane changes, and these clowns treble my lane changing requirements on long drives. They also, effectively, reduce the motorway to two lanes. I have flashed people (naughty me, but it gets frustrating) to move into the left lane when that is clear - but they are too petrified to do it. Where is their logic - if we all drove like that, you'd only need one lane!

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Driving today is an absolute nightmare, so many cretins on every road, motorway, A road, and even side roads, they don't give a f**k for anyone else.
Courtesy is a thing of the past.

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Originally Posted by Kris

I don't agree with this, the police time would be taken up by spurious complaints. I have a friend on Facebook who is constantly posting up "bad" driving, but the pictures/video show that his complaint is nonsense. He'd be in the station 3 times a day if this were allowed.

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Yeah right.

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Originally Posted by Kris

The nation's motorway driving - I'll score 2/10.

On the M4 on Sunday, an absolute nightmare as the left hand lane became redundant with people sticking to the middle lane. I stick to 70 mph, and stick to the left hand lane unless I need to overtake. This often requires me to move two lanes to overtake (I refuse to undertake, although it is tempting), and two lanes to go back in.

The funny thing is, when the middle lane becomes clear, these same clowns move up to 80 mph and overtake me. Now, if they like doing that speed, why not move to the right lane to overtake the people in the middle lane slowing them down? Then you'll see the same car stuck in the middle lane again doing 65 as the middle lane gets congested. Again, requires two lane changes to overtake and two to get back to the CORRECT lane.

Someone on a forum I visited once argued that the left lane was for speeds up to 60mph, middle for 60-70 and right for 70+. Clueless. Most accidents happen during lane changes, and these clowns treble my lane changing requirements on long drives. They also, effectively, reduce the motorway to two lanes. I have flashed people (naughty me, but it gets frustrating) to move into the left lane when that is clear - but they are too petrified to do it. Where is their logic - if we all drove like that, you'd only need one lane!

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I may be wrong (memory not what it once was) but wasn't that in the Highway Code back in the 1960s or early 1970s. I have a vague recollection of seeing that type of lane speed limit in some official information (I think the Highway Code but could have been a public information film) when I was learning to drive - 40 years ago. It isn't what the code says now - but at the time there was a shared 'understanding' by police and drivers that 70 mph was the top speed allowed and that was only for overtaking.

If overtaking in the outside lane was supposed to be at no more than 70 mph then by definition drivers in the middle or inside lane should be going slower. Up to 50 mph for the inside lane, up to 60 mph for the middle and up to 70 mph for the outside lane - but that was at a time when many motorways were new and fairly empty and half the cars on the road would struggle to reach the speed limit going downhill with a following wind.

Then again, I could have imagined all of that.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I may be wrong (memory not what it once was) but wasn't that in the Highway Code back in the 1960s or early 1970s. I have a vague recollection of seeing that type of lane speed limit in some official information (I think the Highway Code but could have been a public information film) when I was learning to drive - 40 years ago. It isn't what the code says now - but at the time there was a shared 'understanding' by police and drivers that 70 mph was the top speed allowed and that was only for overtaking.

If overtaking in the outside lane was supposed to be at no more than 70 mph then by definition drivers in the middle or inside lane should be going slower. Up to 50 mph for the inside lane, up to 60 mph for the middle and up to 70 mph for the outside lane - but that was at a time when many motorways were new and fairly empty and half the cars on the road would struggle to reach the speed limit going downhill with a following wind.

Then again, I could have imagined all of that.

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you stick to the left unless you are overtaking and when you finish overtaking you move back to the left. that is it nothing else. how difficult is it???

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Originally Posted by kingbillyboy

you stick to the left unless you are overtaking and when you finish overtaking you move back to the left. that is it nothing else. how difficult is it???

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I know. I have read the Highway Code and follow it (most of the time).

How is your comment relevant to anything in my post? It isn't. It is as irrelevant as NewCo FC.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I know. I have read the Highway Code and follow it (most of the time).

How is your comment relevant to anything in my post? It isn't. It is as irrelevant as NewCo FC.

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oh yeah well why dont u drive normal like everyone else not hard is it ffs

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Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi

oh yeah well why dont u drive normal like everyone else not hard is it ffs

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I know. I have read the Highway Code and follow it (most of the time).

How is your comment relevant to anything in my post? It isn't. It is as irrelevant as NewCo FC.

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How is your comment relevant to anything regarding the thread title?
The thread is about using a mobile while driving so your story about driving like Miss daisy is not relevant.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

How is your comment relevant to anything regarding the thread title?
The thread is about using a mobile while driving so your story about driving like Miss daisy is not relevant.

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Because I was responding to the bit in Kris's post that I highlighted. About recommended speeds for different motorway lanes. My recollection from a long time ago is that this was similar to guidance/advice in the Highway Code at the time (but not now) or possibly in a public information film. kingbillyboy replied to my post, not to the thread, but ignored the content and context.

I hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Because I was responding to the bit in Kris's post that I highlighted. About recommended speeds for different motorway lanes. My recollection from a long time ago is that this was similar to guidance/advice in the Highway Code at the time (but not now) or possibly in a public information film. kingbillyboy replied to my post, not to the thread, but ignored the content and context.

I hope this helps.

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You can't say Kingbilly was irrelevant when you were just as irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Tandy

You can't say Kingbilly was irrelevant when you were just as irrelevant.

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Really? I quoted Kris's post and highlighted the bit I was responding to whilst kingbillyboy quoted my post and then came out with a comment that was no response at all. If he'd just replied to the thread it would have been a fair comment - as a come-back on my post it wasn't.

Anyway, do you have any recollection of motorway lane speed guidance from the 1970s? Just to whet your appetite, I think Russell Slade might have been studying the Highway Code back then.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Really? I quoted Kris's post and highlighted the bit I was responding to whilst kingbillyboy quoted my post and then came out with a comment that was no response at all. If he'd just replied to the thread it would have been a fair comment - as a come-back on my post it wasn't.

Anyway, do you have any recollection of motorway lane speed guidance from the 1970s? Just to whet your appetite, I think Russell Slade might have been studying the Highway Code back then.

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I'm not interested in the speed guidance from the 70's

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Originally Posted by Tandy

I'm not interested in the speed guidance from the 70's

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THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM SON

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I know. I have read the Highway Code and follow it (most of the time).

How is your comment relevant to anything in my post? It isn't. It is as irrelevant as NewCo FC.

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i say waht i want when i want. stop harping on about newco shite you sound like one of those mental obsessed celtic fans

If someone is hogging the middle lane with nothing 200 yards in front or behind (apart from you) beep and flash them like feck until they get the message to get into the left lane. Thick kents.

It should be some sort of rule to have a quick 25-30 minute refresher test after a year or two for young drivers or those who are recently passed. The current test obviously doesn't allow learners on the motorway, and many kids I've spoken to don't have a clue why it's wrong to hog the middle lane. "I don't drive in the slow lane" is usually the answer.

Those seen consistently hogging the middle/outside lane (especially so called experienced drivers) should get fined immediately imo.