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Women's Euros.
Like watching women's football do you?
I like watching football.Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
Men's, women's, whatever.
You obviously have an issue with that.
Just asking
What exactly is your problem, sonny?Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
No problem with women's football. Not my cup of tea but each to their own.
I don't mind supporting England when it's the women which is weird
This board gets weirderQuote:
Originally Posted by Kitman
You think??Quote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
England under 19's European Champions
England under 20's. World Champions
England under 21's. European semis
England women. Euro champions (prediction)
I watched it, poor game but well done to England
We're Welsh though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
UmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
We play in their league though. Your telling me your not a little proud?
:hehe:
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Originally Posted by Rhiw-Blue
Only of the manager, who's Welsh :thunbup:
Classic casting.
Very little entertainment and won by the poorer of the two teams, but it was the sort of battling win any team who go on to win major international tournaments need somewhere along the line.
Watched about half an hour or so. Much like all women's football, rather bland and boring. As much as the BBC etc. try to big it up and give it equal billing in their sports news ["Millie Whats-her-name has just signed a new contract for Man City"], it has very little entertainment value, just novelty.
Agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
All this pc equal opportunities shit gets right on my tits.
The reason womens football gets little interest is because it's generally a bit shite.
Nothing to do with them being women, all about the quality of football on display. For the same reason there's not much demand for isthmian counties third division south on the telly.
If women are good at sport then people will show interest. It's why people like Serena Williams are superstar celebrities.
If the quality just isn't there then don't expect people to feign interest just because the participants have vaginas.
The irony is that the media pretending it's relevant is probably the most discriminatory thing they can do.
But people are showing interest every dutch game is a sell out.
The turn out yesterday was good by any competitions standards. And the football is much better than it used to be.
People are basing this idea that there is no interest on pretty much nothing. They don't know the viewing figures.
What else would channel 4 be showing?. Sex box or some other garbage. At least some youngsters will gain something from seeing women playing.
The sheer amount of mens football that is televised, the majority of which is turgid, is ridiculous now. How many games from last year on TV would you say were properly good?. The Manc derby was horrendous. 7 times out of 10 I would say the games are boring. If not more.
I don't mind coverage of this as womens sport is growing. But the amount of TV programmes on the BBC about being gay this week is OTT. Who cares like!.
This is true, I come on here several times a day despite the fact most people on here are cünts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
Agree that football - Premiership especially -is becoming increasingly boring. It's attack v defence, with 99% of the passes going nowhere, but as Lecter says, it's no better, probably worse, than 10th/11th tier mens' football. I actually prefer women's tennis to men's, and equally track events, but last night an awful lot of huffing and puffing, and what, one decent shot on goal all game ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
yeh but you must feel right a home thenQuote:
Originally Posted by itkman
It has to start somewhere though doesn't it? The more publicity the more people are interested and take part, more players and more money for better coaching and facilities and the quality will improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
It isn't boring because it's women it's boring because it's years behind the men's game in a lot of aspects. But tournements like this with increased viewership means it will improve. It will be good to remove the stigma of women doing certain sports at school etc too.
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Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Some people, not everything on tv is aimed at you remember. Eastenders and love island is on every night and I think that is absolute shite but I understand why it's on.
The audience figures on C4 peaked last night at 3m which makes it C4 biggest audience of the week. It also gave a boost to the show on after it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Ye that is basically what I said in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
Look at the schedules on BBC four and the two main ones this week. Constant programmes about being gay. A tv show called "Queer" is on basically every day.
I am contradicting myself here it looks like though, defending womens football then criticising this :hehe:
Something about programmes about peoples sexuality grinds though. I couldnt give a flying $%^& who you decide to shack up with or have intercourse with.
Far better programmes on BBC four than this load of meaningless baloney.
The BBC are marking the 50th anniversary of the sexual Offences Act 1967, which partially decriminalised homosexual acts that took place in private between two men over the age of 21. That is why the programmes are happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Aaaaaaah right.Quote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
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Originally Posted by itkman
Thanks for proving my point. :thunbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
I'd watch Women's football if it was the USA or Wales. In fact watching the USA women win championships is quite exciting. I have very little interest in the Euros though and I couldn't give a toss about England.
They are part time - The entire England women's squad cumulatively earn less in a year than Rooney earns in a week. Obviously the quality is pretty damn shocking in places.
But it's still football - the same reasons above don't stop me from watching and enjoying non league
So what if they are part time? Not good enough to play in leagues that are full time, the game is nowhere near being good enough to go fully professional.
Efforts made to promote it to the next level have historically been pitiful - the debacle of the newly created Man City team being parachuted into the top division at the expense of Doncaster Belles for example.
The best thing that could be done for women's football would be for it to be a fully summer league, avoiding any conflict with men's football - current season started in Feb so there was an overlap. It needs televising, not Channel 4 jumping on the bandwagon, not BBC showing the women's cup final as their token yearly coverage. Dare I say it, but moving to summer with a Sky deal to fill Skys football channel would generate interest and drive standards up.
We'll therein lies the rub not good enough to go professional, not paid well enough to afford the time to get good enough.
Professional football is so good it makes semi pro look ****ing shit
Maybe, but the point is the focus is on getting girls playing football. The real thing that would benefit women's football in the uk is focusing on growing the league rather than purely looking at participation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kitman
Participation is the key, if you look at the boys game you have millions playing it, clubs can pick up and discard huge numbers of boys a year, and simply keep the best ones. With girls its a hell of a smaller pool and you then have to work with the ability that you have. That obviously has a factor in quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
Boys are lucky in some respect, as in all villages there will be several sports clubs (cricket, rugby, football) of which they are able to fit into, off the back of that they form friendships and social bonds with the players of their own age that are in the same systems as them. For girls there may only be one football/rugby/cricket club in their entire region, never mind their village, so instead of it being something simply there for them they have to go out and seek it.
As a father with daughters, i applaud the rise in womens Rugby/Football/Cricket, simply to offer girls the opportunity to play sport, which as a boy was a given when i was growing up.
Even if squillions participated, if the infrastructure isn't there, nothing will change. England's play throughout the tournament, beating the Jocks aside has been effective yet generally pretty negative. Yes, Sampson takes credit for making the best of what he's got but technically, sides in the tournament are light years ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
Men's football has 92 league clubs, god knows how many non-league sides - I'm ignoring pub league sides, I'm talking the whole league/non-league hierarchy. Trying to throw that into place for women's football would cause chaos. What's needed is growth - and that growth has to come from the top level. That's why I'm talking about for example a Sky deal. The investment needs to be made to then further drive infrastructure improvements.
It's a chicken and egg situation. Public don't follow it domestically due to poor standard. Lack of funding available due to poor standard means not enough money to develop infrastructure to improve the standard. Granted, more women playing means theoretically the standard should improve... but there are so many things that feed into that - coaching levels, ability to fund professional sides etc. Any organic improvement in quality due to more women taking it up will be very slow progress indeed.
What Sky have done very well is make chicken sh*t look like chicken salad with regards to the Prem. Stoke-WBA would be built up as an event... that's the kind of backing women's football in the Uk really needs. Sell the game as being something special. Increase number of potential attendees by running league in summer only, avoid clashes with the men's game.
I cant see there being a sky deal, but i can see a tv deal in the offering, with it drawing C4 biggest viewing figures of the week its got to look like an attractive proposition to show international matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life
With the money floating around in the premier league it wouldn't hurt to filter it down into the womens game, as these women are fans, and the more girls they can get interested in the game, the more fans they will attract to them at a later date, and Womens football is only going to grow.
https://youtu.be/k5CH5eHNpTcQuote:
Originally Posted by Nick
womens footie used to be so much more entertaining :thumbup:
C4 can't deliver the TV coverage needed to push women's football towards even lower league levels though. They've not got the expertise in producing sporting events, not got the ability to promote as well as Sky do.Quote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
Where Sky would be the best fit is in the rebranding of the Sky Sports channels - so dedicated Prem channel along with a general football channel. Original content would certainly help fill up the channels, especially during summer. Only other channel I could see doing a good job would possibly be Eurosport.
Attaching the womens game to the Prem money as is, eh, I'd not agree. When the bubble inevitably bursts, funding will then fall as the Prem protects itself - see what they've done to FL clubs. We know womens football won't get the same big money mens football does, so should the mens deal plummet over the years you'd not expect any womens deal to be affected, certainly to the same degree.
Equally, I'm sure Prem teams will demand a quid pro quo. Those not in the WSL, not running womens teams will want a slice of the pie - they sure as hell won't want to have to bother promoting or anything ( see the Man City / Doncaster fiasco ).
The thing to remember mate is that professional women's football is pretty new as in all they have to concentrate on is training and the matches . Many women work a full time job and play football amongst some of the top teams. Could you imagine if Kenneth Zohore had to go and work a 37.5 week then fit the football around it! He wouldn't be half as good or skillful. Like the men's matches some are boring and some are brilliant. Some of the women's matches I've seen I've thought the women were at a higher level of skill than watching championship men's and they are quick! What you haven't got is the crowds and support in women's football. You haven't got the buzz of the chanting and thousands upon thousands of fans giving the match an edge! After watching that programme last week about women being banned from football for 50 years and not being allowed to play on any pitch up and down the country - is there any wonder that they dont get the crowds now. The fact is that women were bringing in bigger crowds than the men 100 years ago until the ban took place and they have tried to wipe all knowledge of this from history. I love watching g the men's football but think it's unfair to say women's football is boring and bland. I definitely support both and with time women's level of quality will grow and grow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr Lecter
Strangely agree with the Dr here.
Woman's football may well have improved but it is still a terrible standard.
Their training sessions are being shown on SSN and considering this is supposed to be the cream of the woman's game it's pretty embarrassing to watch