Is it really an embarrassing u-turn, or is it refreshing to see a politician admit he's made a mistake, and put it right?
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Is it really an embarrassing u-turn, or is it refreshing to see a politician admit he's made a mistake, and put it right?
Its an embarrassing Uturn. They broke a manifesto pledge and the right wing rags went after him so he meekly backtracked. He tried to ride it out but the manifesto made crystal clear they would not hike NI taxation. A complete shambles.
Embarrassing U turn.
Embarrassing U Turn. By a party who thought they were in a position to do what they liked, but hadn't counted on the ragtop newspapers turning on them, and a potential backlash from their white van man/woman voter base.
The opposition should have ripped him and the Tories apart at PMQ's today, feel it didn't achieve that , in fact they bleated on in a way , where they were telling a small child off , then moved onto other subject a matter that didn't land any killer punches,lost opportunity ??.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7631221.html
Surely so.
But lost opportunity for what exactly though?
Embarrassing.
Not a great prelude to the Brexit negotiations showing signs of weakness (wrong forum btw)
Maybe, or maybe that people know that the u-turn was embarrassing enough so better to look at other things?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I think it's refreshing that a politician has listened & acted upon the feedback. Admitting that you are wrong can be a difficult thing to do so credit to Hammond for taking the action he has
Its got nothing to do with listening. The hard right press control this Government. They say jump and May and Co jump.Lets not give credit where none is due.
This and there comes a point where competence to do the job must be questioned. How many u-turns? How expensive is all this time they waste coming up with policies that end up in the bin 2 weeks later? PIP changes, Forced Academisation, Tax Credits, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Like most political parties there is likely to be some outside influence but to say that they are controlled by the hard right press is complete & utter nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Hammond should be criticised for going back on an election pledge (or at least that it was so heavily used against labour and did not come with sufficient explanation) but a Tory recognising that tax rises may be a necessary part of the solution (rather than 3 more years of cuts) should be applauded. He may have done it wrong but it's a conversation worth having.
Socialists now celebrating that less money will be going to social care!!!!.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
It was not a massive amount anyway a drop in the ocean:thumbup:to what the nhs needs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
No its not. Its tulical of ghe right wingers on here that when the Tories **** up you haven't got the balls to admit it.
I have not criticised the policy. I have criticised the fact (and it is a fact) that they have broken a manifesto pledge. They have then tried to wriggle out of saying they were in breach of their manifesto and the likes of you have tried to argue there was no such breach.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
You would be thd first to have a go if a Labour Chancellor had acted in such a way so why not quit your bleating.
[QUOTE=Pearcey3;4726889]No its not. Its typical of the right wingers on here that when the Tories **** up you haven't got the balls to admit it.
Odd you should say that as I'd welcome an increase in taxation or NI to help our underfunded public services. I appreciate many wouldn't, but if we want good schools, policing and healthcare it needs paying for, especially if we're not interested in going after the multinational conglomerates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Eric likes this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
[QUOTE=Pearcey3;4726889]No its not. Its typical of right wingers like you not to admit the complete **** up of this budget.
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Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez
No one is celebrating that. What a pathetic thing to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
[QUOTE=Pearcey3;4726900]Fair play it's ill-informed posts like this which remind me why I try to stay away from political threads on here. For info, just because someone has a different opinion than you does not automatically mean that they are a right winger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
:thumbup:
Or maybe saying that the self-employed aren't the group who can easily afford more tax?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Can you imagine what the media reaction would be if a left wing party reversed a manifesto pledge on the countries finances, faced a backlash and reversed again within a week? "Clueless" and "Can't be trusted" would be two likely headlines.
Did I not hear Labour Mp's laughing their nuggets off when the announcement was being made in the house with the speaker having to demand order?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
It's almost as pathetic as a MB poster announcing retirement like a 5 year old, only to return 10 mins later :-)
Do you consider Labour MPs as all socialists?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
No, the likes of Kinnock and his wife etc, but the majority YesQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
[QUOTE=Alfonso Perez;4726906]Ok. I don't know your politics but your defense of his action is not credible. He has no support from within his own party and it was made clear to him the policy was a non starter. He had no choice but to Uturn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Is this the first time you watched footage from the HOC? It is constant childish shit from all sides.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
CCMB champagne socialists own goal :hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
No irony. Hammond has committed to the social care funding. He had better stick to his promises or he will take another caning. Perhaps he can find the money by taking away the money May wants to waste on building grammar schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
Silly me. There was me thinking it was a Tory cabinet own goal :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Thanks for pointing out the mistake! :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
(PS I borrowed some smilies from chris :thumbup: :hehe:)
Of course if a Labour Chancellor had to do a humiliating Uturn the Tory opposition would just sit there and approve of such refreshing behaviour. The hypocrisy on here is laughable.
I know Jon. They will try and Blame Corbyn if they can. Or is it Blair?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
[QUOTE=Pearcey3;4726921]When it comes to politics I think that there are far too many people who think that their opinion is far more important/credible than others. At the end of the day it is about opinions & if we all thought the same way the world would be a very boring place. You think that Hammond had no choice & I want to give him some credit for changing his mind, in the grand scheme of things it's not something to get really excited about!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez
[QUOTE=Alfonso Perez;4726940]OK. If thats your genuinely held belief.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearcey3
Are you convinced that was what actually happened?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfonso Perez
Where did you glean that - big poster on the side of a bus ? again .. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nelsonca61
Ah, the old 2-party illusion of choice trick is still going strong :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Corbyn's performance at Question Time was predictably feeble, but how some can view a complete cave in by the Chancellor and Prime Minister as anything other than embarrassing for the Government is beyond me. Of course, there are those who turn things on their head and so it becomes another opportunity to blame the Labour Party, but, forget whether the policy was right or wrong, it was craven and cowardly for May and Hammond to collapse like they did and, by any normal political standards, they should really be on the defensive now because of their weakness.