On **** they thought May was the clear winner of last night's debates :hehe:
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On **** they thought May was the clear winner of last night's debates :hehe:
It is beginning to look like we have two bad choices.
If you watched last night, how did Corbyn come off badly?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
I like him but I am not voting for a socialist during the brexit negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Nothing in his manifesto is beneficial for business unless you are a start up.
Maybe he'd be good for us on a global scale but I highly doubt it.
He'd be good for the workers no doubt. But then bad for business prospects long term, thereby being bad for workers.
Brexit was supposedly an "insular vote". That is exactly what a vote for Corbyn is. In regard to business anyway.
But!. If he would fight for free trade with the EU then maybe that'd offset the huge tax rises elsewhere.
May will not be getting my vote by the way.
Didn't see it but will have a gander via Catch-up.
I know what will happen though - the Tories will be woefully short on policies and costings, but full of personal attacks and smears on Corbyn, as has been the case throughout their campaign.
The one policy they did bang on about, they got absolutely slaughtered by every news media outlet (Dementia Tax). Fortunately for May, campaigning was postponed altogether that night after the horrific events in Manchester.
I don't understand why Corbyn didn't go on the big debate with the other leaders. What an opportunity to rub Mays nose in it and say "look, this is how arrogant she is".
If Labour pull off a miracle and win, will that mean Diane Abbot getting a cabinet post?
Perish the thought.
(And that IS the correct way to spell "Labour" you wankee yankee spellchecker!)
Corbyn cares about what happens in this country, May has flip flopped and has shown herself to be a pure careerist. She hasn't costed her manifesto because it won't work, and her shouting and rambling won't work. She would be a disaster in terms of Brexit, unless you want us out full stop, she will be bad for business because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Also, as he said, corporation tax is would still be lower than it was in 2010. People are dying, the NHS is in crisis, the police etc are having numbers slashed, there is only one solution, and that involves money.
The other option is to have a cabinet with Boris and Amber Rudd in it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
OK, so I have worked for the same company for 7 years. During that time, they have posted increased profits, but are paying less in tax than they were 7 years ago. Also, during that time, we have had just one pay rise (2014) and that was of 1.5%. The company has reduced it's workforce by 5% in that time too. The top guy has seen his wage rise IN REAL TERMS (i.e. after inflation) by 40%.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Maybe, after 7 years, my employer should start spreading the profits they are making to the people who are generating those profits.
Theresa May will make sure my company pays less taxes for 5 years, it's not going to help my family much though - especially if she raises VAT.
If May wins, does that mean Dr Fox can continue to go to places like Saudi Arabia and The Philippines and claim we have "shared principals and values"?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobh
Boris Johnson is the foreign secretaryQuote:
Originally Posted by bobh
I can understand it, if corbyn was there but may wasn't he would be a target for all the other leaders and would be facing attacks from all sides. Most of the other parties are as much if not more in competition with labour as they are with the Tories. If anything may has done corbyn a favour by giving him an easy out.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
No he's not he's British.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Maybe, or maybe the minor parties have more to gain by making the Tories look bad. They've been in power for seven years so I'd imagine the minors would love the open goal of making their point without rebuttal on the biggest stage they'll get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I can see your side but the PR that Labour could have gained would outweigh it in my opinion.
Both parties are talking about raising the minimum wage so I guess that'll help a lot of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris
Maybe it is the case in your company but the workers don't generate profit. Not where I work. If this set of workers including myself starting moaning on a large scale we'd be gone. In come the next set of trained chimps to do it.
I think in my work the balance between owners/shareholders pay and worker pay/privileges is fine. Wage rises alongside inflation, every year apart from this year after brexit and the weak pound.
Is this company in the minority?. Or are all employers scumbags as Corbyn makes out.
As I said no doubt workers lives will improve short term.
But then:
https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/sta...65744954580992
A country currently in total melt down where you cannot even buy toilet paper.
Lauded by our potential leader.
There would be too much of a risk to vote for him I think. If brexit was a risk on a catastrophic scale then this is equal if not bigger.
Apparently, our strong and stable leader didn't utter those words once last night, but I think that only shows the pre programmed nature of the whole Conservative campaign. The fact that said campaign has had to be "relaunched" says so much about how a Government which can offer very little new or different has struggled in the last few weeks and now they are back to banging on about how only they can be trusted over Brexit and slagging Corbyn off whenever they can.
I read somewhere this morning that Corbyn and Labour are having a good campaign, but are they really? I think I've mentioned before on here that something I learned from being such a big fan of the West Wing was that it's no bad thing to go into a campaign or leader's debate with very low expectations about the man/woman in charge of your party because, unless they prove to be a total idiot, people will start thinking "you know, so and so isn't as bad as I thought they were" - I reckon that's happened with Labour and it's leader in the last few weeks.
During that same period, our strong and stable leader has been doing something similar but in reverse - I thought she was dull, uninspiring and robotic (again!) last night, but, by the end, I was thinking "that's probably as good as I've seen her since the election was called".
After the guy he is talking about died!Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
The statistic for Venezuela under chavez stand out when that tweet was made.
Access to education, access to sanitary facilities, doctors, level of literacy improved, transport, GDP Capita, employment, reduction of infant mortality rates...Certainly no utopia but i don't understand your point, still at least it wasn't 30 years ago and more recent comment from him.
He "quintupled the countries debt".Quote:
Originally Posted by OurManFlint II
Throwing money around thanks to a rise in oil prices.
He nationalised over 1000 companies. Companies which have since seen their productivity collapse.
I know very little about this bear in mind. So happy to be proven wrong :hehe:
Falklands, IRA, HamasQuote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Education? Healthcare? Social Care? Economy? Brexit?Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
This election is about more than Brexit. It's about the next 5 years. It's about a large mandate that allows May to change education to benefit the haves, to change privacy laws to allow newspapers to report how perverted crime suspects are, and to charge people for services that they have been paying for through their lives. If it's all about Brexit, then the stance taken by May, Fox and Davies means that we are either selecting a hard Brexit where we are not willing to negotiate, or a supposedly weak negotiator in Corbyn. I think I'd prefer to take my chances, knowing what the Tories are bringing. A deal for the corporations,Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
I may have misunderstood but the question appeared to me to be about where Corbyn bombed. He did well in some areas, not so well in others and quite terrible in relation to the points I referred to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
They don't seem particularly relevant to this election.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
I'd say terrorists and how you treat them is very relevant given events of the past week.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
What do people think he will do?Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
He might not bomb people as much but that doesn't appear to work very well anyway.
Given Corbyn's past regarding courting terrorists is at best iffy and MacDonald has floated the idea of disbanding MI5, you begin to question whether they have their finger on the pulse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Factor in Dianne Abbots police force budget measured in hundreds of thousands and you get the impression Labour don't really understand that the electorate do want security in these troubled times.
*MacDonnell
Security or a military response to Manchester?Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS
Mcdonnell and Corbyn have said and done some pretty ridiculous things. They probably thought they were being edgy at the time, life as a backbencher is boring. I just wish this campaign was being fought on policy and the viability of it.
Given security and terrorism is at the forefront of lots of voters minds, I would say this particular strand is very relevant. All Corbyn et al have to say is that they have hanged their opinions/stance in the past 30 years / the world is a different place etc etc but for whatever reason they prefer not to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Skynewsdesk tweeting that Jeremy is doing the TV debate tonight. It's a risk he has to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Didn't they send in the regime change people to screw everything up?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
You've unwittingly hit the nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by TISS