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Yes please and it cant come soon enough after Scotland do the right thing:thumbup: It's only the royal worshipping 'we won't manage' brigade standing in its way. ASAP please!!!!:-)
It's time for change and for Wales to release itself from Westminster for good
no
It'll happen and sooner than you dinosaurs think:thumbup: Newer generations won't put up with it anymoreQuote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Youngsters of today like england more and more. That is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerryJason
I've spent more time in england than north, west or east wales.
The only time I hear real anti english hatred is those sad old people that sit at the bar all day every day.
+ Wales would be bankrupt within a month of independence. But I doubt you'd care about that.
If we do become independent, the first thing we should do is drain the Tryweryn Valley and resurrect the town, firstly as a symbolic gesture of independence and secondly as a reminder for future generations of the sort of liberties that were taken against the people of our nation, the original, true Britons.
Cymru am byth!
Why is it a prerequisite to "hate" England to want independence from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Newer generations couldn't give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerryJason
Too busy with facebook and Xbox.
You're not wrong there. I feel like smashing all my lads gadgets to a trillion ****ing bitsQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
It is telling that supposedly we are being ruled by complete tyrants, then that flooded town is always dragged up.
Of travesties against the human race in the past 60-70 years that'll be around the bottom.
Presumably, England will be wealthier if Scotland and Wales become independent. Not that the latter will happen.
It doesn't bother me in the slightest.Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
Probably because mine have both moved out.
Genuine question (I've googled this but can't find anything) - how is Iceland independent and seemingly managing okay? Is it just about fish?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_IcelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
We haven't got one decent politician in Wales so who would govern us if we did have independence, not that we would ever vote in favour of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerryJason
I hope Scotland go as soon as possible
Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
As one of the sad old people you pontificate about NO to Independence.I suppose I should ignore generalisations like yours which are so often devoid of any credibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Here's Donald.
When did I said all old people have that opinion?.Quote:
Originally Posted by GRUMPYS DEN
It is a fact older generations carry the myth than England are against Wales more than any.
Maybe when they stop ingraining it in their childrens heads we can move on and improve.
Good question. Think their government took back control of their central banking system? I might be wrong. Sometimes the public narrative on who controls the banks is contrary to the real situation. If you wiki the Bank of England, apparently the UK government took back control in the 50's from private ownership (total bollox). The BoE as well as the Federal Reserve in the US is in private hands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Unfortunately Wales doesn't have the resources to go solo as Scotland has. We've been kept very dependant on the Barnett formula which is why I never give stories of massive renewable energy projects much credence. Even if infrastructure projects like that happened, the investment would be from outside Wales so the only we could hope for would be lots of jobs, not the beginnings of a self sufficient economic systems.
No its not, younger people today are more nationalist than the older generationsQuote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
The idea of money has always been used as a tool for enslavement, and after all it is only an idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Another claim that you cannot substantiate-fact? Who says? Your opinion maybe and maybe it is!! Fact it is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
The English will never allow it. They need Wales and its industrial might, not to mention our water. Also, the capital should be moved to somewhere like Carmarthen, or Blaenau Ffestiniog. Cardiff is way too cosmopolitan..
Industrial might ?Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
The benefit of the 'industrial might' is probably outweighed by the overall subsidy received by Wales.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
it would give cardiff a chance to win a few trophies for a change :hehe:, cardiff and swansea vying for the title every season with the might of wrexham and newport closing in if they slipped up :hehe: .
not to mention the possibility of european football :thumbup: , what a money spinner for tan, he would be creaming himself at the prospect of barcelona or bayern turning up at the ccs, they might actually get to sell some tickets instead of giving them away :hehe: the only downside would be the following fixture would probably be a trip to carnmarthen or bangor on a wet tuesday night. :hehe:
Nothing to stop us becoming the Singapore of the West. They had zero national resources, not even water!Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
10th out of 12 of UK regions for income generated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Subsidised to the tune of £8 billion per annum by English government.
Fingers crossed the Scots don't choke again if they get a second chance at independence. Could be very lucrative for us
Wales will be bankrupt within a month of leaving the EU, but I doubt you'd care about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
So it's OK because other countries have committed worse atrocities elsewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Singapore is a major hub in SE Asia and some sources quote that 40% of the world's trade passes through the Malacca Strait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It is hugely important in the shipping world. Like Barry I suppose.
Wales becoming independent would be even dafter than Scotland going the same way and that's saying something. Of course the economically illiterate might think it's a good idea but Wales has no currency, no significant industry (with respect to an earlier poster) and no banking system. And forget about joining the EU - that will never happen as the Welsh economy is a basket case wholly reliant on subsidies from England and will never ever meet the EU joining criteria. As for water it is my understanding that those reservoirs that service England were built with English money such as those in the Elan Valley which were built by the City of Birmingham.
Yeah right, Wales is one of the biggest drains on the UK economy. Maybe if Wales became independent we can join the EU and be a drain that instead. Oh hang on, the geniuses in our country voted out so that ain't gunna happen
I don't think it is a viable proposition unfortunately. I doubt that the OP was really looking to raise serious debate.
I did a calculation with the Brexit vote a little while ago, not that the issue is important for the information I was looking for. I discovered that if England had voted 59% for one outcome, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland could all have voted 100% for the other outcome and lost. That means that, in a referendum, if England wants something enough, there's nothing the rest of us can do.
I also remember Feedback mentioning once that if you combined the seats won in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, they have never made any difference to the result in a general election.
Democracy.
Lets hope we do not have to wait as long as the decision for the M4 relief road.Quote:
Originally Posted by PerryJason
So should areas of the UK with small populations have disproportionately weighted votes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
An independent Wales?
No thanks!
We could make a bigger deal of our history and heritage and become a tourist destination, that might generate a decent income. There are more castles per square mile in Wales than anywhere in Western Europe.
Should each country have equal say in what is supposed to be a union?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie